treason is defined in the constitution. it is not treason.ost: or you think this should become common practice from this that if an intelligence official criticizes them, they should be able to pull their security clearance? caller: our nation is changing. i remember when i was younger in the 1960's, the intelligence services were there, but they didn't say much. maybe it is better now. you can'ter hand, have the head of the service accusing the president of treason. you can't have him doing other things that he's done. to have somebody who voted communist in charge of the cia is insane. -- we all freedoms know the ussr was our main enemy. for him to vote that way with what we know about the communist party and what they stood for and their beliefs, it's just unbelievable. host: thank you. calling fromen beaumont, texas. caller: good morning. thank you so much for c-span. -- very fortunate to have when my family first came to the east coast -- when i take a look at this and reflection to the rest of the third world countries and what i'm seei

lawmaker in jail says he was tortured in prison faces charges of treason we take a closer look at the former pop star taking on who got this political elite and we'll hear from his lawyer also on the program. for fast food fresh anti immigrant protests tonight after days of violent confrontation we'll hear from chemists residents and ask what is a doing to calm the escalating situation. welcome to the program. united nations outgoing human rights chief says he's deeply concerned about allegations that ugandan all thoughts he's tortured lol make a body wine and several other politicians while they were being detained on charges of treason cases touched a nerve in the country a high profile challenger to uganda's longtime president yoweri museveni he was arrested in august after stones were thrown at the president's convoy he was released on back in this week on crutches. julia. reports on how ugandans a venting their frustration over the case and what they make of the man taking on uganda's political elite. for to see uganda's capital kampala. the focus of the be more stringent this mo

and that's why i said it was nothing short of treasonous. i didn't mean that he committed treason. but it was a term that i used, nothing short of treasonous. >> but you didn't mean that he committed treason, though. >> i said it's nothing short of treasonous, that's the term i used, yeah. >> if we diagram the sentence, nothing short means it's treason. i mean, the reason i'm bringing this out is because when you say, i know what the russians did and when you knowing what the russians did observing the president's behavior, you go to the word treason, it suggests that you think that the president may be serving a foreign country rather than our own. >> well, yeah. i think he has crossed the line repeatedly in terms of his failure to fulfill the responsibility of the office. and to look putin square in the eye and say, this should never, ever happen again. >> do you think that he is knowingly serving the interest of the russian government instead of the u.s. government? >> i scratch my head a lot. i'm puzzled over why mr. trump acts this way with such obsequy ness to mr. putin. i do

treason we use colloquially to describe treacherous behavior. it doesn't always mean the constitutionally defined crime for which you may be punished with death. similarly, yes. i mean -- >> you don't think brennan meant that, then? you don't think brennan meant it that way legally? you don't? >> i'm saying he couldn't have meant that because treason has a very specific statutory definition. it means you are working with or giving aid or comfort to an enemy, a declared enemy. russia may be a competitor. russia may be not playing fair. russia may be liar, liar, pants on fire, but they are not an enemy as that is defined for the crime of troin. so i think there is no way that john brennan meant treason as a crime as defined by our statutes. going forward as somebody who can observe collusion to some degree, we've said this many, many times. we can focus on the word "collusion" all we like. the fact that it doesn't have a real significant meaning in the criminal code doesn't mean anything because it might be conspiracy. it might be accomplice liabi

because in the end power treason treason is and then power lies the truth is treason so when people blurt out the treason on the internet it's not like they're saying something mean and ugly. things challenging the status quo is what they can't stand and nervous them so they have to silence people so it's more likely for an individual like myself to be silenced because i represent a challenge to the says quote but if anybody understands our first amendment the first amendment isn't there to talk about the whether the first amendment is there for us to be able to challenge our government but if we do that now whether it's direct regulation from the government or indirectly through social media we have a real challenge i'm just hoping that technology can stay ahead of it all and that we can have alternatives to the dependency on twitter and these other companies that have been working hand in glove with the government. some critics are saying that these poll new. these are twitter exposed as being a project to the democratic party do you think there's any truth to that. yeah well you know o

