we're seeking to free of these funds and we're working with the transitional national council. there is a need -- a meeting to in doha. there will get a better sense of their needs going forward. there is a road map towards democratic transition. >> international law makes this looks like a speeded up process. >> we have been working at it for the past couple of weeks. we're trying to accelerate the process within the committee. if that does not work we will get other methods as well. >> i have to ask you, do you know where gaddafi as? the white house thinks they are -- he is in tripoli. >> it is a situation on the ground. what is clear is he needs to relinquish power and step aside and allow democratic transition to take place. that is in the needs of the people and they deserve it. >> thanks for rbs. >> thank you. >> you're watching "bbc world news america". we look forward to what the country holds. libyas rebel leaders are seeking $2.50 billion to put the country back on its feet. >> libya's new rulers, whoever they may become urgently need cash to kick start construction in

and the personalities of the transitional national council hold -- can the personalities of the transitional national council hold the country together? >> unfortunately, this opposition movement has been tenuous from the beginning. i doubt that it will hold the country together without major violence. we should not forget that the country is virtually divided between east and west. for the first time in more than 40 years, the easterners control the country again. it might be that they will take revenge on the citizens, not only of tripoli, but of other cities in the west, especially in places where gaddafi comes from, and his family and main supporters. >> what about the chances that a copy might have military forces at his command -- that gaddafi might have military forces at his command? >> gaddafi is finished, but there are still loyalists in the city fighting the rebels. they will die down in the coming days. they know that the battle is now lost. >> is there any antiwar muammar gaddafi is? -- are there any reports of where muammar gaddafi is? >> i think he is still in libya, but it mi

where he is that he hasn't been captured the fighting still continues in pockets where the national transitional council has declared his rule over and we've all seen images of libyan celebrating in the streets but the biggest questions are. what's to come now despite the fact that even our own president barack obama made a statement that the situation in libya is still fluid is still uncertain mainstream media of course has already announced that this is a victory and they've moved on to asking the really tough political questions now most of that being can we now say that obama has won can we all say that perhaps congressional displeasure that we saw with the move that he made is going to go away is that it a little bit of congressional displeasure just more vapid political rhetoric that supposedly leading from behind to those critiques will stand now i've got a big problem with that listen is most everybody happy that an arab dictator who's rule for more than forty years probably soon be gone yes so is there for a reason for celebration for happiness for the libyan people who want him out despite the

council in the got the regime and i really thought we was. was libya's. ambassador to india for they cut off the regime these are the real leaders of the national transitional council. they're certainly known have any history as democrats you know they've been associated with a good off the regime for a very long time furthermore i very much agreed with the comment in your report that. this this regime in the making is largely being installed by western powers if we go back to march of this year when the un adopted security council resolution one thousand and seventy three that was the no fly zones to protect civilians. that didn't by any stretch of the imagination give nato forces the authority to facilitate regime change in libya which is what we're now doing in the us it is in the lead they haven't recognized the national transitional council in july of this year so there are of course the great danger is either we have a continuing civil war or we have what the libyan people think of as a puppet american regime designed to protect access to the forty one billion dollars of barrels of oil that everybody knows exists and libya i think it's important to po

democracy in the new world order live from frankfurt thank you for joining us today so the transitional national council has been billed as everything from a grassroots democratic movement fighting for freedom so a loose mob of armed men fighting for power in your opinion just what is the transitional government the t.n.c. well what what we have going on in libya for some months now is a major effort by u.s. and nato forces to pour at least a billion dollars by best estimates into the so-called transitional national council it's a rival tribal clan warfare that's going on in libya this is not the democracy movement in any stretch of the imagination. it's simply an insurgency being supported covertly by u.s. financed arm shipments into the rebels and in order to simply carve up the oil fields and get it into western hands rather than in libyan state hands which khadafi held firmly to that's i think the real underlying issue in this whole nato . bombing of libya so rival tribal internal wolf but what's what's going on now in libya when we don't have a capital a capital city full of armed men crying victor

