and it's sad. >> charles, when you say that the system failed trayvon martin long before that shot was fired, what do you mean? >> i think that you have to look at all of the contributing factors here, including florida's self-defense laws, which allow someone to be an aggressor. if you assume that george zimmerman was an aggressor when he got out of his car. they allow you to be the aggress aggressor. and if you engage in a fight and you start to lose that fight, the idea of self-defense can switch personage. you had it first when i was following you and i engaged you. the moment that i start to lose it bounces from you to me. >> in my interview, the juror said that's what they looked at, what happened in those final minutes in that fight. he feared for his life. >> and that's a moral question. how is it possible that you could even write a law where you have no culpability? i'm not saying that if you feel like your life is about to be taken that you shouldn't do everything to preserve it. that's just a human thing. but you should have some culpability for starting this action. and th

and it's sad. >> charles, when you say that the system failed trayvon martin long before that shot was fired, what do you mean? >> i think that you have to look at all of the contributing factors here, including florida's self-defense laws, which allow someone to be an aggressor. if you assume that george zimmerman was an aggressor when he got out of his car. they allow you to be the aggressor. and if you engage in a fight and you start to lose that fight, the idea of self-defense can switch personage. you had it first when i was following you and i engaged you. the moment that i start to lose it bounces from you to me. >> in my interview, the juror said that's what they looked at, what happened in those final minutes in that fight. he feared for his life. >> and that's a moral question. how is it possible that you could even write a law where you have no culpability? i'm not saying that if you feel like your life is about to be taken that you shouldn't do everything to preserve it. that's just a human thing. but you should have some culpability for starting this action. and there's no

senior contributor of "the new york times" charles blow who writes the entire system failed trayvon martin longhis confrontation with george zimmerman, sunny hostin, ben crump, jeffrey toobin and newt gingrich, the former house speaker. and new host of "crossfire" right here. appreciate all of you being with us. i want to introduce everybody to a very special guest we have, raymond santana, one of the so-called central park five whose convictions were vacated. he was vindicated after serving so long. i'm so glad you're here. [ applause ] what's so extraordinary to me about your case, i grew up in new york city and i remember your picture being splashed in the papers. i remember the media who at that time i wasn't working for, talking about packs of wild kids, wilding through the park. and there was this drumbeat to get these young men, these five men convicted and the police did. they got confessions and convictions. you've seen the worst part of the criminal justice system. as you hear this conversation, what do you think? >> you know, it saddens me, it sickens me that we still go through this

oh, about how long trayvon martin would have lived after the gunshot.said in his testimony one to ten minutes. now he's changed his position from previous statements where he said one to three minutes. the defense is arguing the state knew about that change. they had an obligation to disclose that to the defense. they didn't do that. so it's a discovery violation. the judge said no, ruled against the defense. i want to emphasize the extraordinary testimony we just heard was outside the presence of the jury. they did not hear anything about the thc in trayvon martin's system. according to this judge, they're not going to hear about that. chris? >> why would the judge make a ruling that you wouldn't know the condition of trayvon martin at the time of the incident? why would that not be relevant to a juror's judgment. also, the question on how long he might have survived the shooting. why is that not something the judge wants the jury to hear? >> well, the jury has heard testimony about how long he survived after the shooting. the defense can inquire about

trayvon martin's fingernails looked like? >> i look at trayvon martin's body everywhere, everything. >> can you tell me what his fingernails looked like? and by that i mean, were they long were they cut off below the tip of the finger? >> i -- i told you, i don't remember. if i find something significant to my atteio write it down. anything i did not write down, i believe is not significant. >> right. so in other words, if it was significant to you, you wrote it down. >> yes. >> if it wasn't significant, you didn't. >> yes. >> but if you missed something, it wouldn't be there. >> objection. >> i will not miss anything. it's my job to not miss anything. i shouldn't miss anything. >> could you show me -- first of all, can you tell me what trayvon martin's fingernails looked like? >> i do not remember. >> can you tell me whether or not the act of scraping them is likely to be successful because they were long or short? >> i did not do that. i told you, i don't have memory. i do not have any fact. i have no opinion. >> so if i were to show you a picture of trayvon martin's fingernails, you wouldn't know whether or not they looked the same that day? >> the fingernail has to

