is house intelligence sending mueller anybody else's transcripts transcripts? the thing to watch it turns out they actually can't. they can't until they have the intelligence committee up and running and cannot do that until they have a full list of members from the intelligence committee and so far republicans are not naming any members for the intelligence committee really by our count, republicans managed to name members for 23 different committees, everything to appropriations to veterans affairs but thus far they have not named anyone for the int intelligence committee, which means the intelligence committee cannot act at all including to send mueller the transcripts of further witnesses who may have lied to them a democratic come hmittee aid s if republicans finally get around, if republicans finally get around to naming people for the intelligence committee, if able to do that by monday, mueller could have all the transcripts from all the house intelligence witnesses by wednesday. adam schiff means it it will be their first order of business but the repu

file those charges is house intelligence sending mueller anybody else's transcripts?hing to watch here is that it turns out they actually can't. they can't until they have the intelligence committee up and running and they cannot do that until they have a full list of members for the house intelligence committee and so far, republicans are not naming any member for the intelligence committee really by our count, republicans have managed to name members for 23 different committees everything from agriculture to appropriations to veterans affairs to the joint committee on the library, but thus far they have not named anyone for the intelligence committee, which means the intelligence committee cannot act at all, including to send mueller the transcripts of further witnesses who have lied to them. a democratic aide tells us tonight if republicans finally get around to naming people for the intelligence committee, if they were able to do that by monday mueller could have all the transcripts from all the house intelligence witnesses on wednesday. schiff means it that it wi

they voted to turn that transcript over to robert mueller.ow, in mid-december, "the washington post" flagged that as a sign that muller might be moving soon to charge roger stone with making false statements in that testimony, otherwise why would he need an official transcript of stone's remarks? "the washington post" was right in that prediction today the special counsel charged roger stone with five counts of making false statements to congress which raises the question of whether or not muller has asked to look at anybody else's transcripts, right interesting question, it turns out. i can tell you that we have a single source tonight, and it is just a single source, but it is a source close to the investigation who tells us that the special counsel has viewed a number of transcripts from witnesses testifying before the senate in the russia investigation. now, again, we believe that mueller would need to formally request official transcripts from witness testimony in order to bring charges on the basis of those transcripts if witnesses lied

it's fascinating to read these transcripts just so you could hear the fbi thinking. there were too many strange and suspicious things that had piled up that it sounds like from the transcripts, they couldn't do anything but open an investigation into what was happening with then candidate donald trump. >> right. this is the problem when you are worried about a counterintelligence threat coming from the president of the united states. as those transcripts revealed, it could be that this person is acting at the behest of a foreign power. on the other hand, the things that the president is doing is within the realm of his article 2 authorities. now, we have to remember that by this point as you mentioned, there was a we willalth of evid that was looking suspicious from the call to michael flynn to russia on sanctions and trump calling for russia to hack hillary clinton's e-mails. all of that stuff is building up and then he fires james comey and says on national television that he did it for russia. so i think that you're absolutely right, alisyn, they had to look into

>> so the transcripts, it is certainly the intention of the committee to make those transcripts availablee special counsel. they have to be reviewed for any classified information that cannot be released, but that certainly is the long-term interest. i also think it's very important for the intelligence committee to be reorganized. and unfortunately kevin mccarthy and republicans are slow walking the appointment of their representatives on the committee, which is frustrating our effort to get started. >> congresswoman jackie spear of california, thank you for being here tonight. >>> we'll be right back. stay with us. here tonight >>> we'll be right back. stay with us your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. with the chase ink business unlimited card, i get unlimited 1.5% cash back. it's so simple, i don't even have to think about it. so i think about mouthfeel. i don't think about the ink card.

