this is the transitional council now.hey are pretty high-powered law firm advising the transitional council among other things, where to find the wealth and how to get their hands on it. so i think we are going the see private investigators hired by the law firm and others trying to track down the money and sometimes these can be successful. >> michael, just to update everybody in tripoli, libya, where we are watching the black smoke continuing to billow into the sky. this is coming from the gadhafi compound in tripoli, basically a military barracks where he's resided for decades now, but rebels breached the western wall there. and we are hearing they were able to go in and fighters have put up some resistance, little to none now, roughly after an hour of the fighting that's been going on there. our reporter richard engel is not seeing or hearing much of the gunfire continuing. however, there has been celebratory gunfire going on in the streets. richard was also telling us how there was word of mouth traveling on the stre

and the personalities of the transitional national council hold -- can the personalities of the transitional national council hold the country together? >> unfortunately, this opposition movement has been tenuous from the beginning. i doubt that it will hold the country together without major violence. we should not forget that the country is virtually divided between east and west. for the first time in more than 40 years, the easterners control the country again. it might be that they will take revenge on the citizens, not only of tripoli, but of other cities in the west, especially in places where gaddafi comes from, and his family and main supporters. >> what about the chances that a copy might have military forces at his command -- that gaddafi might have military forces at his command? >> gaddafi is finished, but there are still loyalists in the city fighting the rebels. they will die down in the coming days. they know that the battle is now lost. >> is there any antiwar muammar gaddafi is? -- are there any reports of where muammar gaddafi is? >> i think he is still in libya, but it mi

said he is on his way out he's recently just been on the phone to the leader of the national transitional council mustapha. stressing the need for a smooth peaceful and as quick as possible transition to this new democratic leadership he said that the future of the libyan people has to be in their own hands but at the same time as all of that he did say that nato forces mandate for being in the country expires in just one month it will stay there for as long as it takes so quite an open ended response to that question and also clearly he's willing for it to take is as long as it possible and longer than is desired so there is some uncertainty tempering the jubilation around the rebels presence in tripoli the other uncertainty is over the question of the frozen assets britain has said it's prepared to release them but there are for the building a new infrastructure in the country and stabilizing it but there is some uncertainty as who those will go to and how they'll be used also uncertainty around the e.u. sanctions a spokesperson for the e.u. foreign affairs committee has said for the time being

later today monday france says that the transitional council will need help as it moves forward now as it plans its future it added the libya is a potentially prosperous country but it needs assistance from the west to come through with those plans ok so we get some reaction there from french authorities but daniel what about what's being said by the e.u. and by nato that you know. yes in brussels the you were representatives have said that as the united states seems to be taking a back seat in these negotiations they see an opportunity to fill that vacuum you admitted that hard work lies ahead and the divisions between the rebel factions means that it will be a difficult time because when there was a single enemy it was very easy for various factions some with very different interests to bond together and now there are fears that this may collapse and there may be a power vacuum france in fact claimed that the mission in libya is over now defense experts here in the european union all concerned by such statements because with the absence of gadhafi in any sort of real power str

this week, they recognize the transitional council. the president of bond -- president of called for the ouster of gadhafi and recognize the transitional council. there's a bit of that threat the council. >> the libyan relations will need relations -- notably algeria, which was supportive of khaddafi. we will see what happens there. we're going to open up now to questions from the audience. we have microphones. speak your questions to the microphone and identify yourself. keep your questions brief and direct them to one of the panelists. >> do you know what rebels, leaders, want to be leaders and how people can trust them? why do you think western nations have all the answers for the middle east problems, including libya? thank you. >> would you like to address that question? >> i have a gut feeling we have not seen the emergence of real leadership in libya yet. i do not think, but this is my personal opinion, that all of those kids and young people who fought in the streets, left their houses, who have seen their brothers and friends