trayvon martin's have long maintained -- you mentioned their tweets. >> i'm going to mention those two tweets from the father. >> even though i am broken hearted, my faith is unshattered, i will always love mis baby tray and his mother, she tweeted, lord, during my darkest hour, i lean on you, you are all that i have at the end of the day, god is still in control. >> she went on to say, i will love you forever, trayvon. >> the family's been urging calm, but they've long been doing that. >> thank you, shannon reporting live out of sanford florida tonight where it's very early in the morning. >>> and right now you're looking at a live shot from our partnership with abc 7 news. >> this is over protestors marching down what we believe to be mission street, or maybe that's 24th street. >> protestors? san francisco reacting to the zimmerman acquittal. >> we'll be back after the break . look at 'em. living on cloud nine with that u-verse wireless receiver. you see in my day, when my mom was repainting the house, you couldn't just set up a tv in the basement. i mean, come on! nope. we could on

some of the things that i would also like to talk with you about today is your opinion of how long trayvon martinay have been alive. and also, how long trayvon martin may have been conscious, if those are different opinions. >> they're different opinions, because you can be alive and unconscious. so, right, they're two separate things. >> we'll talk about that more. i also want to ask you some questions about the injuries that mr. zimmerman sustained that are reflected in the photographs taken by the sanford police department. did you have access to those photographs and the chance to review them? >> yes, sir, i did. >> i'll also want to talk with you a little about the injuries that you observed through photographs or through reviewing the autopsy, sustained by trayvon martin, in addition to the gunshot wound itself. so generally, that's the framework of what i would like you to talk about today. and let's more specifically talk about the gunshot itself. and the mechanics involved in that. i know you've already touched upon mechanics of what happens when a bullet is fired from a gun, when you ta

some of the things that i would also like to talk with you about today is your opinion of how long trayvon martin may have been alive, and also how long trayvon martin may have been conscious, if those are different opinions. >> they are different opinions because you can be alive and unconscious, so right. they are two separate things. >> we will talk about that more. i also want to ask you some questions about the injuries that mr. zimmerman sustained that are reflected in the photographs taken by the sanford police department. did you have access to those photographs and a chance to review them? >> yes, i did. >> i'll also want to talk with you a little about the injuries that you observed through photographs or through reviewing the autopsy sustained by trayvon martin, in addition to the gunshot wound itself. so, generally, that is the framework of what i'd like you to talk about today, and let's, more specifically, talk about the gunshot itself and the mechanics involved in that. i know you've already touched upon mechanics of what happens when a bullet is fired from a gun, when you talked a

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. >> that's how long trayvon martin had to run. about four minutes. from when he said he was running. that's how long. >> reporter: and before his final argument to the jury, mark o'mara hauled out a chunk of concrete. >> that's cement. that is sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home. >> reporter: having the last word before the jury headed off to deliberate -- >> it's not a case about self-defense. it's a case about self-denial. >> reporter: prosecutor john guy attacked zimmerman's account of the shooting, labeling them lies. as for those four minutes? >> four minutes is not the amount of time that trayvon martin had to run home. four minutes is the amount of time that trayvon martin had left on this earth. >> reporter: the prosecutor closed with a question to the jury. what if the roles were reversed that night? >> and if it was trayvon martin who had shot and killed george zimmerman, what would your verdict be? that's how you know it's not about race. >> reporter: the jury began deliberating about 2

. >> charles, when you say the system failed trayvon martin long before that shot was fired, what do> i think you have to look at all of the contributing factors here including florida's self-defense laws. which allow someone to be an aggressor. you know, if you assume that george zimmerman was an aggressor when he got out of his car, they allow you to be the aggressor. and if you engage in a fight and you start to lose that fight, the idea of self-defense can switch personage. you had it first when i was following you and i engaged you. the moment that i start to lose, it bounces from you to me. >> in my interview with the juror, she said that's all -- that's what they looked at. what happened in those final minutes in that fight. he feared for his life. >> right. >> so he was -- >> that's a moral question. how is it possible that you could even write a law where you have no culpability? i'm not saying that if you feel like your life is about to be taken that you shouldn't do everything to preserve it. that's just a human thing. but you have -- you should have some culpability for s

