amy: that is traci blackmon speaking to us from st.ouis who was in charlottesville this weekend, i friday night addressing people in the church, and on saturday on the street. is alsor jalane schmidt with us. you are with black lives matter. you were very involved with organizing around what took place. can you tell us what happened this weekend, what you understand what was going to happen, how people organized, response but all of the authorities? jalane schmidt is just being seated right now so let me go to cornel west. i heard with the guardian reported that people that night who were responding to the torch march were actually attacked with torches, pepper spray, and lighter fluid. >> absolutely. yet a number of courageous students of all colors of the university of virginia who were protesting against the neofascists themselves. the neofascists had their own a munition. the police for the most part pulled back. the next day, for example, of 220 of us were standing, many of them clergy, we would have been crushed like cockroaches

amy: that was joined read of msnbc as traci blackmon was whisked away by an ally right there on the setreverend blackmon, what happened? >> well, i was giving the interview -- thank you for having me here. i also want to echo my condolences, my deepest sympathy to the family of heather and to the family of the lost -- law enforcement officers who also lost their lives in this unnecessary, tragic event. joy reid had invited me on her show to talk about what had happened at the church the night before. they were not aware of what was happening in charlottesville until i began to make some calls to let some people know that charlottesville was under attack. the immediately sent a team out to cover. their new steam was station inside the perimeter of the events that were happening saturday. i was asked to come to an interview. with the permission of local people on the scene, the community organizers from charlottesville, i asked them first, i was given permission to do that interview. in the midst of the interview, we began to hear pops. i did not know what they were. i still don't know wh

there's a lot of object throwing, apparently according to one of our guests, reverend tracy blackmon,ter. earlier, they used brass knuckles and bats to attack members and anti-fascist comes out to march against them and black lives matter all of whom converged on the park and spilled into the street of nearby corner near the university of virginia to try to counter this what they're calling unite the right rally. a violent rally. joining me now, senior fellow at the council on foreign relations, former media consultant for breitbart.com. and former chief white house lawyer president george w. bush, i'm going to start with you. you've been tweeting about this and pretty strong words for those out there. if you could reiterate those for the audience. >> well, this is very similar to what happened in germany in the early 1930s. this is the face of fascism in the united states. and it is directly the responsibility of this administration in the bhous. i've been a republican for 30 years but we are the party of abraham lincoln and george w. bush, ronald reagan. we are not the party of fasc

the reverend, tracy blackmon after the shooting of michael brown and she's with the church of christll with grace point church in nashville which calls itself a progressive christian community and here in new york at 30 rock with me, ceo and national director of the anti-defamation league. it is great to have you all with me and reverend blackmon, i want to start with you. i think a lot of our viewers at home will recognize your face because we saw on saturday morning just how close you were to the violence and the chaos in charlottesville. you were on with my colleague joy reid. i want to remind everybody what happened to you. take a look. >> i was invited in to give a speech to that regard, and as we were closing down -- i've got to go! i've got to go! >> i don't know what is happening here. i don't know what just happened there. >> so reverend, i know you appeared and were able to call back in to joy and give more into that interview and also insight about what was happening on the ground, but you know, and got to see first hand what the chaos, and the violence led to that day and