national transitional council is trying to negotiate peaceful surrender so that further bloodshed can be avoided. >> if it does come to a battle, it will be a bloody one. the locals are loyal to gaddafi, so we would be compelled to use weapons against them. >> but the anti-gaddafi forces have been weakened. umbels of blended -- numbers have dwindled as many still in the capital, tripoli. the situation is still arduous for many people. there is a shortage of food and drinking water here power cuts have become the norm. banks have reopened and increasing numbers of police officers are back on the beach. many of the young rebel fighters are considering returning to normal life. >> we will hand over our weapons and go back to work. the best part is that we have achieved something and that we will have a new life after our victory. >> so although the practicality of everyday life is tough for many here, they still favor the ousting of gaddafi. >> we will have more of the fighting in libya later in the show, and we will also take a look at the people leading the struggle for change. the suc

transitional council. standing next to the leader of it was of taking away the french people's minds from the austerity cuts the corporate media loves to call libya. transitional council now calling for him. to be captured dead or alive is not about free this is exactly one of the idealistic. again without thinking again with reporters in the field morris imbedded with the rebels cheering the rebels on the understanding saying what people said of the armed services committee in the united states is. now in the what we have here is the possibility of terror attacks around the world because yet again support for a ragtag band of different forces different types of people supposedly in an idea some kind of idea that liberation will follow. talking about eleven rebels now control colonel gadhafi is fortress in central tripoli but violent clashes continue throughout the capital however the u.s. defense department says it has another concern the security of sites in libya known to contain stockpiles of chemical

first of throw all their support behind the legion national transitional council giving them billions of dollars and weapons to gain control but the rebels are far from being a united group what the newbie is going to face after that is a period of prolonged chaos nobody knows the outcome this is as i said in the beginning this is trying to construct this is not democracy against the taliban revolutions in egyptian leave you have developed under a different scenario in egypt it was an uprising the new leader in libya is really an insurgency whose brackman by the west then those weapons are still in their arms and they're not going anywhere and many analysts are saying that libya's could find themselves in a much worse situation than the egyptians because on top of power crisis similar to the wanted gyptian or having to leave you could be facing a fresh outbreak of violence that they and believe on tomorrow i'm going to shut down reporting from washington archie there are various comparisons being made with what's happening in libya with what happened in panama back in one thousand eig

it is something they've said at the head of the transitional council that he was in custody. there hasn't so far been any sort of reaction to this from the leadership of the transitional national council. they haven't seechb told us that they know he was ever in custody or whether they simply went ahead and said something that they had no confirmation of in the first place. i wouldn't say that it reverses momentum or anything or decreases their momentum. it is something that stunned a lot of people. of course, charles, it comes at the same time that we've also learned that mohammed gadhafi was apparently in rebel custody in tripoli under house arrest, also managed to escape where he said he was in hijacked, that the forces hijacked that compound got mohammed gadhafi out of there. we're seeing saif gadhafi in tripoli again. certainly, this is something that's stunning to people but it's not something that their momentum has in any way been slowed down. >> obviously, the issue of credibility. you've spent a while in benghazi looking very carefully at the rebel leadership. on the

indicated by the different colors you see on the map. >> world leaders are urging the national transitional council to pursue a peaceful evolution to democracy but that won't be easy. the council is far from united. the shaky coalition includes former regime officials, nationalists, secularists and islamists. 138 tribes, when moammar gadhafi came into power in 1969 he broke up the power bases of libya's most influential tribes. land and influence were redistributed to more dependable tribes. but tribal loyalties persisted in the absence of organized political groups. eastern libya, where the rebellion began has long been at odds with the west, gadhafi's power base. so western tribes may not support a movement that was actually sparked in the east. >>> if gadhafi is ousted, libya's national transitional council will have the task of bringing democracy to the country which will entail dozens of tribes working together. we explain why that's no easy job. >> libya has a lot of tribes. more than 140 of them, in fact. we want to talk about the most powerful. jim clancy knows. why don't you kick it off. >

the best thing for us or an escort the international community has to put pressure on the transitional council to stop them transition there was a young man right now right. actually telling me do not take you know it's for his safety and i perfectly understand. why. you need a way out you're saying you're saying if you are saying a few hours ago that you did have some gunfire in the libyan capital that we're getting reports of all. or new to the last assault on the libyan capital have you have you heard just random gunfire or perhaps if you heard any more nato bombing what else do you know about how cool could be happening now the libyan capital i've heard. what could be a bunker buster which means there's still resistance you obviously need is not going to bomb it's the regime collapse and nato has gone which logically equates to resistance. tripoli and he's going to kill people and you said he said. he said. he said. they're here on the outskirts of the city and. this has to be verified i'm telling you what i've heard ok we understand we understand that they decided to call it a sort of at