. >> that's how long trayvon martin had to run. about 4 minutes. he said he was running. that's how long. so we'll talk about who was doing what and when. chad, the first witness we talked to said he could probably throw a football from the back of his backyard and the t-intersection. we don't have evidence how far that was. but it gave insight. i'm not sure who plays football but this is where he was standing. this is where george's car was parked. this is the t-intersection. he said i could throw a football. he actually probably can't throw a football that far. but there are some good football players who probably could. he had 4 minutes, and he told rachel jeantel that he was running. we know for the most part what george is doing there. but since this is the state's case and not mine, did they show you, tell you, explain to you, do anything to tell you whatsoever on what trayvon martin was doing four minutes before that fight started at the t-intersection? do you have a doubt as to what happened and what trayvon martin was doing and what he must have been thinking for

point is that it's from george zimmerman's point of view, he was cold cocked in the nose by trayvon martin. as long as the defense can keep putting that story out there and perpetuating that story, yeah, it keeps them from talking about the fact that the nonemergency operator said to george zimmerman when he heard the door chimes of george zimmerman's car, he told him, we don't need you to do that. let's be clear that the telephone operator said on the stand that they do not, for liability issues, do not give orders to people who call that number. so, he said that they give suggestions and make suggestions for people to do or not do something. so, it's not a hard and fast police order, but i have to tell you, if i were to call a police department and a person on the other end from the police department said to me, we don't need you to do that, i wouldn't do it. >> i'm sure you would. lease, as we said, the court is in recess at the moment. tell us what's going to happen next when they come back in. where are we in proceedings terms? >> we are in the prosecution rebuttal indicate, the prosecution ha

. >> three weeks ago, about how long trayvon martin lived after sustaining the gunshot wounds. >> jamie is the relevance of how long trayvon survived after he was shot? >> it's not relevant. it would be relevant -- i never heard a medical examiner like him. he sounded like a loose cannon. he threw in there he was suffering up to ten minutes, which i find hard to believe. two ho heart, but we'll hear whether that is agreed to by the defense expert who happens to be the person who wrote the book, that this expert relied on. on top of that, he just volunteered that he was suffering for those ten minutes, when usually you only hear heinous and cruel for purposes of the death penalty. he changed his opinions that experts can't do before trial without notifying the other side because they have been deposed and relying on those opinions. he lived one to ten minutes -- and then opinions can be changed in an hour. so why should you trust the opinion he just gave? >> jamie: he said three weeks ago he did an autopsy 40-year-old shot in the heart by father. and this was real self-defense. i found t

decision came after a tense three-week trial. >> we automatically presume that trayvon martin was a criminal. >> after longut. >> finally in answer to the burning question, why did george zimmerman kill trayvon martin? was it murder, manslaughter or self-defense? >> the tale of how martin and zimmerman passed starts here in sanford, florida. a small bedroom community on the fringe of the world of -- orlando. it's a long way from the theme park crowds on a raw february night inside this gated community. >> this guy looks like he's up to no good or on drugs or something. >> that's the voice of george zimmerman and the guy he's talking about is trayvon martin. earlier, he bought an arizona drink and skittles. he was heading back to his father's home where he was spending a ten-day school suspension after getting busted on a pot-related offense. something the jurors never heard. the family says martin was a normal teenage kid with girls, rap music -- >> he was interested in flying planes. that fascinated him which led him to go to a program to try to pursue his career in aviation. >> is there one thing that yo

delivered an impromptu and personal speech about being black in america in the trayvon martin shooting. the bay area's long been a haven of acceptance but many say there is still a divide here. here's jody hernandez. >> reporter: 24 hours after the film's release a parallel tale of race, justice and homicide split the nation. >> reporter: harshaw has been grappling with emotion. the oakland native who covered the oscar grand case and attended the opening of the film. >> she was there too, grant's mom. >> reporter: dealing with disbelief, anger and us from traition following the acquittal of george zimmerman. >> i think that it hits home here in oakland because we've seen it time and time again. not just national lose. local news, family members, personal experiences. >> reporter: this week's massive demonstrations in oakland and across the country reflect the outrage many are feeling about the trayvon martin case and about the reality many people of color say they face every day. >> this could happen to any of us and every day it happens to many of us. >> reporter: akum who teaches sociology and african-am

