you know several months before the elections and several months before president trant took office and it was not a focus of what i was doing and in that 6 month period ok. was was the issue ever raised at all. he did not you know still on the board i think at the time yeah my understanding from newspaper accounts is that he just recently left and right 19 i never met him never never talked to him. and i'm sorry what was your question. he was still on the board when you arrived at post and was just wondering if at least the perception problem was it was brought to your attention as the ambassador. we i was aware of it because as i told you before and in the deposition there had been a. in terms of the preparation for my senate confirmation hearings for ukraine. it was that a question about that and a select answer so i was aware of it no press. in your deposition you you acknowledged that the president has longstanding concerns about corruption in ukraine is that true. that's that's that's what he says. or going back to there is a meeting with president partially and go into february 2

ground 1st and foremost in the west itself do you think it's a passing fad or is it indeed a major trant of rebalancing our i think we are potentially on a major rebalancing away from being powered individual isn't which is where we are right now which is creating a lot of problems back towards the individual and again we talk about china you know the harmony of the group the collective goods also a shift away from this sort of material culture and we talk about happiness quite a lot in in the west and we tend to relate it to material acquisition you know some of the happiest people in the world have had very few possessions and i think we might see the emergence of some kind of new spiritual paradigm i think there's some interesting things going on generation where people are questioning the need to actually own things maybe they just need to certain things and they are being forced to live with less because they have less money means a big generational divide opening up and in terms of wealth but that's not necessarily a bad thing i think having less is a very very good thing indeed th

suggesting that everything we have heard so far about this from president trant denying that there was any wrongdoing saying that it's all part of a political witch hunt against him is wrong. yeah look this was very powerful damning testimony by gordon sohn lend a couple of lines just leapt out. you know from his testimony one we were all following the president's orders that psalms exact words he's talking about the pressure campaign that was being put on presidents alinsky and ukrainian officials to get them to make these statements about investigations into the bidens an alleged and suppose a 2016 interference by the ukrainians in the presidential election and another one that was pretty significant everyone was in the loop and by that he meant secretary pompei o mick mulvaney the acting white house chief of staff said everybody in the national security decision making process was aware of what was going on so that's. pretty significant because it implicates the secretary of state himself and also possibly vice president pence who of course if president trump were removed from offic