in the rendering of trayvon martin, we make sure we opened on just him, before anything else.cause that was the beginning of miss wilkerson's writing journey, we begin the film that way as well. amy: talk about why you decided to call the film not "caste" but "origin." >> i did want to be disingenuous. the film is not a book. the film is about the writing of the book and the woman who wrote the book. you get some good pieces of the book, but it is about the intellectual pursuit, the curiosity that leads to knowledge, about the interrogation and about obstacles. it is about love. it is about triumph over adversity. it is different than the book. it is about the life and work of this woman as she is writing "caste" so i not want to call it "caste" and have you think, what am i doing here? ruby wilkerson. "origin" is a word in the subtitle of the book. the book is "caste: the origins of our discontents." we stayed true to the proximity between the two by using the same word. amy: let's go to isabel wilkerson herself. i interviewed her in 2020 after she won the pulitzer prize when

so it was a part of the journey to writing the book, is contemplating trayvon martin's death. >> yeaheople to take away from this? because we are in this wild era where isabel wilkerson's work is being banned, where 1619 project is being banned. people are passing laws to stop people from reading history and understanding particularly black history and lgbtq history. but it's intense. what do you want people to walk out of that theater with in this time? >> well, it's important for us, we made the film independently, in 37 days on three continents. we broke all of the rules in terms of the ways in which we're told to make this inside a studio system, don't say this, don't press too hard. we were able to freely express what we wanted to and accelerate the timeline of the movie so it's out before the elections this year. we want to contribute to a conversation that is an urgent matter for folks to raise their voices and talk about books being banned, history being rewritten or completely disregarded, ridiculous statements being made by candidates and politicians that are going unchallen

our overall point was that trayvon martin was not vulnerable because he didn't have a role model, heas not vulnerable because his father wasn't in his life. his father was in his life. the framework of my brother's keeper more or less responded to the vulnerability of trayvon martin and so these kinds of issues would fix the problem. that didn't fix the problem. these were structural problems, problems of seeing african-american people as dangerous. this was a criminal justice system problem and it was also the fact that black girls are also subject to this kind of discipline and we need to be concerned about them. one of our reports, black girls matter, found that black girls, the disparity in the in school discipline they experience in terms of suspension and expulsion is greater between them in white girls than the disparity between black boys and white boys. race makes a bigger difference in how girls behavior will be interpreted and what kinds of consequences come out of that. that is the kind of disparity we don't talk about when we think about racism primarily in terms of how

it was the presidents response to trayvon martin's senseless death. >> if i had a son, he would look keeper, funded through public and private partnerships, provides mentorship, education, and job training. >> if we don't save young people, young people save themselves. we are but facilitators of them in that journey. >> in places like newark, we are seeing concrete reductions in homicides. >> reporter: newark mayor ross peralta credits the partnership with mbk and other community based programs for a historic drop in homicides to a 60-year low in just over a decade. >> doing that work, we began to integrate ourself with the everyday functions of the city. we saw dramatic changes. >> the reduction of homicides represents young man that are living today that will be fully present. i'm trying not to get emotional. they will be fully present in their families, in their communities, in our democracy. >> reporter: in the decades since he began, and became has reached thousands of young men with positive results and what the organization calls model communities like newark and yonkers were

out of the ferguson crisis, out of the trayvon martin shooting. all these three events began pushing the republican party toward a position of openness towards donald trump. and then you have the question of agency, to my parts. first is trump agency. he's always pushing and he doesn't care and he doesn't believe in responsibility for himself. but then you also have the agency of the republicans who allowed him to take over their party. and each step along the way there were choices made not to push back, not to resist. so as much as we look at these larger forces pushing the country in the direction that it's headed, we also need to recognize both that events matter and choices matter and we saw the opportunity to make choices for ourselves. >> thanks, matt. take for five minutes and then glenn. [applause] >> yeah, a couple of comments. one of the features of american exceptionalism is compared to other modern liberal democracie democracies, the american founding fathers created a very complex constitutional system with many more checks and balan

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the massacre at mother emmanuel church and after the killings of unarmed black teenagers like trayvon martin and michael brown. and all of that, according to nikki haley, was about dividing americans. >> it became more about separating americans instead of bringing them together. >> that was the right-wing media, though. they were scared to death of a black president. >> look, i don't think -- everybody's at fault. i'm not saying that one person did this, but i'm saying under that administration it really did cause some -- you just felt people felt like they were being put in camps. >> the obama administration was dividing americans by putting people in camps. just take a second to remember how nikki haley's actual primary opponent in this race, how he ran for president the first time around. >> donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. when mexico send its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists

my brother's keeper, which he launched in 2013, a year after the killing of trayvon martin. >> you know >> we talked about becoming a man, and would being a man really means. >> describe a positive energy. as i know it's a key pillar to -- >> basically just instead of lashing out you know, you can go work out, you can go do something like that. top tier guys, you know. go and hit a punching bag instead of hitting somebody. just putting that negative, self destructive type of anger into something positive, something that you could benefit from. -- what's the cause of the anger? that's another way of doing positive anger expression. so not only can you do things, you can talk things out. i'm big on communication. >> >> does it feel that the world sometimes nickel axis, as black men especially, young black men, or pathologizes us, or put this in a certain corner? does it feel like the world kind of just pushes us to the side? >> oh definitely, it's, there is no margin of error for. >> actually being a big black men no matter how big my smile is, they already fill. it >> you have to be a st

signature outrage effort, and aimed at young man of -- which he launched in 2014 after the killing of trayvon martinlook like trey vote. >> we talk about becoming a, man and what that really means. >> describe a key positive expression. >> basically instead of lashing out, you can go and work out. you can do something like that. talk to guys. hit a punching bag instead of somebody. put that negative self destructing type of anger into something positive, something that you can benefit from. >> normally, what is the cause of the anger? that is another way of knowing positive anger expressions. not only can you do things, you can talk things out. i'm big on communication. >> does it feel that the world sometimes neglects us as blackmon a specially? young black man? or pathologize, us puts us in the certain corner? does it feel like the world kind of pushes it to the side? >> all, definitely. there's no margin for error for a black man. >> actually being a big black men with locks, no matter how big my smile is, there are already feeling away. >> the way you physically through move through the world --