trayvon martin in self-defense after being viciously attacked. >> reporter: in his closing arguments, defense attorney mark o'mara called for a moment of silence, then for a meinute, thn two, then more. >> that's how long trayvon martin had to run, about four minutes. when he said he was running, that's how long. >> reporter: then hauled out a chunk of concrete to show how martin used the sidewalk as a weapon. >> that's cement. that is a sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teen-ager with nothing but sk skittles trying to get home. >> prosecutor john guy attacked those four minutes. >> four minutes is not the amount of time that trayvon martin had to run home. four minutes is the amount of time that trayvon martin had left on this earth. >> and he closed with a question to the jury. what if the roles were reversed? >> and if it was trayvon martin who had shot and killed george zimmerman, what would your verdict be? that's how you know it's not about race. >> a look back there at some of the more memorable moments over the past few weeks here in sanford, florida. i heard lisa bloom a few moments ago talk about the idea, chris, of perhaps the top count being off the table, perhaps now manslaughter being

you have been sitting with the mother and father of trayvon martin all day long as they have watchedevidence and the blood of their scene being marched for the courtroom for everyone to see. >> it was tough on them. you may have noticed i asked them to take a break. they did take a break. they were right outside of the courtroom. very hard to sit there day after day and to listen to the testimony. as you know those same exhibits being paraded in front of them time and time again both on direct and cross examination. so they continue to endure -- >> you're a lawyer and these are lawyers. and those florida department of law enforcement investigators, this is their life blood, this is every day. they deal with evidence all the time. but sabrina and tracy are parents. this is the kind of thing that many of us may forget in a courtroom there is a real life drama playing out here. holly let me go to you. i want to play something that happened in court before the hoodie and sweat shirt came out. it is a significant moment in the trial. it highlights how much education george zimmerman had i

ticking by to show the jury the length of time he said martin had to escape after he spotted george zimmerman watching him. >> that's how long trayvon martin had to run. about four minutes. >> reporter: instead of running, he said martin tried to confront zimmerman that night and showed a 3-d animation of martin punching zimmerman in the nose. >> there's the shot to the nose. >> reporter: a repeated tactic by o'mara in the courtroom, outright disbelief at the prosecution's case. >> seriously? really? really? come on. really? i almost wish that the verdict had guilty, not guilty, and completely innocent. because i would ask you to check that one. >> reporter: the prosecution delivered a strongly worded rebuttal, saying trayvon martin's blood is on george zimmerman's hands. >> that child had every right to be afraid of a strange man following him. first in his car, and then on foot. and did that child not have the right to defend himself? from that strange man? >> reporter: that child, according to the prosecution, but a dangerous teenager according to the defense. >> that's cement. that is a sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teena

ticking by to show the jury the length of time he said martin had to escape after he spotted george zimmerman watching him. >> that's how long trayvon martin had to run, about four minutes. >> reporter: instead of running, o'mara said martin decided to confront zimmerman that night and used a 3 d animation showing him purging zimmerman to the nose. a repeated out take. >> seriously? really? really? come on. really? i real most wish the verdict had guilty, not guilty and completely innocent because i would ask you to check for that one. >> reporter: the prosecution deliver add strongly-worded rebuttal saying trayvon martin's blood is on george zimmerman's hands. >> that child had every right to be afraid of a strange man following him, first in his car and then on foot and did that child not have the right to defend himself from that strange man? >> reporter: that child according to the prosecution, but a dangerous teenager according to the defense. >> but that's cement. that is the sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home, and the suggestion by the state that that's not a weapon, tha