just we're almost out of time but a straight lobbyist they've been hired to represent the transitional national council so that the money that the transitional national council is is looking to unfreeze of the libyan assets and get that to come back to washington and the farm of loving. god so this is a paper book so i'm going to launch a war to war so it's a more i'm going to get a bunch of rebels somewhere maybe. for instance the i'm a. tomorrow my war is going to the on the front page will be read the united states as a legitimate writer use it as you got to have a go though they're going to look like we're about fifty thousand dollars a month for one lobbyist was the cap not much or all right we'll have a thank you for being on the show thank you for the news that you broke here and we'll look for your report on monday and hope we get to talk you've got serious and that was asia times correspondent pepe escobar now it began syria and syria today protests continued and government forces reportedly killed seven protesters that in response to unrest we've seen there for a while today russia announced

we are expecting some form of words from the national transitional council, hopefully they will confirm that. at the moment they are still running battles in the street. we don't know how many members of the libyan army still stand. we know the national transitional council had 12 to 15,000 waiting outside the city at the start of today. that will have a decisive impact on the city. >> gregg: dominic did natale -- dominic did that ly producer are telling us through our brain room we did incredible research, algeria did in fact, sign, as a signatory to the international criminal court which has indicted muammar gadhafi for crimes against humanity, seeking the death penalty. algeria may have signed it, they didn't ratify it. technically, they do not have to follow the rules of the icc in handing over muammar gadhafi. keep in mind, the bbc reporting gadhafi has fled to algeria. we have not been able to confirm that. >> heather: that made that news in june, correct? >> gregg: i think it was june 24th. tunisia 24th, algeria about a decade ago. but they never ratified it. >> maybe that's the

the transitional national council have been saying that the police force should remain should remain in position that the police force is relatively tainted by the the oppression of the good i fear a good gadhafi used other instruments for his approach the police force is reasonably well respected and will remain u.k. and britain has promised to release frozen funds to the transitional council and will undoubtedly be followed by the un and other nations now let's go just a moment i don't i don't think i don't think we've progressed to release good at his fruition from what i understand that they were saying that those funds will be released in something like in the next six months not immediately but in the six months and i'm going to ask you i mean is that really rather too worried to release money to a government that it's not really known about how that stage. absolutely not it's too late it's absurd that libya should be deprived of money for this period why what justification is the for that the security council ought to release this money as soon as possible otherwise people are

meanwhile, a national transitional council which consists of opposition leaders is taking steps to launch a new government. the council plans to transfer its base from the northeastern city of benghazi and set up a provisional government in tripoli. a senior member of the council mom mud ja bril has stressed the need to rebuild libya. the council will meet with the u.s. and european and arab nations in qatar on wednesday and ask them for financial assistance. it will also ask for cooperation in rebuilding the country from other nations at a conference to be held in turkey on thursday. >>> the u.s. government has announced plans to release up to $1.5 billion in frozen libyan assets t transitional national council within days. >> we want to give this money back to the tnc for its use, first and foremost, to meet humanitarian needs and to help it establish a secure, stable government and to move on to the next step in its own roadmap. >> the announcement came after u.s. president barack obama spoke by telephone with french president nicolas sarkozy. they agreed to work with the international

what they were fighting for and then leave you know those who took over and that is the transitional national council of now being chosen by the levy and people get that council is being recognized as legitimate power in the view of by all the allies that it's been helping. many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers of the century made those very important choices for them nato has been in there. with the mission over the last six months the strike strikes a lot of criticism they killed many innocent civilians while the goal of the mission was to protect civilians nato was facing a deadline in september when a resolution full strikes had to be renewed and given all of the violations that have taken place it would be very hot. to get everyone on board for extending the campaign. well thanks very much indeed for that gunn of us live in washington well let's get more analysis from the director of the antiwar coalition brian becker he's also in washington d.c. brian thanks very much indeed for being with us here in r.t. but as you just heard it said that nato has done a great job it looks

the foreign minister is to fly to benghazi today to meet officials of the national transitional council. the chair of the alliance of nations is there to deal diplomatically with the libyan conflict. andrew? >> charles, meanwhile, moammar gadhafi is nowhere to be found. one of his sons, his chosen success, saif gadhafi has reappeared. he unexpectedly presented himself in front of cameras outside of tripoli hotel. libyan rebels had claimed to have him in custody. but clearly, free and able to move about, saif gadhafi was greeted by supporters and drove off in an armored land cruiser. another of colonel gadhafi's son, mohammed gadhafi escaped from rebel custody on monday. a third son is the only son currently under arrest. >>> matthew chance is at the hotel where say eave gadhafi made his surprise appearance. earlier, he described his talk with gadhafi's son. >> outside there was a white armored land cruiser and people were pounting at me sago owe i went up to it. i knocked on the window and says, can you open the door, i need to see you with my own eyes. he did that. i reached in, turned