>> so the transcripts, it is certainly the intention of the committee to make those transcripts availablespecial counsel. they have to be reviewed for any classified information that cannot be released, but that certainly is the long-term interest. i also think that it's very important for the intelligence committee to be re-organized, and, unfortunately, kevin mccarthy and the republicans are slowwalking the appointment of their representatives on the committee, which is frustrating our effort to get started. >> congresswoman jackie speier of california, thank you so much for being here tonight, ma'am. it's nice to have you here. >> thank you. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. there's little rest for a single dad, and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm for a better am. dealing with your insurance shouldn't be more frustrating than the accident itself. that's why esurance makes it simple. just take some pics. [picture noises] go to sleep. wake up. grab a bite. maybe some racquetball. and boom - your money's on the way so you

and the official transcripts can't go to mueller until the committee votes to release those transcripts to him for that purpose. and the committee cannot take that vote until they are formally constituted as a committee, and they can't formally cute themselves as a committee until they have all their members, and they only got all their members today. having all their members as of today means they will finally be able to hold their first meeting as a committee. three business days from now in magical congressional calendar days, that means the earliest possible date at which these witness transcripts can be sent to robert mueller, just in case he wants to use them to bring more criminal charges, the earliest date mueller can get those official transcripts is next tuesday. february 5th. more than a full month after this congress was sworn in and supposedly starting its work. the delay from the republicans at least bought them another month. so we've been covering that like logistical detail in the handover of the new congress. we've been covering that pretty intensively for the last wee

so here is a portion of this transcript. that was one extreme. the other extreme was the president is completely innocent and we discussed that, too. there's a range of things this could possibly be. we need to investigate because we don't know whether, you know, the worst case scenario is possibly true or the president is totally innocent. and we need to get this thing over with so he can move forward with his agenda. interesting to hear what they were grappling with in the fbi. >> just the fact that, you know, it's along the range of possibilities that the president is, in fact, a russian asset is extraordinary in and of itself and the fact that the fbi, which is not an organization despite the attempts to sort of brand them as some kind of a partisan outfit. it's full of law enforcement professionals. the fact they took this serious enough to consider it does show you just how many unanswered questions there still remain about this president's connection to russia and to the putin regime. and if you are a republican, this has got to be a worri

they promise to share all transcripts to robert mueller. congressman schiff believes there maybe conflicts that are criminal >> i do have concerns about certainly multiple witnesses and i think bob mueller, he has been able to conduct this investigation use tools that we didn't have in our committee. he's in better position to determine who is telling the truth and who wasn't and who can i make a case against in terms of perjury. >> reporter: government source confirms the transcripts are now with the intelligence community and have been since the fall for declassification adding that mueller may have access to some transcripts through the intelligence community. >> shepard: comcoming up we'll r from the twin brother from the american accused of spying in a russia. is personal plea to president trump and mystery still surrounding his brother's arrest. that's next. oh! oh! ♪ ozempic®! ♪ (announcer) people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their

cnn has obtained transcripts, transcripts that explain white fbi opened an investigation into whether the president of the united states was working on behalf of russia against american interests. these are transcripts of closed-door congressional interviews with two fib officia fbi officials are looking into whether the president was acting at the behest of and somehow following directions somehow executing their will. they here is russia. this follows a weekend of huge headlines. the counterintelligence investigation of the president and "the washington post" report that the president went to extraordinary lengths to high details of his meetings with vladimir putin even from his own administration. the paper reports after one meeting the president even took his interpreter's notes. as far was arizona question know that's unprecedented. back at the "new york times" they have a couple sentences that put this weekend in perspective. the president of the united states was asked over the weekend whether he was a russian agent and he refused to directly answer. >>> if that's not enough dr

it does not say to have a word for word transcription. i was at a sunshine ordinance task force where one commission body actually provided that. word for word transcription and they were told to stop doing that. >> oh, ok. interesting. >> i did not hear from ms. hester what was incorrect related to the minutes of december 20. so, i'm not sure what is -- a continuance would do in an effort to provide her with the documents that she is seeking. but i would be more than happy to assist her with that. ms. hester, what exactly the >> missing? -- exactly is missing just so we know before we vote. he said that the sunshine task force said they don't want a word for word transcription -- >> and you can't even get one. i've been attempting to get one made -- >> you can't look at sfgov at the replay. it's better not to do word for word transcription when you can look at the hearing again. >> prop-k has specific requirements that you have a hearing before you act. you didn't have a hearing. it was all mushed into one. there is no separate vote. it