. >> protests in support of trayvon martin happening all morning long. melanie is live with more this morning. >> good morning, sarah. there are calls for the justice department to purss ue civil rights charges against civil rights charges against him. it would be difficult to prove he attacked because of his race. it's the issue of the verdict that has many still stinging. howard university one of those pre protesters. students members of thehe community to call on federal officials to take the next step. the jam is weighing the evidence. other supporters looked for anteswers at church. at the community of hope baptist church the reverend declared it hoody sunday. they are wrestling with the impact on the verdict on the young people they council. we have to deal with the injustice. we grieve with the family but i all of that, i still that i this even if there's injustice the i hope is that it helps people to be it helps people to think thee can mobilize to prevent injustice. >> what am i supposed to tell them they are going to the worle thinking they ar

filled with conflicting accounts and questions over the confrontation that left trayvon martin shot dead and that will linger long after the verdict. >> we believe that we brought out the truth on behalf of trayvon martin. >> i think the prosecution of george zimmerman was disgraceful. >> this morning analysis of the jury's decision and how are trayvon martin's parents reacting to the verdict and what is their next move? we'll ask their attorney, benjamin crump, in a live interview "today," sunday, july 14, 2013. >>> good morning, everyone. welcome to "today" on this busy sunday morning. i'm lester holt. >> and i'm kate snow alongside jenna wolfe and diylan dreyer. erica hill has the morning off. >>> the verdict was read just after 10:00 p.m. eastern time last night. this case has captivated people across the kcountry. as you can imagine there was emotional reaction to the jury's decision both outside the courthouse and all across the country as well as on social media which just lit up with responses both for and against the verdict. we will have complete coverage in just a moment. >>> also, sad news this mornin

trayvon martin. also, today, a judge denied the request to throw out the case. nbc bay area jay gray has the details of the longd emotionally charged day. >> reporter: testimony with trayvon martin's mother. listening to what she told jurors were the cries of his help the night he was killed. >> do you think he is yelling help? >> yes. >> what -- >> ma'am, that screaming or yelling. do you recognize that? >> yes. >> and who do you recognize that to be, ma'am? >> trayvon martin. >> as a mom, you certainly hope that your son trayvon martin would not do anything to lead to his death? >> what i hope for is this would never have happened and he would still be here. that is my hope. >> reporter: fulton also told jurors he believes it was his younger brother on the phone. pointing out he initially told a reporter he wasn't sure who was screaming. >> i have been listening to it. i was clouded by shock and denial and sadness. i did not want to believe that was him. >> reporter: next, testimony shifted from the emotions of martin's family to the technical aspects of the medical examiner's case. >> two holes on the right

trayvon martin. on cross-examination the defense was trying to suggest to the jury that the step brother didn't live with trayvon martin for very longidn't to use their terminology hang together have much so he would not have been able to really recognize the voice of trayvon martin in that 911 call screaming for help. at least that's what the defense tried to suggest. the mother sybrina fulton back on the witness stand. take a listen. we don't know quite quite what's going on. the camera is on the mother. this is a side bar conference that's going on. counsel have approached the bench to talk to the judge about something or other. but back with our panel, mark eiglarsh and ann marie mcavoy, mark, the defense did a pretty good job with the step brother, didn't they? >> yes. without question. at first this conclusion was without cross-examination that was my brother. then we said wait a second. you told the reporter you weren't sure. so now, you know, what merit is there to his testimony really? >> gregg: i wonder why the mother has been recalled to the witness stand. >> i think they are probably trying to somehowific the problems th

trayvon martin, correct? >> yes. >> tracy wasn't living there at that point? >> no. >> when you say you considered tracy martin to be your dad he left the home a long time ago, correct? >> yes. they got -- >> how old were you when he left the home? >> 9 or 10. >> and trayvon martin? >> might have been 5. >> the two of you didn't really hang out, did you? you and trayvon martin. >> yes. it depends what you're talking about. >> you didn't have the same friends, correct? >> no. >> if you were to go out somewhere you may have gone out to do something with your friends and he may have gone out with his friends. >> correct. >> as brothers you said you would do things together. you didn't run in the same circles, did you? >> no. >> you didn't interact with him on facebook. >> not really, no. >> nor on twitter. >> no. >> but you did interact with your other friends and on the social media sites, correct? >> occasionally, yes. >> may i have a moment, your honor? >> you may. >> when tracy martin left the home he got remarried, didn't he? >> some years later, yes. >> was trayvon martin spending -- the new wife was alicia, correct? >> yes. >> did you spend a lot of time with yo