street lobbyists they've been hired to represent that there is a shell national council so that money that they're the transitional national council is is looking to unfreeze of the libyan assets and get that to come back to washington and the farm of lodging right there which is good to people but sort of going to launch a war to be lauren so it's more of give a get together bunch of rebels somewhere maybe. for instance we're more. moral why war is going to be on the front page of every. speech as legitimate right if you've got to have the dough though get it out looks like right up at eight thousand dollars a month for one lobbyist was the cap. or all right well thank you for being on the show thank you for the news that you broke here and we'll look for your report on monday and hopefully get to talk to you about syria saying that was asia times correspondent pepe escobar. all right back to the united states i mentioned money but what about money in the u.s. where is the u.s. economy headed and what are u.s. leaders do want about it but if you look at the numbers it looks like the economy is certainly not going

there are other elements within the transitional national council as we know it today. is is what may slow the sort of arrival, if you will, or the announcement of any sort of transitional government. this may be the simplest one. >> and of course what happens to gadhafi's inner circle is not the only big question here. >> french and african sources have expressed fear that some of the weapons have fallen into control of al qaeda. to kidnap westerners. >> of course they have proven they can beat the forces. >> can the rebels run? e interna. but for some of us with overactive bladder, our pipes just don't work as well as they should. sometimes, i worry my pipes might leak. but i learned there's something more i can do. now, i take care with vesicare. once-daily vesicare can help control your bladder muscle and is proven to treat overactive bladder with symptoms of frequent urges and leaks day and night. if you have certain stomach or glaucoma problems, or trouble emptying your bladder, do not take vesicare. vesicare may cause allergic reactions that may be serious. if you

there is a great division between the transitional national council that originated in benghazi in those trouble leaders and opponents to the regime in tripoli as well as the west like ion laz rudder. they were unhappy over the failure of the council to provide adequate military resistance. can they restore safety and stability to tripoli as quickly as possible? that will be the most important task. >> when do you think we will see a functioning democracy in this country? is that possible at the moment? >> a functioning democracy is a rather distant goal. this country was ruled by a brutal dictatorship for decades. it is deeply divided along tribal lines. it has gone now to a harrowing -- through a harrowing civil war. half it has no political parties. its security forces are we. the task at hand is state building. on top of that, you can have a function -- functioning political system. >> what is the role of the international community at this stage? >> i think if there ever was nation-building, we're talking about from the ground up. there has been no civil society, no unions. i have b

an official with libya's transitional national council tells cnn a great majority of the libyan capital under control of the rebels but caution there are still pockets of resistance in the city. no one seems to know where colonel gadhafi is at the moment. earlier there were explosions and gunfire near his bab al aziziya compound. the rebels say they captured three of colonel gadhafi's seven sons. >>> let's see what's going on in the financial markets. starting in europe where 105 minutes into the trading day and here is how they look at the moment. quite interesting. we are seeing gains, clearly a new mood. lower oil price, the ftse up 1%. same story for the paris cac, and the zurich smi. the market doing badly is the dax. still off just slightly, was off by more than 1%. i'm going to stick my neck out and guess this is because over the weekend the german chancellor, angela merkel, said no, no, no, to euro bonds, eurozone bonds that is not welcome as far as investors in germany's export industries are concerned because they have the most to lose from a euro collapse. the markets idea is

what they were fighting for and they leave you know those who took over and that is the transitional national council of not being chosen by the review people get the council is being recognized as legitimate power in the view by all the allies that it's been helping . many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers of the century made those very important choices for them nato has been in there. with the mission over the last six months the strike strikes a lot of criticism they killed many innocent civilians while the goal of the mission was to protect civilians nato was facing a deadline in september when a resolution full strikes had to be renewed and given all the violations that have taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the campaign. talking to me a little earlier from washington well more now on the future of post gadhafi libya and what the future holds for the conflict torn nation i'm joined by former bush administration official michael o'brien he's live in our studio in washington d.c. mr brown thank you very much indeed for being with us so now

