tracie keesee, co-founder of the center for policing equity at u.c.l.a.'s a police veteran with 25 years of service. political science professor fredrick harris of columbia university, who is the director of the university's center on african-american politics and society. and the reverend starsky wilson, pastor of saint john's united church of christ in st louis. he is also president and c.e.o. of deaconess foundation, a faith-based grant-making organization for children in the st. louis region. reverend wilson, you were at michael brown's funeral today. did it seem to you that the community is taking a deep breath? >> the community is, indeed, taking a deep breath. but we are sure that it's not for the sake of ultimate relief. it is not because we feel finally relieved it is for the sake of catching our breath to give appropriate time for mourning, lament and grief, for michael brown senior and the family. but committing with the family to work to do the long work toward building for justice, building god's love in the community for this, by seeking out

they have no vested interest or equity in the city that they serve. >> brown: well, tracie keesee, iou work with police forces around the country. are there examples where this is done better either through recruitment, reaching out to the communities to avoid this kind of tension? >> it depends on the community. if you have a good pool to draw from, there's always going to be good examples of how they engage. as i stated before, the relationship is strong and you have good trust and trance parentsy, recruitment is not hard. so it really varies. in some areas you don't have to pool to choose from, so you end up bringing in outsiders which sometimes helps and sometimes makes the situation worst, especially when you're not vested in the community like captain johnson because he's from that community. so is there one good way to do it? no. what it requires, though, are command staff and hiring civil service organizations and the community to sit down and decide what, one, does a good officer look like and how do they serve in an honorable way and have empathy for the community in which