testify, and those transcripts are still out there and those transcripts can't go to -- >> the fun part the big point you just made, deutsche bank came out and said they are willing to talk about the shady deals that jared kushner did. one of the things, this goes back to the argument you are having all go back to devon nunez in a way. you can't credibly say was interested in the truth. he gave the trump people the false impression it could come before his committee, lie their behinds off and never get in trouble for it now that the power has flipped, and they have them on record for all of these lies to congress, that's what they're afraid of. if i'm jared kushner, i'm terrified, because i believe my boy devin nunes. hope hicks, i'm terrified. whenever they get around to staffing the committee, that's the problem. devin nunes kind of sold them a bill of goods he is not going to be able to deliver now that adam schiff is in charge. >> but it will happen eventually >> eventually. >> remember devin nunes signed off on a report way back when. feels like a lifetime ago. that the russia inve

i am just going to send you the transcripts. carol: you got the transcripts? the transcripts. and let me tell you something. we don't brag as reporters, but it is hard to get transcripts for arbitration sessions because a court case, if you and i decided to take a fun day off of work and go see court cases, you can walk in. you can walk into el chapo's case, the drug dealer. arbitration -- carol: it is private. by its nature. max: it is private. you can really think of it as more secretive, more shadowy, not necessarily all confidential, but from the outside you know much less about it. which is why the #metoo movement has emphasized arbitration. because it is a way of keeping complaints quiet. carol: up next we have a fun story, rebooting a communist sneaker. jason: and how to eat like a king even when you're not in new york or l.a. carol: this is "bloomberg businessweek." ♪ ♪ carol: welcome back to "bloomberg businessweek." i am carol massar. jason: i am jason kelly. you can also listen to us on the radio on sirius xm channel 119, also on a.m. 311 in new yor

they have a transcript supposedly by bruce ohr showing the fbi went back to christopher steele between comey firing at mueller's appointment. we also know that there was communication, bruce ohr was the conduit, if c you will, for christopher steele. and he was trying to get his information -- remember, he's been discredited. the dossier has been discredited. he was fired for lying and leaking from the fbi. but yet he is still in contact with all these top officials and trying to feed information to mueller, which we have got in the exchanges with bruce ohr. >> remember how we got here. we set up a task force, we gave a list at the end of the last congress, actually last summer, a task force was created to conduct a bunch of interviews.

p let's go through these transcripts, because you say to bruce ohr, okay, so again so the record is clear, what the department of justice and the fbi were aware of prior to the first fisa application was your relationship with christopher steele and glenn simpson, your wife's relationship with christopher steele and glenn simpson, mr. steele's bias against donald trump, your wife's compensation for work, glenn simpson and fusion gps, correct? is and then he answers you -- his lawyer gets involved and says can i have a second, and then bruce ohr answers you and says, right. so to reiterate, when i spoke

carol: you got the transcripts. >> i got the transcripts.tell you, it is hard to get transcripts for arbitration sessions. in a court case, if you and i decided to take a five day off and see court cases, you can walk in. you can walk into el chapo's case. arbitration -- carol: it is private, it's by its nature. >> it is private. it is secretive, more shadowy. not necessarily more confidential, but from the outside, you know a lot less. the me too movement has emphasize arbitration because it keeps claims quite. carol: up next, rebooting a communist sneaker. jason: and eating like a king even outside of new york and helen. l.a.nd carol: this is bloomberg: businessweek. ♪ carol: welcome back to bloomberg: businessweek. jason: you can listen to us also on the radio in new york, boston, washington, dc -- carol: in the bay area, over in london, and of course, and -- on our app. this week's business section is focused on small businesses. jason: focusing on sneakers, of course. , i'm not sure how to describe them. a classic style, a combo of a bo

president trump denies he ever followed the directions of russia, as transcripts confirm that possibility was debated within the fbi. tonight, mr. trump is lashing out amid sensational new reports on his kremlin connections. >>> the interpreter. house democrats are deciding whether to subpoena the president's translator after mr. trump reportedly has gone to great lengths to keep his talks with vladimir putin secret. what might he have been trying to hide? >>> leaving mueller alone. mr. trump's pick for attorney general says the special counsel should finish his investigation and then the results should be made public. is that giving the president second thoughts about william barr's nomination? >>> and rejected. president trump says no to a proposal by a senate ally, lindsey graham, aimed at re-opening the government. mr. trump refusing to budge even as our poll shows that most americans blame him for the longest shutdown in u.s. history. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> tonight, president trum

