of bloomberg "businessweek," derek thompson of "the atlantic" and mike isaac of the "new york times." >> this was pretty stunning in the sense travis., had full control of the company in almost every way. he was c.e.o. he had voting control. and he had board control. so he had to be the one to decide to step away, and it's something that was pretty much unthinkable a few months ago. >> glor: derek it will be led by someone, least for now, other than travis kalanick. but travis kalanick was and is uber. >> exactly right. travis is as responsible for the bottom line, rest new, as the culture. in many ways the revenue came out of culture, this incredible relentless focus on improving the product, making sure it was as good as possible, growing, growing, growing, and allowing some of the top reformers in the country get away with that with what we now know was heinous behavior. >> glor: the company is still losing money. >> they have big battles in many sphaeps they have been pouring money from venture capitalists for years and years subsidizing every ride we take while pushing their drivers to accept less and less money, and the fact