he came up through the trade union movement. he was perceived as a strong leftist. it turns out he was a very practical person who, although maintains relationships across the political spectrum in latin america, has instituted all sorts of smart market reforms that have made brazil prosper. and so if you take the president of chile or the president of brazil and the united states has a good working relationship with them, that points the way for other countries where the democratic tradition is not as deeply embedded as we like it to be. and we can make common cause in showing those countries that, in fact, democracy, respect for property rights, respect for markets-based economies, rule of law, that all those things can, in fact, lead to greater prosperity, that that's not just a u.s. agenda, but that's a smart way to increase the prosperity of your own people. ok. hans. >> returning to the economy. when you talked to advisers and economists talked about unemployment staying at 8%. but unemployment is at 10%. do you think you need a second stimulus package? >> not