ask for help to be bandaged up we i implore the international community not to let the transitional council answer this so if you're to complain or pursue the soldiers in here at all sometimes i want to talk to you saying that there are rebel fighters that are seeking refuge and medical assistance in your hotel. there are there are. loyal lists the young men some looks like soldiers some are don't have uniforms is very common tears are still just coming here one in seeking you got shot in the leg saying the fight is still strong in tripoli we heard gunfighting several hours ago are fighting outside getting closer we don't want them to storm in there would be catastrophic and these are not disciplined as everybody knows they're not disciplined forces and. we have a wider people here from all over the world from the united states peoples republic of china france and myself from canada. and we really need this could be very very bad situation we also have a u.s. congressman you're with us as well and he's going to be on a priority flight and while the rest from what i hear you might get a prio

business actually was agreed to by the transitional council even transitional council they need two countries especially britain france we don't know yet but definitely that need to is looking for a price and the libyan future government should pay and will pay a very heavy price for nato as it is not. thirty seven no definitely there is something behind that. i suspect that nato would like to have military bases and. i suspect that you know british and french companies looking for exploration contacts abdel-bari atwan thank you very much. as you know song was sixteen years old when he committed these murders that's not inside the song so it should not be punished for his crimes song is being punished no rational person can deny that sean has been punished is being punished and will be punished. by sours must be executed for the brutal crime he committed this is punishment this is not. to mention. that it's. causing. any mercy on you whatsoever. on. didn't come to justice. can her mercy. this time or this man. my wife. and my fantasy land. mission. critical you should treat in store charges t

is in the lead there having recognized the national transitional council in july of this year so that of course the great danger is either we have a continuing civil war or we have what the libyan people think of as the puppet american regime designed to protect access to the forty one billion dollars of barrels of oil that everybody knows exists and libya i think it's important to point out that this national transitional council is made up of so many different factions of course ideally in a good world they'd all be working together for the same pursuits but these are fighting all rebels these are people who have a lot more weapons and they probably used to have nato of course a long record of pursuing political goals with military means you spoke a little bit about this possibility of a western backed government one of about you know taken a step further i mean what's the likelihood that what we see next very much and by you know the western way from economic and military agendas put in place there well that is clearly the intention of the obama administration and of the can of the

as the rebels try to consolidate their military gains in tripoli, the opposition national transitional council in benghazi is trying to activate plans for a political transition. first priority, security. >> because we don't need any more civilian life lost in libya. >> reporter: u.s. officials say they're encouraged by reports that the rebels have set up checkpoints around public buildings to promote public safety. tripoli does not look like baghdad looked after the fall of saddam hussein with widespread looting, assistant sect tear feltman says. next step an interim authority. >> the transitional national council would broaden, become an interim government that would represent a broad cross-section of libyans from different walks of life, nimpb parts of the country, different political backgrounds. >> reporter: tribal loyalties, control over oil revenues and libyan government assets including $30 billion worth frozen by the u.s. could cause rifts in the opposition. a former undersecretary of state warns things could turn ugly. >> i think we're going to have to expect to see a slow transition

business actually was agreed to by the transitional council transitional council they need two companies especially britain france we don't know yet but definitely that me too is looking for a price and the libyan future government should pay and will pay a very heavy price for it is not. a free service no definitely there is something behind that. i suspect the need to would like to have military bases in libya i suspect that you know british and french company is looking for exploration contracts the presence of nato in libya is looking more and more like an open ended commitment david cameron has said that it's nature forces will stay for as long as civilians need protecting today that's the kind of in parry list logic now you know after the removal of beverage if this happened could happen soon why the need to should continue its presence in that part of it you know if combat feet leaves with his interact his government collapses or for it to collapse i believe we should leave that libyan people alone to be with them and their future without any foreign intervention but if we are goi

