tourism into hong kong. we are joined by alice chan, executive director of the travel industry council of hong kong, representing the inbound andund travel agents in hong kong. welcome to the program. how bad are things? >> they are really bad. the travel industry is suffering, both inbound and outbound business suffering. mainlanding about the inbound tour groups. 300 groupshave 200, visiting hong kong per day in august for some years. but for this august, we only have an average of 80 groups per day. and for the last 10 days of august, we only had about 40 groups visiting. for two groups from -- tour groups from other overseas markets, we have seen at least a 15% drop in tourism numbers. david: we know it's bad. we know july was bad. do you have early numbers on august? how does august look? >> august was bad. according to the hong kong tourism board, the first half of august, we had a 30% drop in arrivals year on year. stephen: how does this compare to other crises? i've lived in hong kong for the better part of almost 30 years now. i've lived through the asian financial crisis, through sars, through the umbrella movement. h