carol: you got the transcripts? >> i got the transcripts.ng, it is hard to get transcripts for arbitration sessions because a court case, if you end i decided to take a fun day off of work and go see court cases, you can walk in. you can walk into el chapo's case. arbitration -- carol: it is private. more is more secretive, shadowy, not necessarily all confidential, but from the outside you know much less about it. which is why the me too movement has emphasized arbitration. carol: up next, rebooting a communist sneaker. jason: and out to eat like a king even when you're not in new york or l.a.. carol: this is bloomberg businessweek. ♪ ♪ carol: welcome back to bloomberg businessweek. jason: you can also listen to us on the radio on sirius xm channel 119. 106.1 in boston. babl: and in london on digital. this week solution section is focused on small businesses. jason: specifically, very creative entrepreneurs making cider and sneakers, of course. carol: we got more from our editor. >> it is called zeha. i am not sure how to describe it, one o

transcripts from fbi officials, closed door testimony to congress. it showed the decision making process behind a counterintelligence probe of the president of the united states. a formal inquiry into the possibility that the president, president trump was, and i quote, acting at the behest of and somehow forwarding directions of russia. >> now the fbi certainly has not approved this. it's not publicly shown that to be the case. this is one extreme they were looking at here. but given the chance saturday to put this to rest to deny it, the president did not. he call the question insulting. the president is denying a report in "the washington post" that he took perhaps unprecedented measures to keep his private discussions with vladimir putin private. all of this unfolding on the 24th day of the partial government shutdown with no breakthroughs in sight. and one day before confirmation hearings for attorney general nominee william barr. barr, if confirmed will be robert mueller's new boss. let's begin with the president's thinking on russia. shimon pr

cnn has obtained transcripts from closed door congressional interviews detailing the debate within the fbi when james baker told lawmakers there were two opposing fu vieuxes. one was asking if trump when he was fired james comey was quote somehow following directions somehow executing there, that is russia's will. on the other, the other view was that trump was quoting baker, completely innocent. and as we're learning about this internal debate, "the washington post" has this incredible reporting that president trump has been hiding information on his face-to-face meetings with putin. and in fact, on one occasion, president trump reportedly even took the notes from his own interpreter. let's start with laura jarrett. she's been breaking news left and right on this one. let's talk about the fbi debate over trump. what did these reveal? >> i think the big take away is how officials at the fbi were so puzzled and concerns about the president's behavior that they felt they had no other choice u but to open this investigation. and they really d

what more do the transcripts tell us? >> these were about a half dozen or so fbi agents, personnel from the fbi, senior most level, and really what these transcripts in review of which was obtained by cnn, two officials who gave closed door congressional interviews reveal that on one end there was the idea that trump fired comey at the behest of russia and then the other was the possibility that trump was completely innocent and was acting within the bounds of his executive authority. now, james baker, as you mentioned, who is the top lawyer for james comey at the fbi at the time described thinking this way as it related to russia that that was one extreme. the other extreme was the possibility that the president was completely innocent and we discussed that too, he said. there's a range of things this could possibly be he told members of congress. we need to investigate because we don't know whether the worst case scenario is possibly true or the president is totally innocent and we need to get this thing over with and s

did you -- is this true th when you were young you actually read the nixon transcripts?ought that about? >> my parents had like a lite book shelf in the hall. when you entered the house -- it was always the strangest place to have a book she is, like, on the way out of the house. >> seth: yeah. >> a there was a large volum of the nixon transcripts and i was like, 10 or 11, and i had n, heard about nie was this crook and all that. ke, "i want to read them." and so, i would take them out and i would sit in the living room and i wou just read through the transcripts, and i found them hilarious. i thought, "this guy is so insane, you know?" st like racist and foul mouthed and i was like, "this guy was the president? this is impossle." this could never happen again. [ laughter ] >> seth: how has your trump evolved over the years? st>> i think when i first arted doing it, i likened it to th h-ward stern movie, how he started really htched when he was doing radio. >> seth: yeah. >> i feel like when i started do g trump, i was very much doing him like this. had i obviously, who'

a transcript was leaked to the "washington post."ittle bit of a political bind because i have to have mexico pay for the wall. i have to. i've been talking about it for a two year period. talking to the mexican president that he's screwed. of course mexico was never going to pay for the wall. because none of it was ever real. the president's own party who controlled congress didn't want to pay for the wall either. they could have passed the funding but they didn't because you cannot fund an applause line. now with house democrats standing in his way, he's holding the government hostage as a way to force his wall into being. >> i think that leads to what the actual drama ois tonight from the president from the oval office. if that's a what this comes from, this was birthed as an effort to get the president to remember to talk about immigration without writing on his hands, is tonight just a new stage for him to do what he's been doing as an applause line for years or are they going big like this because they're signifying something ne

