my name is tracey meares. i'm a law professor at yale university. before coming to yale, i spent about 15 years teaching law at the university of chicago. most of my career, for the last 20 years has been focused on looking at and understanding the dynamics of crime in urban communities. the connection between high crime neighborhoods, low income experiences, and disadvantaged. i've spent a lot of time working on those issues, developing and helping to develop violence reduction strategies in chicago and new york city and sce neck tad did i and albany and northern california and connecticut and the goal of much of this work has been about understanding ways in which to achieve public safety while encouraging public trust through pursuit of police legitimatesy which we'll be talking about today. i'm really honored to be a part of this panel and work with my fellow members on achieving this goal. thank you. >> good morning. my name is jose lopez. i'm the lead organizer of make the road new york, a new york city and new york state based group with 16,0

. >> we begin with tracey meares followed by frederic alexander. >> thank you for your testimony. i have one question for the chief and then another question for the panel as well. >> i was very struck by your testimony and i was trying to understand the resource constraint issue. [inaudible] >> i didn't quite understand the lack of resources there. >> the government has an obligation to fund the law-enforcement programs. >> so if there are not enough resources -- 's is probably a stupid question on my part, but just so i can understand. >> it was the federal agency. >> i don't know if you were here >> that appears to be a vehicular crash. you mention wearing a seat belt and mr. canterbury, you did not. in the first couple of panels we actually asked the question of what the source of resistance was to wearing seatbelts. so can you tell me what the union organization is doing in particular to help support officers wearing seatbelts? it seems that that along with encouraging officers to drive slower and do a few things could not only address a good percentage of fatalities but coul

connie rice and tracey mears following her. >> thank you, gentleman. i want to make sure i read it right and i don't think i did because three of you sounded extremely combative. and i can understand why you felt attacked but i'm wondering if you disagree with william bratton, chief charlie beck, the current chief of lapd, when both of them testified that the future was not in handcuffs and that police would have to change their mindset and their outlook if they were going to bond with these communities of color, do you disagree with that? >> i'll start with that. the answer is no. again, that's why i go back to the iacp for over 20 years has been trying to get a national commission on criminal justice to look at the entire system. we have been wanting this for a long time. we could not get anybody to sponsor it for years. we couldn't find anybody in congress that would take it forward. so, the answer is, we've seen this train coming for a while and we've been trying to be up front. and we have not been able to get people to actually take action. so th

you know, we talk a lot -- tracey meares at the table, prominent proponent of procedural justice. we need more procedural justice in police departments. there needs to be more conversation. unions came about because people would be transferred overnight because they looked the wrong way at the boss or if they find out where he lived orr she lived, they put them in the most -- a farther district. all these things were done in an arbitrary way and you understand why people feel the way they do. but it's a new day. we need each other. we're going to disagree sometimes, absolutely. we can get more accomplished together than we can at each other's throats. >> sean, i'm glad you asked the question because i didn't want to let jim pasco's question remain up in the air. so thank you, dr. wexler. i want to ask jim pasco if he wanted to weigh in on this again. >> well it's very discomforting to disagree with chuck wexler once in an afternoon, but here i am agreeing twice. >> we can keep it off the record, if you would like. >> that would be appreciated. i've got a job, too, you know. i thin