speak freely, demonstrate freely, and freedom is in their grasp. >> do you think the national transitional council is ready, is in a position to take over, for some kind of coherent government? >> i support the transitional -- the national transitional council. i mean, they have plans for -- security plans in place. i have faith in them. i do know the libyan people support them. they are our government. >> they have quite a specific blueprint that talks about there not being a security vacuum, that there will not be a power vacuum. you feel confident that they can deliver? >> i do feel confident that they will deliver. i mean, they have done great things so far. we have seen countries all over the world recognize them. and like i said, i have faith in them. i think they will deliver. >> jane, a law student speaking to us from benghazi. thank you. >> on the bbc live from singapore and london, still to come, the caribbean council -- now u.s. authorities from north carolina to new york prepare for the worst from irene. what makes the apple -- we assess the future of the world's tallest company. let's

power to host the head of libya's transitional national council nicolas sarkozy said that he and nato will continue to supply military equipment to the rebels as long as they need it no he didn't mention the un resolution authorizing intervention in libya which many think actually expressly rules out military supplies to libya in the rebel leader. said that he sees a driving force in the nato campaign against gadhafi troops the french and british have invited libya's government to a meeting on september the first with e.u. leaders that they will meet quote not military allies but friends but the british prime minister's office has also released a statement saying that the meeting will help to build a free and democratic libya during wednesday's meeting sarkozy also cuts france's economic growth for costs and announced eleven billion dollars in. measures the french president being accused of trying to bury this very news in the euphoria of war victory but they're all signs that the war isn't producing the results because they wanted more in this report. was the first power to recognize

members of the national transitional council are on their way to tripoli to begin forming an interim government. despite the rebels' victorious claims, a pro-gaddafi television station has broadcast what it said was a live television interview with a spokesperson, mr. ibrahim. he threatened to turn libya into a burning volcano. >> they want to destroy libya. they have already destroyed electricity, water, houses, schools. they want to destroy libya on a platter of gold to the foreign company so that the structure will come to libya to rebuild again all these services. and they will have a piece of the big cake. but in fact, it is not a piece of cake. it will be a bump that will -- bomb that will explode in their faces. it will be for the first time -- the survival of 1,000 tribes who have gathered together now and those tribes surrounding tripoli, the volunteers will move now to tripoli and these people will fight and tripoli will be filled with people from the tribe to confront them. and i don't think that the rebels will stand. they want to help them interfere with their actions al

they are trying to keep this transitional national council on track and united. t secretary of state has been in benghazi meeting with the transitional national council. trying to help them stay together as gadhafi's regime crumbles. >> gregg: i want to read jennifer griffin, the associated press reporting, we mentioned this before, we are getting further details. senior rebel officials saying the military unit that was in charge of protecting and guarding gadhafi and the capital of tripoli, has surrendered. when the unit dropped its arms, it opened the way for the rebels to end the city with little or no resistance. the question this hour is, where is colonel gadhafi? the bbc says he fled to algeria. as we pointed out, the colonel is wanted for crimes against humanny by the international criminal court. algeria may have been selected by him for the following reason: they were a signatory to the icc but never ratified it, so they don't have to hand him over to the haig, facing the death penalty. >> heather: he was on the phone a short time ago speaking to the liby

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certainly i think it would be foolish to hand that sum of money over to a transitional council which has yet to demonstrate that it has the support of the majority of the country and and even by their own standards even at recent meetings obviously true or libya's very much divided along tribal and since you know end of the dozens and dozens of different tribes represented in the in libya only only less than half of them actually claim to be in support of the true transitional council so so there's a deep divisions going on in libya right now and i think it would be very foolhardy to release those types of funds to a transitional government which so far has really only demonstrated its interest in securing boyle contracts with foreign and western companies. meantime the leader of libya's national transitional council and gibril has begun a tour of europe to secure funds for his new government will meet with french president nicolas sarkozy in paris and daniel based on reports from france there's much more than just democracy on the table. fraud spills local was the first power to rec