, which sounds to me like treasonous. >> treasonous is defined as a betrayal of trust as well as aidingnd abetting the enemy so that was the word that came to my mind. >> tucker: things are accelerating fast. trump is a racist became trump is a traitor which has now become trumped is a nonperson who must be erased from our collective memory. the left is officially out of epithets. all that's left is physical harm. who will be the first to call for that? it feels inevitable at this point. mark steyn is an author and columnist and he joins us tonight. so what do you make of a knowledge in the mark? >> i think this is rather like the famous episode of dallas where they rode off an entire season as not having gone anywhere and pam ewing stepped into the shower and there was bobby ewing, who was supposed to be dead, restored to life. and robert reich seems to basically be proposing the same solution, that he will step into the shower and there will be president hillary clinton magnificently. i hope that's not a bit too vivid for you. as i was halfway through that image it got a bit too vivid

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short of treasonous. >> you didn't mean that he committed treason, though? >> i said it's nothing short of treasonous. the term i used. >> if we diagrammed the sentence, it means it's treason. i mean, the reason i'm bringing this out is because when you say, i know what the russians did, and when you know, knowing what the russians did observing the president's behavior go to the word treason, it suggests you think the president may be -- serving a foreign country rather than our own? >> well, yeah. i think he has crossed the line repeatedly in terms of his failure to fulfill the responsibility of the office. and to look putin square in the eye and say, this should never, ever happen again. >> how do you think john brennan explained himself there in that? did he justify his use of the word treasonous? >> well, he justified his thoughts that he believes in his personal view that the president is serving a different country, or a different purpose, but whether or not he specifically addressed the issue of the word treason particularly, i'm not so sure. that wa

treason though? >> i said it was nothing short of treason. >> so nothing short shoof treas means that it is treason. when you say i know what the russians did. and knowing what the russians did observing the president's behavior, you go to the word treason suggests that you think the president may be serving a foreign country rather than our own. >> well, yeah. i think he has crossed the line repeatedly in terms of his failure to fulfill the responsibility of the office. and to look vladimir putin square in the eye and say this should never happen again. >> so john, brennan has gotten a fair amount of criticism for that word treasonous. rachel gave him an opportunity to explain it. how did he do? >> not so well. i think that was a bit of a dance there. i think that what brennan was trying to say, and it is nothing short of treasonous, was a term of art. it sounds as if he is trying to communicate that he wasn't saying this was treason, but it was kind of right up to it or getting into that zone. and

accused of treason again a pop star and opposition leader. charges amid protest over his arrest. into its controversial land expropriation plans plus. some of the misinformation that's been put about lately some reassurance. government plans to keep medicine and food coming in they can't get a deal. the united nations has urged latin american countries to ease entry for venezuelans flinging deepening economic crisis but then is concerned about new passport and border entry controls in ecuador and peru more than four hundred twenty thousand venezuelans have entered. for this year with many planning to continue south to peru hundreds of thousands of others have been in or in colombia and brazil and israel is struggling with hyperinflation economic recession and shortage is essential goods we have reporters and border areas brazil peru and colombia first let's go to our latin america under the sea newman who is in caracas. but we are beginning to see here at an open air market in the capital some activity some economic activity since president. announced a major real haul of the cur

he basically said his actions were nothing short of treasonou treasonous. and she's looking at him going, nothing short of treason, but not treason. so you are seeing rachel maddow, clapper and cnn, backing away from brennan who is like that guy on the subway flinging at the families. but most of america doesn't care about that stuff and i say this a lot. if america were this vast amusement park with all these wonderful things you can do, right now the media is in the tiniest corner of that amusement park on the teacups going around and around. meanwhile everyone else is enjoying space mountain. the only reason why the story exists is because the times that we lived in right now which is we have peace breaking out all of her, and economic boom, we don't have enough people to fill jobs so we have this carnival sideshow on every show because there's nothing else to talk about. it's basically a good thing. >> that is real and, even if you don't it's going to hate you. >> i was in the rural south for ten days and this is what i heard. why does a professional po

