debris and maybe you can pull some of it away and evaluate hi breathing and put him in a tru traneutral positio and neck injuries are rare and they are very dangerous but very rare an besides if you're not breathing what are you? >> (inaudible). >> so what you do is move them gently, and we're not trained and what you do is move them gently and using common sense a individual and role on back and look, listen and feel and not breathing and i better open his air way and push down on the forehead and notch under here and you lift up and this will open the air way. now, this position and especially on a flat surface is a little uncomfortable and he's not going to stay in this position, so since you're nert people and you always work in teams and you always have your manual with you and two or thre manuals and slide them under hi shoulders, or you could take a shoe off and put it under the shoulders and make its so the head flops back a little bit an keeps the air way open and whil you attend to this and he's bleeding and not breathing and now he's bleeding. so direct pressure. still bleeding -- pu