>> well, mueller needs the originals of all transcripts, and he apparently hasn't even seen all transcriptsgiven the michael cohen transcript, but he needs these for purposes of presenting the raw evidence to the grand jury. and he also wants to look, i would think, at people who have been in front of that committee who may or may not have always been truthful. it will give him added leverage and could open up some other avenues for his investigation. >> not only do they have subpoena power, house democrats potentially have the numbers to impeach the president. there is a piece in the l.a. times titled 2019, will the worst year of trump's life, and it says this, will will be the worst year of donald trump's life. some presidents have really bad years. for nixon 1974, the watergate year which ended with his resignation. clinton 1998, which culminated in an impeachment trial in 1979. he won that vote easily and came out more popular than before. it's a good guess that donald trump's really bad year will be 2019. so, what do you think, is 2019 going to be the 1974 or, i don't know, maybe it wi

>> he'll see in the basement of the house intelligence committee are boxes of transcripts that have liesf witnesses who came before us, were not straightforward. some of them like roger stone had to amend their testimony over and over because of free press reporting that showed he wasn't straightforward. i hope those witnesses are held accountable and it helps bob mueller's investigation. >> congressman, thanks. >>> so we're seeing divided government play out tonight and challenges to the president have been coming all day. i want to talk about it with jeffrey toobin and columnist kirsten powers. and former republican senator rick santorum. jeff, you heard the congressman talk about the very real consequences when the intelligence committee turns over those unredacted witness testimony. do you buy that? >> yes, i think it is significant. i don't know if any of those statements will be proven to be false, but you could not bring a criminal case without the actual transcripts. so it is an indispensable -- it is a necessary but not sufficient step for mueller to bring these cases. and it's

i believe he has had access to the transcripts, but not for use in a perjury prosecution. that's what we want to make sure, that the special counsel has access to these transcripts and with use them for whatever including perjury or witness intimidation or obstruction of justice. >> you mentioned conspiracy to defraud the united states would be the last indictment robert mueller would issue. there has been some speculation that roger stone may have been the last indictment for robert mueller. he doesn't have enough evidence to charge anybody in trump's orbit with conspireing with russia. there was a lot of lying, but no direct conspiracy. what is the appropriate next step? should he just tell the attorney general no more criminal -- we have concluded there is nothing else we can prosecute. that's it? end of story? or does the public need to know more? >> it's clear that mueller's work is not yet done and we can see clues of that in the grand jury activity, in the fact that with the supreme court case of this mystery estate owned firm reaching resolution that there are addi

cnn has obtained transcripts, transcripts that explain white fbi opened an investigation into whetheragainst american interests. these are transcripts of closed-door congressional interviews with two fib officia fbi officials are looking into whether the president was acting at the behest of and somehow following directions somehow executing their will. they here is russia. this follows a weekend of huge headlines.

the soviet transcript is more complete than the state department transcript. in the soviet transcript, it reads wonderfully. wantn says you communists single party rule. and gorbachev says, there he is again, quoting phony lenin quotations. and then reagan says, look. every soviet leader from lenin down has said it. but you have not said it. maybe you don't believe it. i have noticed you don't say it. and i was thinking to myself, that is the moment where you could almost a clear that the cold war was over and gorbachev missed it. he missed the chance and there was reagan, saying it. that got lost in most talks of it. gorbachev missed the chance. there was reagan saying that. it is fascinating to see. that got lost in most of the accounts of it. >> the next topic is poland. paula: i am of ukrainian descent. rethink allve to the years of affection. apologize to you and all your ancestors. paula: we had a united front. >> the pope visits poland in 1979. for all eight years of the reagan administration, there was coordination at a minimum between the white house