blind the ugandan the party using turned opposition politician is imported in the face charges of treason we take a closer look at the madness trying to take on the country's political elite. and the caste system and they are long been a source of social inequality we need the women working for change. i'm serious almost kind of good to have you with us italy is stepping up pressure on its european partners to take more migrants rescued at sea italy's defense minister elizabeth are trying to announce that she'll ask fellow e.u. defense ministers to rotate the ports of migrants disembark at calling on other countries to share the load the e.u. says joint naval mission in the mediterranean operation sophia was created to target people smuggling but it's rescued thousands of people since its launch in two thousand and fifteen and under current rules operation sophia brings all of those rescued to italy rome says that practice is no longer acceptable and want to change or else it could stop accepting migrants. well european defense ministers are meeting in vienna today for the second day of t

challenge for the crime and treason is a capital offense the tracks of death penalty and. he says child that must not make it must be a child based on concrete evidence or community in the instance case we have not yet seen any credible evidence to suggest in the very least that probably why on and yet accused persons were working in the absence of treason so the chinese are really laughable i think that they don't fall apart but you so now you're above you i was supposed to attend court today but didn't say will he appear for his next court date. or why it is commuted to attending to this trial. cordwainer quacked you know here today because he was attending to a medical doctor because ever since his release he's been unwell. suffering from the effects of the torture method against him well and so he was attending to boston doctor who was caring not just him and at the next court hearing of the pastoral talk about. what you can. and let's talk about the these injuries or what we're seeing pictures of of bobby wind on crutches what do you say happened to him but no one was

it made it treasonous in your view?ve people have other countries come in and do opposition research. you just had to get down there and drill down on it, as we did when i took over the campaign on that monday. i was now ceo of the campaign. on that monday, the first day we took over, we put out i think a statement from then candidate trump that was about paul manafort when manafort was i think getting ready to resign and we mentioned clinton cash. >> by your standard it is that knowledge of the foreign offer of help? >> well, not the foreign offer of help. i think it is even just trying to do something like that. >> if donald trump knew about that, then he was in on treasonous behavior in your standard? >> no. look. it hasn't been proven he knows anything about it. we don't know anything about it. >> but you said -- >> he has denied knowing anything about it. >> you said there is zero chance donald jr. didn't tell him. >> you have to take michael cohen for michael cohen. you don't know what he's doing with federal auth

. >> we have the issue of tremendotreeason, whes treason treezon and can you unring the treason bell?wishes he could unring the bell. my guess is that he wishes he said approaching treason. you get the chance that he's tryingo unring the treason bell. this is what the president is, i think, so effective at. he knows how to pick his foils. where he finds people that, ere it makes his opponent so that he knows his opponent aren't crazy. we know that many on the left are not fon of brennan, and he makes it harder for his opponents to stand by someone. some will say john brennan took the bait at times. but j thinkn brennan is thinking of filing a lawsuit on behalf ofhe . look, we have never had a president do this. is he doing this to tryar to their ability unfairly to get a job. if you have your security cli s clearance pulled, it's like saying, how do you explain that? it could prohibit them from working in the private sector. s is he considering this not just for himself? >> it sounds like if thinks he can be helpful to creating ae injunction to prevent himt from doingo the other nine

they say treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors. even larry tribe says you can't look at the framers. almost nobody thought about these provisions. there was no debate in the state legislatures and you don't look at the intent of one or two people. you look at the intent of the understanding. and you can't get much out of that at all so you have to look at the text and here's an interesting example. he quotes justice scalia. when you see things together you have to see what they have in common so he cites the following example. joe dimaggio and other great competitors. you want to say sam walton is included on the list has a great competitor but the list is obviously limited to great athletic competitors. what do the terms treason, bribery and other high crimes and misdemeanors have in common? they are all crimes. the other is called leniency that means when you are construing statute or the provision that has a punitive impacts, you have to construe it in the narrow possible way with all doubts resolved against a broad application.