i'd also like point out that two months ago chad and i was released from a meeting with the transitional council there is an opposition figures as well as advisors who said that the nato goal in tripoli is to create created an implosion so this is what they're going for must most the world might not know that nato is deliberately targeted the electricity infrastructure in libya and they're trying to create blackouts in tripoli and the districts around tripoli and have been using this for culbert terrorist attacks in the city we're hearing according to this plan that they're also trying to spark and we could ask the mood in tripoli are you hearing or seeing any signs of that there no not at all that the population gathered around moammar gadhafi as the leader of this country it actually did transitional council which even danger of being ousted by the libyan cities and in the internet aca is typically benghazi brooke and donna there has been riots against they have been movements against them and nato is militarily intervene to stop this because militarily intervene to stop the libyan state it is

and that means effectively that the transitional council is starting almost from scratch.carefully bit by bit and the institutions of a modern state. having to do so while also making sure that some of the bloodletting doesn't get out of hand. that all the other challenges that modern states face can be met. and at the same time, it will also have to guard that as oil money comes back into the country, that that isn't used again the way gadhafi used it to very carefully develop a system of patronage that effectively allowed him to divide and rule the country for 42 years. >> nick, scale of 1 to 10, how -- i know you're very 10 hopeful, but how realistic is it to believe that they can pull this off anytime, you know, soon, what, a year, two years, three years? it's going to take a long time, but there's so much doubt i think now when what comes next phase happens. >> well, i agree very much with professor vandewalle, we'll only see gradual, fitful progress, if there is to be progress, in building a modern state. in building a state that's more-free, that's more democratic.

intervene to stop the libyan state it seems in the east from overthrowing the yoke of the transitional council which is clearly a nato proxy in libya. western countries are talking about democracy and the right of the libyan people to choose their own leaders in light of this leak that we're talking about do you think we'll ever see that kind of rhetoric become a reality for the libyan people well number one it's rhetoric it's never going to become a reality needle and the people in the transitional council individuals who are talking about regime change for several years they get what we need or an american leader to be voted out and you can get all of europe from him beating in different human rights and we're going to say that it shouldn't be an organization where we talk about our government here and divide it leave you. your favorite thing it. can be controlled. by the united states and he i also want. to give prime minister of italy. the british probably ended here and did it. all the bombing campaign trip we are actually to get the population galba night to galvanize the population to o

nigeria took a middle position and this week recognize the transitional council, and gabon, its president, a few months ago, call for the ouster of gaddafi and last week recognized the council. there is a bit of a variety in the african response. >> the libyan relations with arab countries are going to need resets as well, notably algeria. we will see what will happen there. we are going to open it up now to questions from the audience. if you have a question, please put your hand up. i will recognize you. we have microphones. i would like you speak your questions and keep your questions brief and director questions to one of the panelists. >> i am a member of the atlantic council. my question would be, do you know what arab leaders are the defectors, and how people can trust? one that libyan citizen asked, why does the western countries had the answers to all of libyans problems? >> i have a gut feeling that we have not seen the emergence of the real leadership of the viet yet. -- of libya yet. all those young people who fought in the streets, left at their houses, who had seen their fri

the national transitional council is watching closely. they hope to send officials to tripoli on wednesday. to begin the process of establishing a new government. our correspondent is in the rebel stronghold of benghazi and sent this report. >> they are students, businessmen, teachers, most holding a gun for the first time. they rose up with no outside help. they would have been crushed but for nato's help. now the rebels stand on the brink of victory. already recognized by many as litter -- libya's legitimate government. the rebels national transitional council is a mix of factions. with little more in common than dislike of colonel gaddafi. it is an uneasy coalition between the east and west of the country, islamist and secular, former members of the regime, and longstanding exiles. >> that is a potpourri of different ideas and ideologies. if they work within the same framework, that is a constitution, then everybody has their own thoughts and see what they thing. >> the country's next leader could be mustaffa jaleel. he is seen as havi

the national transition council is working to launch a transitional government and asking for international assistance. >>> while battles continue in the libyan capitol of tripoli the oil-rich city has lost its luster. ucido futori has this report. >> reporter: the economic boom with its oil money. but now one of the largest cities in north africa is almost like a ghost town. sporadic clashes continue, but there is hardly anybody walking the street. i don't see any stores open for business. this morning, i went to green square in the center of the city. the square is a symbolic place for gadhafi loyalists where they gather every day. scorched cars lay abandoned here. empty gun cartridges litter the ground. residents were sweeping up. a gadhafi portrait above the square once looked down on everybody below. but it has since been removed. checkpoints are a new addition across all the city streets. as the colonel and soldiers loyal to him are still on the run, militia supporting the transitional national counl are searching each passing car. and the city is now quiet, tensions remain here. ther