i hope, now, that those transcripts are given to the mueller team and they can move quickly. maybe the president and his advisers will begin to see how serious this is. >> chuck, thank you. matt miller, good to have you, as well. thank you. congressman, this temporary deal to keep the government open, are you one of the democrats that's open to compromising with the administration are you open to fwgiving the president some of the money he wants for a physical wall along the border, if that means a permanent solution >> look, first of all, it is terrific we're beyond the government shutdown. it is clear when i talk about who the adult in the room is why it ended the way it did. one side was making sense, and one side wasn't. we need to continue to do that that means having a real commitment to border security. never shuti ishutting the gover down again. >> does the commitment include a physical wall? >> it'll include for most of us what makes sense let's agree on what a secure border really looks like, then let's fund those things. let's not have this pretend conversation any

that's when the transcripts were given. >> right, i think a lot of people thought, we have republicans in congress who are willing to run cover for me. and that was going to fall apart at some point. devin nunes can't live forever. in fact he didn't live forever as chair of oversight. roger stone was crossing his fingers, thinking, i have enough friends who will cover for me. roger stone has no friends. his m.o. has always been to have enemies and use them against one another. no one's coming to save roger stone. >> sarah sanders has said adamantly that these charges, this indictment has nothing to do with the president. is that how you see it, van? >> no, i don't. and the president's behavior lets you know that there's something wrong here. if you've ever seen a guilty person, they act just like this, they're upset about everything, looking behind every corner, change their story every 15 seconds. they're trying to acquit this person, that's how guilty people act in the 'hood, and that's how the guilty person is acting in the white house. it's that more fan anything else, he cannot st

in addition, you have a number conflict --lephone transcripts. kissinger would have a secretary listened in on the phone and take it down in shorthand, then type it out in long hand. there are tens of thousands of pages of these telecom transcripts in the national archives. it is an invaluable source. every time kissinger talked to someone, almost every time, there is a record for it. other people in the nixon administration started doing that same type of practice. ,hen you get to the ford years after nick's and resigned the presidency, a lot of that stuff disappears. you can add to that the foreign relations volumes which exist for the earlier timeframe, as well. they hadn't come out when i was doing my initial research but they came out afterwards. for the ford years, they are the preeminent source that takes everything from the u.s. side, but unfortunately there are no russian records of equivalent value. there is no soviet-american entetions, that -- the det years, two point oh. a lot more is left open for interpretation. you don't have that

cnn obtained transcripts of closed door congressional interviews with top fbi officials. the documents reveal a half dozen agents decided whether to open an investigation into the president. james comey said he did it at the direction of the kremlin. that was one extreme, james baker told congressional lawyers last year. the other pocket is tssibility president is completely innocent. as to whether the president was working knowingly or unknowingly with russia, he said, i don't know. kaitlan, i'm sure you freaked out when he said he wasn't going to nashville. what does the white house think about this moment? >> reporter: they're furious about it. you saw that reflected in the statements they issued this weekend after that flurry of questions came out. clearly the president is bothered by it, too, because not only did he deny working with russia, he said the question was absurd. the reporter only asked the question because of the series of questions over the weekend. apparently there was a counterintelligence question that the president was saying things beneficial to rus

for example the transcripts of the people testifying behind closed doors and before the committees, andeople like jared kushner and donald trump jr., and there is transcripts of the testimony, and so they will share it with robert mueller to determine if they were lying, and there is an interesting line in the michael cohen sentencing memo that he provided information about how he circulated false information about the meeting with a trump tower meeting and he lied about it, and also that his testimony is consistent with the testimony of others. if i were a member of mueller's team, i would want to see the transcri transcripts to see if the people were telling the lie, and not only the consider for prosecuting them for false statements, but to get past the bigger picture of why were they lying and trying to cover-up. >> and briefly, barbara, and what about what nancy pelosi and others have said that it is an open question about the justice department guidance of whether indicting a sitting president is binding? >> well, it is an open question, and everyone would agree with that, that it

