we need to do is post our election and have our version of trc where the wrong doers created this mess and started the healing process. here i was reaching for the example. what's your stance of the power that was so present in that decision to establish this truth and reconciliation? >> you don't even have to dig deep. it's really what it achieved on purpose. truth, reconciliation. reconciling is very different. not everyone will forgive you for what you have done or be forced to forgive. it's tough to be in a world where police have killed your loved ones or hidden the reasons and therefore the family members kidnapped them and disposed of their bodies. reconciling is up to each individual. you cannot prescribe that. the powerful importance that we have and what truth in south africa was, during the trc, the truth had to come out. it couldn't be swept under the rug. it couldn't be forgotten. it had to be a discussion that was had. it had to be people sitting on and those that worked for the police. both black and white. black people don't remember that. black people worked under the

. >> i am very concerned about the proposal from the administration to privatiz potentiallye air trcontrol. unless you are a near traveler from one of the largest airports in the country, this is a plan that will be harmful to you as a traveler. for a handful of big cities, privatizing air traffic control means less service. the decisions made about where the investment goes would be made by a 13-person board, generally with airlines being most involved, and airlines are naturally going to make decisions about investing in air traffic control in the places that have large airports and lots of travelers. soledad: places like new york city where we can go to newark or laguardia or kennedy, all disasters, as a side note -- they are all a mess right now -- those are going to be the focus, you believe, of airlines because they make tons of money off the number of people who go through those airports. >> airlines are going to be looking for volume. soledad: when we look at the big, overall agenda, health care, immigration, the wall, now infrastructure, it seems like something that should h

i believe the buckeye state has given everything like trc uniquely positioned to test and rapidly deploy these technologies. i may ask you, what role of support to our safety-making agencies, such as nihtsa, do you see these improving rounds play and how can the committee or this department best equip them to carry out the work to deploy the autonomous vehicles? >> these proving grounds are very popular and the last administration a few days prior to his departure had issued sort of like a good housekeeping -- a seal to about ten proving grounds. we're in the process of looking at all of that. what i hear, actually, from major automotive manufacturers and other entrepreneurial entities that deal with autonomous vehicles is that they are going to australia. they're going to other countries where there's much less regulations that govern how they are to test, where they are to test and under what circumstances. so i don't think the issue is which state gets these proving grounds. the issue is how do we make the whole united states more open while respecting the regulations that we have rat