now the treason accusation, i think, russia isn't the enemy at the moment. was president obama who mocks the very idea that russia was even a sort of geopolitical rival of any kind. though we are not at war with russia, the idea that that is actually possible, rising to the level of treason is faintly observed. but i think -- it's the need to delegitimize command, a couple of cycles ago that just meant mocking the other guy is being stupid and being unworthy of it and all the rest of it. but it's actually gone on to something far more dangerous, which is actually delegitimizing the entireaceg system. when you have major political figures saying that, in effect, the peaceful transfer of power is not possible, we can't possibly happen, and therefore if it does happen it's a legitimate. it's not so much this or that president that they are delegitimizing, but actually the very possibility of civilized self-government by the people. >> tucker: exactly. so if suppose that adults on the left, reich and brennan, and they are talking themselves into this frenzy wher

saying that the president committed treason is pretty tough. the extent that the president has discretion, i don't think you should be surprised that it is used against him, even though it is not, to do so. when he gets his lawyers, other than hoping for some kind of friendly trump kind of ruling, i don't think he has legal leg to stand on to get his parents back as a former security director. >> neil: i get that, but there were over 5 million such security variances granted to americans today. the defense department, contractors, those who work as contractors at government contract facilities, it is courtesy for top security officials beyond that, who polices that? are there numbers where someone says this has getting -- >> i'm not sure how much it is policed. a lot of former employees maintain clearance and use it in their private sector jobs. they get renewed just like everyone else every five years. >> neil: is the automatic? speak up when you get it renewed there is a new background check. i frequently have former colleagues from thebi cal

best known face of the ugandan opposition bobby wine is in custody once again facing a charge of treason which carries the death penalty the singer who became an m.p. last year has been a strong critic of president yarima seventy who's been in power since one thousand nine hundred eighty six his arrest last week led to widespread protests and a crackdown by state forces and when he showed up in court on thursday why showed signs of injuries his supporters say that he was beaten while in military custody well we have a lot to discuss with our guests but first this report from catherine saw in the ugandan capital kampala. this is the man many ugandans had been wanting to see the view wine of popular musician and member of parliament appeared at a military court in the north and town of good looking weak and in pain he had been in military cassidy since last wednesday he was arrested following vallance in local election campaigns in the north after presidential in the seventies mottaki it was attacked the state withdrew their military leaders charges of possession of firearms and ammunition

the headlines on al-jazeera ugandan pop star and opposition leader bobby wine has been charged with treason he was rearrested just moments after a military court dropped weapons charges against him winds and actual detention last week sparked widespread protests the government denies he was beaten in custody catherine so why has more from the capital kampala. expected to. before the high court on the thirtieth of this month. after the. election. to take the magistrate. he's. allowed unfettered access to. south africa's president says he rejects. on land reform in south africa the us president ordered a study and to follow and what he called the large scale killing of farmers citing a fox news story one of south africa's biggest. killings at a twenty year alone. the u.k. government has released its contingency plan in the event of russian leave the e.u. without a deal the breaks that secretary warm versions may have to pay more for credit card payments in the e.u. and e.u. businesses could be cut off from u.k. investment banks china and the u.s. are imposing twenty five percent taxes on sixt

the president committed treason? treason? come on. >> jason: well, brennan may want to be careful because it's not just trump's allies that are criticizing him now. >> there are intelligence officials who are uncomfortable with how far brennan has gone. >> i think john is sort of like a freight train and he's going to say what's on his mind. i think, though, that the common denominator among all of us that have been speaking out, though, is genuine concern about the jeopardy or threats to our institutions and values. although we may express that in different ways. i think that is what this really is about. but john and his rhetoric have become, i think, an issue in and of itself. >> jason: yeah, it has become an issue. joining me now are dan hoffman, fox news contributor, former cia station chief, chris swecker, former assistant fbi director, and roger fisk, former aide to secretary of state john kerry, and a democratic strategist. roger, i want to go to your first. i will give you the first shot at this. treason? do we reall

he is now facing charges of treason.his report on how ugandans are venting their frustrations over the case and what they think of the man who is taken on uganda's political elite. >> protests in uganda's capital. the focus of the demonstration is bobby wine, demanding his release. heold dw about his role in uganda's politics. >> nobody shshould look at me aa memessiah are a solution. i'm just part of the puzzle. i cannot do it unless we choose to do it together. yes, thahat is the solutioion, because if we areo attaiaiwhat we wanant as country, we must attain it together. a large go -- majority of uganda's population is under 24. many see above statar as their voicice. >> is the voice of me as a youth . israel and the this error. >> literally speaking, i wouldn't say that he e inspirese like going tohe streetsts in doing what he has been doing because there are other ways of handling things. >> he talks about t things that affect us. he talks about unemployment, education, corruption. >> the support he enjoys, especiall