democrats vowed they would officially provide mueller with more than 50 witness interview transcriptsat republicans voted down in september when they were in majority. democratic members said they had reason to believe certain witnesses lied. something that's already led mueller to bring charges against trump allies. investigators might be able to move quickly since it's likely muellerer and his team already had access to the committee's transcripts two sources familiar with the matter tells nbc news. back in december the intelligence committee agreed to release roger stone's transcript. >> undocumented worker who worked for president trump's golf club new jersey is going to attend next week's stein. "the washington post" was first to report that victoria morales who publicly disclosed her immigration status was invited by bonnie watson-coleman. her office and morales' attorney confirmed her plans to attends. in december morales told the "new york times" she had been working for trump's golf club for more than five years illegally. this as the trump organization faces criticism, of co

how does he take it up because not all conversations of leaders of his with other leaders is transcripts or actually. recorded so therefore it's quite possible that you could say it's very strange to him and he said basically mr putin which are private possibly should remain private but for the point of view of the back of government all they can say is that trump what is president he is president and he is every right to conduct a conversation with another president believe it and it's up to them to decide what they're going to do and each one will be attempting to achieve maximum advantage for his side slip a trump in talking to putin who tried to say to the american public look i have a very strong leader who will get a concession from putin put in will to say to russia people look i'm a very strong leader and therefore i here and i'll do the best job and should follow every supports me to crush the very good president i can get the best leaders are to put on america and any other president for both sides want. from trump point of view of course. one thing one. couple was very safe fr

his innings to russia a report in the washington post says trump made sure there was no written transcript of his official meetings with his russian counterpart that damaged person and even want to interpret it to keep quiet as in jordan has more from washington. u.s. president doll trump has met five times with russian president vladimir putin according to the washington post there are almost no official notes of what the two men discussed at least on the american side that's because trump reportedly didn't want anything written down in one case the post says trump took his interpreters notes and warned her not to repeat anything she heard the u.s. president fox news on saturday night to respond why not release the conversation that you had with president putin in helsinki along with some other stuff that might involve the broom sore and the whole lot of them well junaid i would i don't care i mean i had a conversation like every president does you sit with the president to various countries i do it with all countries we had a great conversation we were talking about israel and securing i

i have knot read the transcripts. know if that's true or not but obviously it's very alarming if it's true that think were already trying to get him to go back to steele and get him to come back after they plan to was normalitied and phi lie. we need to know more about this which is why these transcripts have from all these interviews need to be released. >> sean: we have got to hope the new attorney general gets into this deeply. >> a. agree with you. >> sean: congressman nunes, thank you very much. joining us now with much more south carolina senator lindsey graham is with us. he was, of course, leading these hearings with william barr today. senator, good to see you. >> thank you, sean. thank you very much. >> sean: your thoughts on the hearings. let's start there. and will bill barr do the things that jeff sessions did not do and that the deep state, that's hillary clinton, and all the people we mentioned earlier? >> yeah. i believe so. i have seen no evidence collusion between the trump campaign and russians butt

so you're left reading transcripts. telling you, chris, when you read the transcripts of what president trump is saying, it makes no sense. i have felt for the past three years that he has been completely incoherent. and the battle that we normally see in politics between republicans and democrats is really been a three-year battle between donald trump and reality. and he is not living in the same objective reality as the rest of us, and that is concerning when you're dealing with serious public policy. while it's humorous, it's also serious and it could be dangerous. >> it just doesn't scan. it needs to be edited. it literally does not scan. but to zerlina's point, there are also tangible consequences. right now ostensibly the government is shut down over a wall although it's not a wall, it's border security, but it's not concrete, it's steel. there is no coherence inside his mind. we don't know what the government's shut down over. >> well, yeah. no, look, i think, and again, there is really no way to know for sure. h

the question i would have if i were a democrat moving into congress whether it's those transcripts orther it's the budget your going to look back and tell the american people are job is to fight. your going to look forward and say this is what we do for america. do they trust the mueller investigation? in that case we'll slow down the mueller investigation. or i need a spa day already and sit there and say we'll fight as long as this day goes on we'll fight the president instead of saying we know what the solution is. we have to give a little, they have to give a little. >> mueller asked for these official transcripts. >> it's a good thing. even though the government is shutdown, mueller is funded under separate appropriations. somebody should be working. if the person overseeing if there was collusion and somebody hurting our democracy. if congress can help with that, so be it. >> this is only just beginning. we thought 2018 was a lively year, as far as the news business is concerned. i think it's fair to say and i've been saying it for a while -- >> we ain't seen nothing yet. >> we'