ticking by to show the jury the length of time he said martin had to escape after he spotted george zimmerman watching him. >> that's how long trayvon martin had to run, about four minutes. >> reporter: instead of running, o'mara said martin decided to confront zimmerman that night and used a 3 d animation showing him purging zimmerman to the nose. a repeated out take. >> seriously? really? really? come on. really? i real most wish the verdict had guilty, not guilty and completely innocent because i would ask you to check for that one. >> reporter: the prosecution deliver add strongly-worded rebuttal saying trayvon martin's blood is on george zimmerman's hands. >> that child had every right to be afraid of a strange man following him, first in his car and then on foot and did that child not have the right to defend himself from that strange man? >> reporter: that child according to the prosecution, but a dangerous teenager according to the defense. >> but that's cement. that is the sidewalk. and that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home, and the suggestion by the state that that's not a weapon, tha

about george zimmerman. >> the fact that they began this investigation in march of 2012 not long after trayvon martin was killed why haven't they done anything about it now? why are they talking about oh we are going to look at it now. they have been looking at it for a year and a half. >> when evidences charged by the state and they began a prosecution they then sat back in the civil rights division to watch what happened. now that he has been found not guilty they are going to find any excuse they can to try to indict them federally into the civil rights. >> i am going to go to you now. last night in sanford it was relatively quiet outside of the courthouse after the verdict. you and i were both there. tonight there seems to be a lot of reaction across the country. my question to you now is the stand your ground laws. do you think that the fact that george zimmerman did not use stand your ground indicates that he is basically admitting that he didn't have a right to do that? >> well, i mean, look, he didn't use the procedure that is called in florida stand your ground which is a pretrial procedure.

about george zimmerman. >> the fact that they began this investigation in march of 2012 not long after trayvon martiny haven't they done anything about it now? why are they talking about oh we are going to look at it now. they have been looking at it for a year and a half. >> when evidences charged by the state and they began a prosecution they then sat back in the civil rights division to watch what happened. now that he has been found not guilty they are going to find any excuse they can to try to indict them federally into the civil rights. >> i am going to go to you now. last night in sanford it was relatively quiet outside of the courthouse after the verdict. you and i were both there. tonight there seems to be a lot of reaction across the country. my question to you now is the stand your ground laws. do you think that the fact that george zimmerman did not use stand your ground indicates that he is basically admitting that he didn't have a right to do that? >> well, i mean, look, he didn't use the procedure that is called in florida stand your ground which is a pretrial procedure. but in as muc

examiner who conducted the autopsy, for basically the past 15 months, his determination on how long trayvon martin lived after the gunshot, before being pronounced dead or being totally deceased, was between one and three minutes. today he testified, well, it could have been between one and ten minutes, which the defense thought was awfully big jump suddenly to make. he explained it by saying he did another autopsy three weeks ago of a similar case where somebody was shot in the heart, and now he gives that wider time frame. but on redirect, the prosecutor, did get the doctor to say, well, without a doubt, no matter what it was one minute or ten minutes can it was not survivable for trayvon martin. he also revealed on the stand as well that the point distance between the muzzle of the handgun of george zimmerman and trayvon martin was not direct contact, as he had indicated in his previous report. he now says it was either .04-inches to four feet away from the chest of trayvon martin. but this is what he did tell the court and the jury was paying quite a bit of attention at this mention, regarding

di maio on how long trayvon martin could have been conscious after this bullet. >> if i, right now, reached across and put my hand through your chest, grabbed your heart and ripped it out you could stand there and talk to me for ten to 15 seconds or walk over to me. because the thing that is controlling your movement and ability to speak is the brain. and that has a reserve supply of ten to 15 seconds. >> ken patowitz, what was the net effect of his testimony about what trayvon martin was physically capable of after that bullet entered his body? >> well, it was very effective, because the defense was trying to show how trayvon martin could have moved his hand under his body and support george zimmerman's account of what happened. but the problem is, like all experts, that some people may say was a cocky statement by the expert. because the prosecution would say how many people have had their hearts ripped out and walk down the street? and you could ask six more questions like that to expose the fact this doctor is going too far. extending himself too far, and calling his credibility, some o