i didn't mean he committed treason.t was a term i use, nothing short of treasonous. >> you didn't mean he committed treason. >> i said treasonous. >> can you break that down for me? >> that is quite inflammatory, over-the-top. those are the words that just incite passions rather than bring us together. the country is so polarized i haven't seen anything like this in a long time but what i think people who do not support the president are saying taking away security clearances jeopardizing the first amendment is retaliation, people who do support the president say there's a new sheriff in town and they like his strength and determination and the public outcry or lack of outcry will determine whether or not this is acceptable. >> let's read a letter from a number of top intelligence officials, they said this. >> this is nothing to do with who should or shouldn't hold security clearances and everything to do with an attempt to stifle free-speech and goes on later to say this action is clearly a signal to other officials, i

i didn't mean that he committed treason, but it was a term i used, "nothing short of treasonous." he has authorities, and he does, he can and has revoked my clearance and others, the way he can give pardons out. i'm not a lawyer, but i know there is a question about whether or not there's corrupt intent in terms of doing this. >> uh-huh. >> i think this is a thing that lawyers and courts and others are going to be looking at in terms of whether or not mr. trump is doing any of this in order to obstruct justice or to try to silence critics, whatever. but the fact that he's using a security clearance of a former cia director as a pawn in his public relations strategy i think is just so reflective of somebody who, frankly, don't want to use this term maybe, but he's drunk on power. he really is. i think he's booabusing the pow of the office. >> that's part of the interview. former acting director of the cia and msnbc global affairs contributor joining us, john mclachlan. sir, you also held the title of director. there's very few people in our world that has held that. you know, direc

bobby wine is facing a charge of treason and his supporters say he was beaten while in custody as the government faces protests and widespread condemnation so what's behind the recent unrest this is inside story. welcome to this edition of inside story on the whole robin perhaps the best known face of the ugandan opposition bobby wine is in custody once again facing a charge of treason which carries the death penalty the singer who became an m.p. last year has been a strong critic of president yarima seventy who's been in power since one thousand nine hundred eighty six his arrest last week led to widespread protests and a crackdown by state forces and when he showed up in court on thursday why showed signs of injuries his supporters say that he was beaten while in military custody well we have a lot to discuss with our guests but first this report from katherine saw in the ugandan capital kampala. this is the man many ugandans had been wanting to see twelve you wind up popular musician and member of parliament appeared at a military court in the north end town of looking weak and in

treason is treason, living or dead she declared. our boys in blue were loyal and true. we cannot say that of the other side. and while we are willing to forgive and forget the past, never while life shall last, we at the wrc love and honor the gray. no reconciliation. so to return to where we began, how do these competing memories of the war fare in the 20th century? although no -- most northerners did not succumb to the lost cause, by the 1920s and 1930s it seemed as if the confederate memory of the war had eclipsed that of the union. groups like the udc worked to keep the lost cause alive. the monuments created during these years, i will adjust a question asked earlier about the timing of the monuments, most of them go up between the late 1880s, starting in the 1890s through 1915 or so. and another wave comes in the 1920s. this corresponds to several things. to the height of veterans associations. both union and confederate. there is a correspondence to the dying off of veterans on both sides. and the response going on is not one of defiance so much as union veterans

"treason is treason, whether living or dead, are blue -- our boys in blue were loyal. never while life shall last that we that of urc will honor the grave. return to where he began, how do these competing memories of the warfare in the 20th century? although most northerners to not succumb to the lost cause, by the 1920's and 1930's it seemed as if the confederate memory of the war had eclipsed that of the union. groups worked vigilantly to keep the lost cause alive. the monuments that were created , most ofese years these monuments go up between the late 1880's, starting in the 1890's through about 1915. there is another way to the early 1920's. this corresponds to the height of veterans association, both union and confederate. there is a correspondence to the dying off of veterans. and the response is not one of defiance but union veterans are putting their monuments up in places like gettysburg and in town communities across the north. especially when the udc became involved. they put up their monument. the correspondent's to the veterans group, the corresponding wo