said that he is on his way out he's recently just been on the phone to the leader of the national transitional council most. stressing the need for a smooth peaceful and that's going to transition to this new democratic leadership at the same time as all of that he did say that nato forces mandate for being in the country expires in just one month will stay there for as long as it takes so quite an open ended response to that question if there is some uncertainty tempering the jubilation around the rebels presence in tripoli the other uncertainty is over the question of the frozen assets britain it has said it's prepared to release them through the building a new infrastructure in the country and stabilize the there is some uncertainty is who those will go to and how they'll be used also uncertainty around the e.u. sanctions a spokesperson for the e.u. foreign affairs committee has said for the time being will remain in place over libya and will be lifted when the time is right and finally it could happen where is he. is still unknown and britain stance has changed once again about on that issue prime

still feel that way in what may become very soon the post gaddafi era. >> you fear the transitional national council recognized by the gad any regime. >> the united states itself has been late in the game in recognizing formally the transitional national council in libya. other countries followed suit the united states is one of the last western country for as for what happens in the west part of the country of course it was from the west that the rebels succeeded in launching this final offensioffensive>> you me early recognition of the rebels and catalyst and he blew up the tank qaddafi as they were entering benghazi. if it's a tribe to the as he runs for election? >> he will seek to cap li capitn it. someone weakened by the economy in this country by a vic areas state. the white husba house will try this by president obama and perhaps seek to equate it of osama bin laden. it was back on april 15th that president obama says qaddafi is running out of money is running out of supplies. my expectation is the president told the associated press in april if we supply that gaddafi will go and we will be

the president of france has met with the head of libya's national transitional council in paris after talks behind closed doors nicolas sarkozy promised military assistance to the new libyan government for as long as they need it. has the details france becomes the first e.u. power to host the head of libya's transitional national council nicolas sarkozy said that he and nato will continue to supply military equipment to the rebels as long as they need it though he didn't mention the un resolution authorizing intervention in libya which many think actually expressly rules out military supplies to libya rebel leader. said that he sees france as a driving force in the nato campaign against gadhafi troops now the french and british have invited libya's government to a meeting on september the first with e.u. leaders adding that they will meet quote not as military allies but friends but the british prime minister's office has also released a statement saying that the meeting will help to build a free and democratic libya during wednesday's meeting sarkozy also cuts france's economic grow

getting what they were fighting for and they review those who took over and that is the transitional national council of now being chosen by the review people get the council is being recognized as legitimate power in the view by all the allies that it's been helping. many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers of the century made those very important choices for them nato has been in a hurry to wrap up with the mission over the last six months the strike strikes a lot of criticism they killed many innocent civilians while the goal of the mission was to protect civilians nato was facing a deadline in september when a resolution full strikes had to be renewed and given all the violations that have taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the campaign. for more analysis on events in tripoli former u.s. diplomat in libya john graham joins us live from the u.s. . now you are a former u.s. diplomat in libya your experience with the regime how do you think colonel gadhafi fate will play out at this point well i've said from the beginning the one thing that you

libya's national transitional council, it was officially established march 5th in benghazi. the council is recognized by more than 30 countries as libya's legitimate governing authority. it's made up of 33 members and led by the chairman. the ntc says its i'm aim is to steal libya for an interim period only and ultimate goals are free elections and establishing a constitution. >>> while rebel fighters are united against moammar gadhafi with just one goal in mind a big concern is what happens after his 42-year reign ends. finding unity is never easy but it's even more complicated with libya's make up. their tribal rivalries and ethnic groups. the majority of the population is arab or berber. you see them here in orange in the north and east. that's about 97% of the population. a handful of other groups indicated by the different colors you see on the map. >> world leaders are urging the national transitional council to pursue a peaceful evolution to democracy but that won't be easy. the council is far from united. the shaky coalition includes former regime officials, national

