pretty much the same place transylvania would have been so had it been different we would be celebrating the the transylvania derby last week instead of the kentucky derby. >> host: you mentioned south california in the book but there were also movements at some point in texas, something called south texas and also in new jersey, south jersey. and tell us about the was two. >> guest: texas is an interesting case because when they join the union there is a special stipulation that says texas has the right to split itself up into as many as five separate states. now texas has been in the early part of texas history assumed that what actually happened. it was a given. it didn't. we have one texas right now and constitutional scholars will say that texas has no special rights. any state can do that, but texas clings to the notion that they have that right and of course the reason to do that would be that you get more senators and right now to senators and congress and if it was split up there would have up to ten so that is the primary reason texas would want to do that. the case of south je

host: you talk about something called transylvania.e will talk about what that would have been, somewhere in the area about -- the area of kentucky and tennessee. when did this come about? guest: this was a state proposed by daniel boone, and the people with unsettling that area. they were the first to cross the at -- people with him at settle in that area. they were the first to cross the appellations. they went back to congress and they said that they wanted to call the state transylvania. it sounds like a funny name, but it was not, because "vania" means a pleasant, but it area, like pennsylvania. -- pleasant, wooded area, like pennsylvania. we have kentucky in pretty much the same place that transylvania would have been bid it would have been at the transylvania derby last week instead of the kentucky derby. host: there were movements at some point with taxes, something called south texas. also with new jersey -- south jersey. guest: texas is an interesting case, because when they joined the union, there was a special stipulation t