long four minutes can be. the reason why it was so important. the four minute period was between the period when trayvon martin said that he was going to run home to on the cell phone. that was how long between that and shooting. a four-minute period. and if you sort of know the scene, you know it probably would have taken less than a minute to run home. so the suggestion or the inference the defense lawyer is trying to get the jury to understand rather than running home like he said he was, which would be someone who is frightened that he stayed there, lingered perhaps in the shadows and that he then attacked george zimmerman first that he was then the aggressor which would then open the door for a a self-defense. that's the first time i had looked at that four-minute period and seen how the defense was trying to draw an inference from it and they used silence to just to show you how long four minutes is. >> harris: i love the way you break it down. i had said earlier with one of our reporters it just kind of felt awkward for a minute there you couldn't really figure out what to do during those four minute long silences. i quickly, before i let

and sat there with the jury and four minutes is a long time when you sit there silently and the defense attorney saying this is the time that trayvon martin could have run home. one word, compelling. i was listening, what is this for four minutes. that is how long trayvon martin had to go home. wow, that does it for me. as much as you talk about things and facts in the courtroom, to slow it down like that and take one fact and live it out in the courtroom is veryective. >> the prosecutor reboughted that. that was not four minutes that trayvon martin had to run home, that was the last four minutes of trayvon martin's life. nwhich way to go with the juroror. >> i would give that to the defense. they brought it up and it was effective and the prosecutions rebutted that, but four minutes, you can't unring that bell. ncomputer animation was not allowed in trial but allowed in the closing arguments. >> and for this closing argument it worked. if you listened from start to finish, omaralaid out how this probably happen and he closed all of the gaps that the prosecutions never closed. >> except that juror's are smart. they may not know the rowels

that's how long trayvon martin had to run. about four minutes. the state told you that he had no decisions. they dared to tell you that trayvon martin had no decisions, that my client planned this. really? four minutes. four minutes of planning. and they want you to ignore it. i guess it could be part of the mastermind criminal behavior he learned in community college. i guess it could have been, but let me tell you, if you have a doubt as to whether or not that's true, you need to tell the state don't ever come back before us again in a case like this. don't ever do this to us. because what we really have is what i said a while ago. we have fak shul innocence. where's that piece of evidence? where is one shred of evidence to support the absurdity that they're trying to have you buy? one. mr. guy can tell you about it when he closes, if it's there. it's an easy decision, and i don't say that out of hubris or ego. i'm saying it because of the facts of the case. you look at these facts, you look at all this evidence and you have to say, i have a re

trayvon martin. >> a 17-year-old boy is the reason so many san francisco residents gathered. they are angry trayvon martin is dead and george zimmerman is a free man. >> as long as we live in a society that justifies george zimmerman, we've got work to do. >> the injustice in florida is a threat to all of us. >> san francisco's naacp organized tonight's peaceful rally. the message was clear. many african-americans in san francisco feel mistreated and abandoned by a system they called broken. >> san francisco is no different from florida. it is no different from jackson, mississippi. racism is alive here in san francisco. >> san francisco's naacp is leading the charge for a civil suit to be filed against george zimmerman. in san francisco, lisa amin gulezian, abc7 news. >>> the trayvon martin case happened to intersect with the second anniversary of the controversial police shooting in san francisco. abc7 news reporter john alston has more on the latest attempt to disrupt muni. >> for about 15 minutes they shutdown the muni line. three street cars and a bus couldn't move at all at the start of the evening commute. they came to remember kenneth harding. he was