we all know that treason is defined by the u.s. code is an act of aiding and abetting an and my in a time of war. we're not if a time of war. we're not at war with russia. congress hadn't declared a war. it is rhetorically. people believe there is a betrayal of the oath of office. he pretty clearly laid out why he thinks that. i think that's what he's doing. i think he was defining for people which should anything be found out in the mueller investigation based on the parameters of what we know, people are going to start using that word with great seriousness though it has no legal weight. >> steve cash, you know mr. brennan. you dploektor brennan. >> i do. >> when you seen him speak on friday and then this morning on "meet the press," put in context to the comments he made so far about being treasonist. >> first of all, mr. brennan is an extremely serious man. he understands the words he used. he is an intelligence analyst. i think he explained himself very carefully. he described the behavior as trees onnist, having the aspects o

i didn't mean he committed treason, but it was a term i used nothing short of treasonous. >> but you didn't mean he committed treason, though? >> i said it was nothing short of treasonous, yeah. >> we'll get into the president's behavior in a second. but do you think john brennan's hyperbole is an issue here, the reason why we're having this crisis? >> i think it is. i think john is sort of like a freight train and he's going to say what's on his mind. i think, though, that the common denominator among all of us that have been speaking up, though, is genuine concern about the jeopardy and threats to our institutions and values and we all express that in different ways. and i think that's what this is really about. but i think john and his rhetoric have become an issue in and of itself. >> what do you think? >> look, i think john has said he sometimes gets -- but i think -- gets his irish up. but i think what he talked about is he was really commenting on how stunning it was to him as a decades long national security veteran and intelligence official to see the president stand up in h

ugandan musician turned politician bobby weiner has been charged with treason one was rearrested just minutes after being freed by a military court where he'd been accused of inciting his supporters to attack a convoy carrying the president you were in a seventy catherine sawyer reports from kampala. this is the man many ugandans had been wanting to see you wind up popular musician and member of parliament appeared as a military court in the north end town of looking weak and in pain he had been in military cassidy's since last wednesday he was arrested following violence in local election campaigns in the north after president yoweri in the seventies mottaki it was attacked the state withdrew the military related charges of possession of firearms and ammunition. set free i live on how to judge just. it was an emotional moment for wine but he was not really free in the chair that i use to enter and they're arresting him now he was immediately taken to a magistrate's court where he was charged with treason with intent to move harm to the passing of the president of the republic or ugan

that is why, i didn't mean that he committed treason, but it was a term, something short of treasonous. >> that is the -- nothing short of treasonous mean its is treastr -- it is treason. >> guto the word tree son, suggests that you think that president serves a foreign country rather than our own. >> yes, i think he crossed the line repeatedly. in terms of his failure to fill full the office. to look putin in the eye and say, this should never happen again. >> do you think that he is knowingly serving the russian government than the u.s. government? >> i scratch my head a lot as to why he acts this way. i won't pretend i know. there is something worrisome about someone who occupies the oval office interacts with mr. putin. don't got me wrong, i was a strong supporter of that during the obama administration. i stuck my neck out on syria, we need to work with the russians to bring this carnage to a halt. time after time, the russians would faint sincerity. we need it behind us. i don't want it to royal the waters forever. we need a president that will acknowledge this, and make sure he

that they had not committed treason. they expressed these sentiments and many of the same ways as union veterans. to the creation of confederate national cemeteries but you will notice here, this national cemetery is laid out by states and not by union. the only national, union national cemetery that played out with gettysburg because of its own unique history. confederate memorial days began under the offices of -- as early as may 1866. monuments again began under the offices of these ladies. and soldiers organization such as the army league camp in richmond. eventually united confederate veterans which would organize in 1889, they had reunions and periodicals. the confederate veterans which began in the early 1890s. periodicals such as the historical society papers. all of these are ways in which they sought to make sure that the next generation as it is always about the next generation, understood what they had fought for. former confederate clement evans explain why it matters so much. quote, if we cannot justify the