supporters to get from this to run the country in a closed door meeting with head of libya's national transitional council nicolas sarkozy promised continued military assistance rebels are now in control of most of tripoli but there are still reports of resistance by government loyalists the united nations is to hold talks on bringing u.s. assets to help with the rest of. the international conference to how the new rebel government is due to take place over september the facts. france becomes the first e.u. power to host the head of libya's transitional national council nicolas sarkozy said that he and nato will continue to supply military equipment to the rebels as long as they need it no he didn't mention the un resolution the rising intervention in libya which many shrinks expressly rules out military supplies to libya the rebel leader. said that he sees a driving force in the nato campaign against gadhafi troops and now the french and the british have invited libya's government to a meeting on september the first with e.u. leaders that they will meet quote not military allies but friends but the briti

what they were fighting for and then leave you know those who took over and that is the transitional national council of now being chosen by the league of people get the council is being recognized as a legitimate power in the view of by all the allies that has been helping. many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers of the century made those very important choices for them nato has been in a hurry to wrap up with the mission over the last six months the strike strikes a lot of criticism they killed many innocent civilians while the goal of the mission was to protect civilians nato was facing a deadline in september when their resolution full strikes had to be renewed and given all the violations that have taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the campaign. and former bush administration official michael brown has told me that gadhafi is fate will be decided by the west but punishment will be carried out in libya. be careful what you ask for you might get it then again you may not the example of egypt that was just given they're not a they didn't get

a very difficult thing to do, and the national transitional council has its job cut out for it, wolf.l get back to you. sara sidner doing heroic work in libya. let's bring in our national security reporter fran townsend who serves on the external and homeland security advisory board and has had extensive experience dealing with the gadhafi region. this is amazing what's going on right now. is there an insurgency potentially that's in the works? >> i think there is, wolf. you know, one of the interesting things is as the forces around gadhafi have slowly begun to disintegrate and allowed the rebels into tripoli, what you worry about these forces will take off their uniforms and live to fight another day, much like what we saw in iraq, so the potential for that is quite dangerous for the transitional national council, and one of the things that the u.s. and western european allies will have to help them as they begin to try and form a government. >> because it's amazing to me that one of the sons of moammar gadhafi, mohammed gadhafi is taken prisoner and then he escapes. here in "the si

but at the same time there's no doubt that the transition national council is composed of a variety of factions. you have islamists sometimes very radical islamists part of the libyan fighting group that were tied to al qaeda that may be part of the council. you have secular democrats part of the february 17th movement that was akip to the movement in egypt. you have tribal leaders. you have former gadhafi loyalists, military officials. then you have a large group of clansmen on the sidelines. you don't have a representative council even at this stage, that's one of the most important things that the united states and nato is going to try to do. to expand the reputation of this council to include orfactions that stayed out of the conflict. >> thank you so much for lending your experience and perspective to all of us. >> sure. >> kristen welker is in mart yast's vineyard following the president on vacation. what do you have today? >> reporter: we're expecting to get an update from the white house within the hour. here's what we can tell you right now. president obama released a statemen

but that really depends upon how the transitional national council the t.n.c. is able to secure the country right now there's still sporadic fighting in tripoli and as you said strict gadhafi stronghold in sirte is still up for grabs as this conflict progresses will be more clear as to what happens clearly there will still be gadhafi loyalists after the country is under control of the t.n.c. what matters is if the t.n.c. is able to provide the sort of security and policing required to prevent any sort of insurgency in the coming months yet you think they're able to i mean there are critics calling into question the ability of the n t c. to bring back order and control and you're talking about armed demands then on the street how do you think they're going to be able to do that do you think they're capable. this is one of the biggest challenges that is facing the interim government right now. with the forces that they have it's a very diverse group there are over thirty major tribes one hundred forty tribes in general there are over forty eight at last count int

>> i support the transitional -- the national transitional council. i mean, they have plans for -- security plans in place. i have faith in them. i do know the libyan people support them. they are our government. >> they have quite a specific blueprint that talks about there not being a security vacuum, that there will not be a power vacuum. you feel confident that they can deliver? >> i do feel confident that they will deliver. i mean, they have done great things so far. we have seen countries all over the world recognize them. and like i said, i have faith in them. i think they will deliver. >> jane, a law student speaking to us from benghazi. thank you. >> on the bbc live from singapore and london, still to come, the caribbean council -- now u.s. authorities from north carolina to new york prepare for the worst from irene. what makes the apple -- we assess the future of the world's tallest company. let's go back to the situation in libya. this doctor has been working with a number of hospitals in tripoli. he's been telling me about his experiences.