they didn't give us the full transcript, we got the printed transcript. she said there's nothing about the republican etiology that is about wealth building or prosperity for the working class. okay, now, that's really interesting, in the washington post, because the washington post just published a piece in september talking about how blue collar wages, the wage increases under trump, the jobs boom has finally reached blew collar workers, will it last? thank god we're finally seeing wages go up. wall street doesn't like that. it's good for regular people, african americans, latinos, all going up >>> african americans, latinos, white people, everybody has lower skill wages, there are more people who are poor who are considered white. >> laura: are you not saying -- monique, that wages are going up, are you actually disagreeing with the journal and bloomberg and washington post >>> i'm trying to explain. wages increasing is not the same as wealth building, is it? >>> yes it is. >> laura: how do you save money? >>> if i go from renting to owning -- that's w

all of a sudden robert myouuell will have transcripts withheld from investigators for months. >> andt charged to date have been lying type of charges. they're not easy to prove but it's a pretty clean charge if you can get it. if they get ahold of these transcripts and find out those were lies told to congress those are clean charges and interesting in seeing them. >> they will have their testimony and match it up to what was said in congress, that could happen pretty quickly. >> jerome corsi, what happened to him? >> this is one of those trails that went cold in this flurry of activity in november-december. jerome corsi, conspiracy theorist with roger stone potentially tied to wikileaks and julian assange, mixed up in the question whether the trump campaign had early or possible knowledge or coordination about the release of stolen e-mails by wikileaks of democratic officials. he had this plea agreement under way with robert mueller and blew up and released the plea agreement in november. we saw this flurry of activity around julian assange as well in early november and december and

. >>> then democrats say they will make transcripts available to robert mueller, but what about the public? i'll ask the congressman. plus elizabeth warren kicks off 2020 in iowa. >> i think what our 2020 issue will be is how we talk about what we stand for. >> why what's happening on the ground is different than what you're hearing. >>> and the aoc effect. >> the only way we are going to get out of this situation is by choosing to be courageous. >> how a new generation of democrats is fundamentally changing the policy debate. >> there was a time in this country where the top marginal tax rate was over 90%. >> "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. day 17 of the government shutdown. the president is just stuck in a corner he's painted himself into as we've watched and he doesn't know what he wants. in fact, here is the thing. no one knows what the government is being shut down over. by this, here is what i mean. we know the money, they want $5.6 billion for depending on which day it is the wall, steel slats or border security generally. here is the actua

you could look up prior presidents transcripts with conversations with world leaders like this. the clinton meetings with yeltsin in the 1990s have been declassified and you can read detailed transcripts of everything they talked about and i'm not sure we'll have records like that out of this -- this administration or this president. >> at the dinner at g-20 after the president met with putin and he walked over to the empty chair and talks to him somewhere shy of an hour. ian bremer said the most unusual thing is that he didn't tell any advisers about it afterwards. does that scan with what you reported. >> that is consistent with how he's carried himself and the white house didn't reveal that that conversation had taken place i think more than ten days afterward. and this is what we say in the story that we published this weekend. this is a -- this is not just a one-off thing, this is a pattern with this president of going to significant lengths to conceal details about his conversations, his meeting with the russian leader. >> has the white house denied this reporting? >> no.

i read the story in me times, i have not read all the transcripts.on't know if that is true or not. but obviously, it's very alarming. if it is true, that in that time, they were already trying to t go back to christopher stee and get him to come back after they knew he was terminated for lying and misleading the fbi, very, very concerning, and i think we need to know more about this, which is why these transcripts from all these interviews need to be released. we got to hope that the newew attorney general gets into this deeply. congressman, thank you very much. joining us now with much more, south carolina senator lindsey graham is with us. he was of course leading the hearings with william pryor today.ea senator, good to see you. >> thank you, sean. >> sean: your thoughts on the hearings, let's start there. will bill bar to barr do the things that james comey did not do? >>nc i believe so.ll i've seen no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign in russia, but i've seen a lot of corruption in the department of justice and the fbi. i have ev