katrina: in the introduction to my book, you had someone bragging about their hot tub people like travis kalanickgregate. emily: tell me how you navigated that thing in the early days. katrina: i was exposed to bias, deliberate and not deliberate, and i hope those days are far behind us now. i think there is a much greater of what pac-10 could have been seen in a tone deaf way as -- what could have been seen as a tone deaf way to connect to entrepreneurs. having a diverse portfolio an employee base -- emily: you reportedly told bill gurley during the uber drama that he had a responsibility to what was going on. how do you decide when depressed those buttons? katrina: i have a great relationship with bill. i feel he is someone who is happy to listen to my direct opinions about what i was seeing. i have so much respect for bill and benchmark and the series of difficult decisions they have made in the last two years. i appreciate bill for his openness and listening to my direct opinions. emily: you had your own me too problem with an investor accused by multiple women of sexual harassment and even a