i apologize for not calling it the right time, trance africa. what was it like to meet him? >> oh, everything that was more than -- and i knew it would be anxious, and excited and dealing with -- more tremendous then i have half. a meeting with him. and just anything that is said about him, even after the meeting you just multiply it even more. the man is a great leader, but with humility, somebody who was able to bring together many many different people together. >> also being able to articulate his prince. s. his passions. but at the sate time, being able to emphasize with others. and it takes this tremendous person to do that. so everything people are saying about is really just -- it is hard to -- there's no exaggeration. >> in the united states and around the world, he meant so much to so many, talk about that. >> yeah, one of the things that -- what he showed the rest of is world, particularly also the african world, essentially the african don't innocent that they were coming out of colonization, and then you had this man that was willing to stay in prison poise peop

relied upon south africa, and thankfully nothing serious, but somebody who should not have been close to the president, the sign language trance lator were able to get will you how are the russians handling this. >> they say it's going to be secure, but one of the problems -- and this is from personal experience. they can say something is locked down, but often behind the saenz there's something that's really not locked down in the proper way. for example, just talking about it right now russia sometimes goes through a magnetometer, it looks as if everything is fine, but it's turned off. it's a figment of their imagination. they actually will turn them off because somebody either forget or didn't want to be bothered. it's very poor security. >> you have seen this? >> i have. i can tell you other stories. one of the problems is they are very -- when they begin to crack down, they become rather -- it can radicalize people by being so crude about t right now at least a phenomenon of young russians, actual russians being radicalized towards islam, believe it or not, because of this crackdown. that's another factor. so before the g