rebels are far from being a homogenous group their official leadership and that is the transitional national council as being recognized by all allied forces there who have been helping them oust gadhafi the rebels have seen some have the backing they've been have really backed by western powers including the united states the head of the council mostafa jolie who has traveled to washington a number of times he has received overwhelming support from politicians here so he's definitely seen as their man in tripoli but one of the stumbling points here is that he hasn't been chosen as a leader by the libyan people. themselves and many liberal libyans are outraged by the fact that those very important choices are being made for them also going back to the point that the rebels are not a homogenous group there has been some infighting going on among the rebels as well at the end of july a top rebel military commander was killed and a very suspicious circumstances circumstances which led to believe that the head of the transitional national council might have had a hand in that murder but again that infig

the transitional national council how it is made up of so many different factions and how a lot of these factions disagree about just about everything except wanting to see khadafi go what happens when gadhafi goes he's already gone in terms of that p.r. war in terms of the lobbyist here in washington what sides do they choose then when this one group that they purport to be supporting turns into many groups your guess is as good as mine it's really unfortunate but the euphoria in the western media it's a bit presumptuous because we don't know what's going to come next we don't know what will follow could off we we don't even know if the t.n.c. really represents the interest of all the libyan people so again this is sort of reminiscent of two dozen three with the fall of saddam hussein's statue certainly many people are happy that gadhafi is gone and that saddam hussein is gone but now the real work will begin and we don't know what will come next you mention the word hypocrisy a few times as far as this country and u.s. foreign policy i think is important to point out too this is not as

the challenge will be for the new transitional national council to embrace all the players.diverse campaigns on the western and the eastern front. and the challenge will be making sure that everyone feels that they have a stake in a new political system as well as the economic spoils. >> fascinating story. robin, thank you for your time and your expertise. much appreciated. >> thank you. >>> the turmoil in libya and europe's debt crisis could make for another volatile week on wall street. plus, the lessons learned from libya. will president obama's approach mark a new era in u.s. foreign policy? but first, today's trivia question. moammar gadhafi is the fourth longest serving non-royal ruler since 1900. who served the lot longest in that time? tweet us, @dailyrundown. the answer and more, coming up. multivitamin with more. only one a day women's 50+ advantage has ginkgo for memory and concentration, plus support for bone and breast health. a great addition to my routine. [ female announcer ] one a day women's. a mouthwatering combination of ingredients...e for you! i know yo

have signed on with the libyan trained transitional national council which the united states canada britain spain and germany now recognize as the country's legitimate government of firms work to help the council gain that recognition after being detained this spring. so it seems that whichever way the political wind is blowing here in washington a whole lot of time money and resources go into shaping the way the world views our friends our enemies and our friends. that make more sense of all of this in a sense is he or she is foreign policy analyst for the cato institute i want to talk about all of these different aspects of what's going on. this is not really new if you look back the u.s. back has the mubarak for thirty years that also backed leaders in pakistan nicaragua there is a long history of this so i want to get your take do you think that this is something new this first friendship you know now animosity toward libya toward the dictator in libya is something different or is this sort of just like it's always been that certainly a recurring pattern or we've seen this not only just

how i mean we like i said this is all speculation but for the meantime you've got the transitional national council in place which is the rebel alliance that's based and as the and is. for the moment at least seems to be a unified opposition movement and i'm actually i'm not mad spirit i should say that i'm just a reporter so i just follow these things pretty closely but we have an expert at the center for american progress sara marjon who put out a piece today that where she was explaining that the there's really a need for the transitional national council to do precisely what you're talking about and make sure that they become a broadly inclusive. movement for the transition and that would include even former gadhafi regime elements really but all libyans have to be included in this process and i think that's going to be an early key know how it shakes out if it's going to end up being a more fractured society in a federalized system it might be too soon to tell the society there might be better suited to a system like that but we really don't know yet but for the meantime i think that that it's