entrepreneur travis kalanick was in some ways and archetype for the brash, think you would call him like mark zuckerberg meets the cam of -- very sort of aggressive but he found essentially a loophole in how people got around or didn't get around. several weeks ago in 2010 and 2011 i was working at liars magazine and i had to leave 45 minutes early because i wouldn't know if the taxi would come and get me in the public infrastructure was really crumbling. pushing a button on your phone to get a car didn't exist and this was a pretty revolutionary idea. for me when i decided to ride this it was wanting to sketch out how entrepreneurs know about ideas and maybe the limits of worshiping founders that rate the rules, the break norms and how it can be maybe a positive thing for change but also how it can go really really badly. >> can you give us that basic arc. the uber launched as a ridesharing app kind of like everything is going awesome and then what happens? >> yeah i mean there were periods where i think most people, they kind of know the uber went through a weird time so maybe they fou

entrepreneur travis kalanick was in some ways and archetype for the brash, think you would call him like mark zuckerberg meets the cam of -- very sort of aggressive but he found essentially a loophole in how people got around or didn't get around. several weeks ago in 2010 and 2011 i was working at liars magazine and i had to leave 45 minutes early because i wouldn't know if the taxi would come and get me in the public infrastructure was really crumbling. pushing a button on your phone to get a car didn't exist and this was a pretty revolutionary idea. for me when i decided to ride this it was wanting to sketch out how entrepreneurs know about ideas and maybe the limits of worshiping founders that rate the rules, the break norms and how it can be maybe a positive thing for change but also how it can go really really badly. >> can you give us that basic arc. the uber launched as a ridesharing app kind of like everything is going awesome and then what happens? >> yeah i mean there were periods where i think most people, they kind of know the uber went through a weird time so maybe they fou

you know, we were talking about the ouster of travis kalanick.e don't seem to learn from that so i wonder, you know, part of the game has been keep the founders happy so we can invest in the company and now i do wonder if that pendulum has swung the other way. at the same time, you know, maybe we'll be back in two years ousting another founder and marveling at how horrible things are. who knows. >> mike, what is the lesson here for employees for investors? if you look at travis kalanick, if you look at adam newman, these founders seem to have made out great. newman walking away with another billion plus while the company appears to crumble the wework employees, meanwhile, thought they were in for a great thing a few weeks ago. now they're questioning what they're in for. >> totally i think this era of the cult around founderers as and this fr worship is coming to an end. travis, i thought the high point -- i think newman exemplified this i think maybe earlier on with the sergeis, larries, zuckerbergs of the world, there was a point to following p

the rise of the transportation and tech company including travis kalanick when major shareholders demandedt is one of the highest rated series. i like the behind the scenes of nbc bay area, though. >> but who will play me? that's good. frank should play me. >> could i try out for the role? >> you've got it. >> we're thinking alike. >> a lot of driving shots to tahoe. i don't know how much action. >> thank you, frank. >>> coming up on "today in the bay," kari hall has your thursday forecast, wet out there. >> starting out soggy for some. people head out the door and ready for work. it'll be in the upper 50s and starting to clear out the rest of the day. what's ahead up next. >>> i had a clear shot of fremont. now i don't. it's blurry. scott mcgrew told me the same thing so it must be out there. we'll talk about what else is out there. you're watching "today in the bay." tv just keeps getting better. how you watch it does too. this is xfinity x1. featuring the emmy award-winning voice remote. streaming services without changing passwords and input. live sports - with real-time stats and scor

think that ultimately is what did it meant and bend the comparison that cries out here is perhaps travis kalanick of goober boob are obviously in there they made it there but not without major drama what are the parallels between this we were case in case and what does this apparent repeat of this cycle suggest about the cutting edge accomplice culture in 2019. well i think there's some big differences between what happened with travis and what's happening with adam and largely because again look travis was also a very visionary person there's no question about it he still is and since he's left it where he has started up a venture fund where he's still investing in 2 big idea companies he says profits and for profit and nonprofit companies but again the difference here is you had in travis kind of this reputation of being a bro right he had this reputation of somebody who was very kind of loose with the way he talked to people that sexual harassment within his company was high that he was going to korean escort services on the company dime so you have all these these personal issues that he was

adam neumann or travis kalanick did extraordinary things, disrupted entire industries, broke cartels,ime, no one ever said no to them, and their behavior eventually got to the point where it was out of control. not invest in people, but you also cannot say we are going to just flip the switch and put in a season manager. that was what uber did and that is not -- that did not work either. you replace travis with a really good manager in dara, but he is just a manager. he does not know where to take the company in the future, and the market is reflecting that. we are going to be tougher, we are going to have higher standards, and we are not just going to in order to win a deal say yes to whatever our founder once. taylor: do you have to see a path to profitability? are you ok not seeing that for five to 10 years and hoping it will come later? >> i have to see how we ultimately get there without saying if we become the amazon of x, we will be really profitable. anyone who is the amazon of anything is going to be profitable eventually, but unit economics have to get better and you have to

. >> what happened to benchmark obviously with travis kalanick taking him out did they have a harder i think their reputation has certainly changed but i think right now the cv firms in the 1r58ly are going to be good. >> yeah, softbank has distorted that whole marketplace by the size of the market i think masa son, his approach is more hands of i like your style, brash i think he's still -- >> i don't know if mbs is going -- >> that's a whole other -- >> no, that's how you have to think about it when you think of the pressures on him to turn against adam, it was in large part because investors like saudi and others were frustrated and upset about what was taking place. when they saw the valuation of wework go from 47 to $44, they said, what gives >> that's fair you're absolutely right. where the money is coming from. >> switch gears and pivot to this the record hollywood weekend for "joker." the comic book film starring joakim phoenix earning $94 million at the u.s. box office is the most ever for an october premiere this despite security concerns at some theaters and an "r" rating