the national transitional council so is he washing his hands of it well he did say he wants them he wants to see gadhafi held to account and put on trial but at the same time he did say that he will be in the hands of the rebels so slightly ambiguous response so that somehow minister cameron saying that the fate of gadhafi is in the hands of the rebels but it's interesting how the u.n. mandate the resolution one nine seven three on libya expires next month and here's the british prime minister saying this is an open ended mission so tell us what are the other e.u. states having to say on this issue. britain france germany and italy of all backed up britain's claim that this is the end the beginning of the end they're all heralding it is a new beginning but it's not over yet i mean there's still twenty five approximately twenty percent of tripoli's under the control of the forces that's according to the rebels themselves and despite all that the e.u. is already saying it's got the wheels in motion of that plan and so there is already. the transition it was so cool to transition in process

we i implore the international community not to wreck the transitional council answers so if you are to comply or pursue the soldiers in here at all we heard gunfighting several hours ago air gun fighting outside getting closer we don't want them to storm in your hair would be catastrophic and these are not disciplined as everybody knows they're not disciplined forces. we have a wider people here from all over the world from the united states to the people's republic of china to france and myself from canada. and we would be very very bad situation we also have a u.s. congressman you're with us as well and he's going to be on a priority flight and while the rest from what i hear and might get a priority for i doubt if you're going back to ation. four or five other people while the rest of us not wait. i think the international community really needs to . call an effort to get us out of here to the united nations and it has something to do outside of need oh well i don't know if. i can get used to chairs ladders. projectors. in the rooms they still computers they went through a rooms

certainly i think it would be foolish to hand that sum of money over to a transitional council which has yet to demonstrate that it has the support of the vast majority of the country and and even by their own standards even at recent meetings obviously true libya's very much divided along tribal lines as you know and of the dozens and dozens of different tribes represented in the in libya only only less than half of them actually claim to be in support of the true transitional council so so there's a deep divisions going on in libya right now and i think it would be very foolhardy to release those types of funds to a transitional government which so far has really only demonstrated its interest in securing contracts with foreign and western companies. now the future of libya now appears to hinge on the capacity of the transitional council to establish law and order to discuss whether they're up to the job i'm joined by scott bates vice president of the center for national policy thank you for joining us today so the united states and nato went to great lengths to avoid getting invol

meanwhile, a national transitional council which consists of opposition leaders is taking steps to launch a new government. the council plans to transfer its base from the northeastern city of benghazi and set up a provisional government in tripoli. a senior member of the council mom mud ja bril has stressed the need to rebuild libya. the council will meet with the u.s. and european and arab nations in qatar on wednesday and ask them for financial assistance. it will also ask for cooperation in rebuilding the country from other nations at a conference to be held in turkey on thursday. >>> the u.s. government has announced plans to release up to $1.5 billion in frozen libyan assets t transitional national council within days. >> we want to give this money back to the tnc for its use, first and foremost, to meet humanitarian needs and to help it establish a secure, stable government and to move on to the next step in its own roadmap. >> the announcement came after u.s. president barack obama spoke by telephone with french president nicolas sarkozy. they agreed to work with the international

we're seeking to free of these funds and we're working with the transitional national council. there is a need -- a meeting to in doha. there will get a better sense of their needs going forward. there is a road map towards democratic transition. >> international law makes this looks like a speeded up process. >> we have been working at it for the past couple of weeks. we're trying to accelerate the process within the committee. if that does not work we will get other methods as well. >> i have to ask you, do you know where gaddafi as? the white house thinks they are -- he is in tripoli. >> it is a situation on the ground. what is clear is he needs to relinquish power and step aside and allow democratic transition to take place. that is in the needs of the people and they deserve it. >> thanks for rbs. >> thank you. >> you're watching "bbc world news america". we look forward to what the country holds. libyas rebel leaders are seeking $2.50 billion to put the country back on its feet. >> libya's new rulers, whoever they may become urgently need cash to kick start construction in