trayvon martin. >> a 17-year-old boy is the reason so many san francisco residents gathered. they are angry trayvon martin is dead and george zimmerman is a free man. >> as long as we live in a society that justifies george zimmerman, we've got work to do. >> the injustice in florida is a threat to all of us. >> san francisco's naacp organized tonight's peaceful rally. the message was clear. many african-americans in san francisco feel mistreated and abandoned by a system they called broken. >> san francisco is no different from florida. it is no different from jackson, mississippi. racism is alive here in san francisco. >> san francisco's naacp is leading the charge for a civil suit to be filed against george zimmerman. in san francisco, lisa amin gulezian, abc7 news. >>> the trayvon martin case happened to intersect with the second anniversary of the controversial police shooting in san francisco. abc7 news reporter john alston has more on the latest attempt to disrupt muni. >> for about 15 minutes they shutdown the muni line. three street cars and a bus couldn't move at all at the start of the evening commute. they came to remember kenneth harding. he was

trayvon martin. >> a 17-year-old boy is the reason so many san francisco residents gathered. they are angry trayvon martin is dead and george zimmerman is a free man. >> as long as we live in a society that justifies george zimmerman, we've got work to do. >> the injustice in florida is a threat to all of us. >> san francisco's naacp organized tonight's peaceful rally. the message was clear. many african-americans in san francisco feel mistreated and abandoned by a system they called broken. >> san francisco is no different from florida. it is no different from jackson, mississippi. racism is alive here in san francisco. >> san francisco's naacp is leading the charge for a civil suit to be filed against george zimmerman. in san francisco, lisa amin gulezian, abc7 news. >>> the trayvon martin case happened to intersect with the second anniversary of the controversial police shooting in san francisco. abc7 news reporter john alston has more on the latest attempt to disrupt muni. >> for about 15 minutes they shutdown the muni line. three street cars and a bus couldn't move at all at the start of the evening commute. they came to rememr kenneth harding. he was th

about this national debate isn't the word, national clash of ideas about the trayvon martin case, it's that we still have a long way to go and i think the president very appropriately highlighted a lot of that yesterday as only a president of the united states can. >> did you think that trayvon martin got justice? >> i trust the judgment of a jury of his peers, of individuals. i can't second guess. no one that i know of has said that this case was flawed, that it was corrupt, that there was anything wrong with the system of justice. >> but you understand how it could be seen as the president talked about through a prism of the history of injustice. absolutely. and i can see that the stand your ground law may be something that needs reviewed by the legislatu legislature. obviously a lot of things need to come up for review. but to somehow condemn the verdict of the jury, you would have to show me where the jury was corrupted in any way. >> do you think the stand your ground law in arizona is worth looking at again? >> i think that, yes, i do. and i'm confident that the members of the arizona legislature will. an

. >>> that's how long trayvon martin had to run. about four minutes. when he said he was running, that's how long. so let's talk about who was doing what and when. chad, first we talked to, said he could probably throw a football from the back of the backyard to the t in the intersection. we don't have evidence from the state to how far away. i don't know who plays fob around here, but nonetheless, this is where he was staying. this is where george's car was parked. this is the t-intersection, and chad could throw -- he actually probably can't throw it, because it's a little further than that, but there are some good football players who probably could. he had four minutes. he told rachel jeantel that he was running. but since this is the state's case and not mine, did they show you, tell you, explain to you, any insight whatsoever on what trayvon martin was doing four minutes before that fight started at the t-intersection? do you have a do about what trayvon martin and what he must have been thinking for four minutes? >> ladies and gentlemen, if you w

the issue of whether trayvon martin felt pain or not has to do with consciousness. how long was he conscious and feeling pain. so there's a lot of confusion here. the testimony was just awful. you could go unconscious in a minute or two, remain alive theoretically because there's still electrical activity in the brain. >> mark, what did you make of this witness? he was reading from his notes, which i haven't seen any other witness do and, frankly, does that help the credibility of somebody that they don't know the case well enough that they're reading from their notes? >> if i understood correctly, he said he changed his opinion because he came across another case that had a longer shelf life so to speak. >> somebody who was alive for ten minutes. >> for ten minutes. therefore, he went back and changed his opinion. by the way, without giving anybody any notice except the prosecutor, once again which tends to be the theme of the prosecution in this case in a trial by ambush. what i made of this witness was he was just trying to tailor his testimony to what his pay masters, th