lou: if you can realize what he means by treasonous, and he said that it was nothing short of treason. the helsinki statement that the president, which is really mind-boggling when you think about it. and i was trying to say that he didn't mean treasonous. i mean, please, to think he was the head of the cia, he is oafish, he is clumsy beyond imagination with words and i don't think he knows what the hel he's talking about to begin with. >> i want to know if he monetized his security clearance post to the point being. you know, so when he is out of office, did he monetized the end i believe it looks like he did after making money hand over fist, offering opinions here and they are and knows. i want to know, did he monetized this? lou: the over 60 former intelligence officials who are supporting him? what in the world with the intelligence apparatus in this country under president obama? those are some of the most -- i mean, it is inevitable. it is out of ignorance and just foolishness on their part. >> does it not speak to the fact the federal government has gotten so big and intellige

we're not covering them on al-jazeera you know the truth is that most seventy charge people with treason from as early as nine hundred eighty six from some of the many friends of people who've been charged with treason driven in uganda in the hundreds perhaps so it is a better game selfless judgment trees and men of this would have been trying to check trumped up charges the more you charge people like bobby wine and there's a case of this world and put them in prison the more you make it more difficult the reality today is it's not even perhaps about even but we want to say it is very much about where uganda is at the moment and in fact we talk about the questions of identity and even ideological divides is no longer about that ugandans are very much focused about basically wanting change basically wanting to do anything they would like onto to basically simply say not from a seven to the extant that actually people now came into the streets of london across the world in unprecedented numbers they're really not caring about. lies double substructure but mostly point to this simply just

but that am not treason. one of the penalties for treason is death.john brennan calling for the president's demise? >> john brennan is saying crazy things. even james clapper says brennan is saying things he shouldn't say. he could bring any lawsuit he wants. i don't think he'll be successful by any stretch of the imagination. as i said, you go down that list be clapper, rice, comey, mccabe, yates, strzok, ohr. rice is an example. she said the cause of benghazi was a video. every single one of them deserves to lose it if they still have it. kennedy: i know people mad at the president for the way he delivers some of these questions. at times the delivery is distracting. but at the heart of it, i think there are, especially for fans of limited government, i think there are valid questions here. i also don't think it should be a political tool necessarily. if you get rid of these clearances across the board and someone needs to be read in and granted some sort of temporary clearance in order to help the transition team or answer a question where they hav

that's why i said it was nothing short of treasonous. i didn't mean he committed treas treason. the way he can revoke clearances and give pardons out, i'm not a lawyer, but i know about whether or not there is corrupt intent in terms of doing this. this is something that lawyers, courts, and others will be looking at in terms of whether or not mr. trump is doing any of this to obstruct justice or try to silence critics, whatever. the fact that he is using a security clearance of a former cia director as a pawn in his public relations strategy i think is just so refrektive of somebody that don't want to use this term many, but he is drunk on power. >> john brennan there in an exclusive interview with rachael maddow. the president says he is not attempting to silence brennan. >> if anything i'm giving him a bigger voice, many people don't even know who he is, now he has a bigger voice and that's okay, i like taking on voices like that. i never respected him. i never had a lot of respect -- >> joining us now, our guests guys, i want to go to malcolm first, with the president right

wine is charged with treason along with thirty two august after presidential werriwa seven is what a kid was stones during their recent local election campaign what song do you want to listen to during the course of the show well let us not many ugandan such as radio presenter james peterson have closely watched developments. he dedicated an hour off show to bobby white and his music it's been a big hit the young people are there my door eaten and most times they have sat back and said well you know politics is for the old for but right now the young people waking up and wanting to get involved in the future of this country ugandan politics have been controlled by presidential seventy who has ruled for thirty two years and that divided opposition led by keyes at best who was arrested recently for young people have with the greatest stake and the responsibility to reclaim with it on. and that's why you did the young people are standing up in many townships such as this one in the capital kampala where wind grew up it's all about his message. this is a song reason he produced by other

julie is good to see you now bobby wine is back in court today a magistrate is going to decide of treason charges should go ahead what can we expect. indeed will be on his expected bucking horse you did but i understand he's still up nature in the hospital in kampala which is very many kilometers away from the causeway to expected so you might motor vehicle it but other suspects including another member of parliament have already are right at the court but the wind is not yet there is also very important to note is that it's the book you are in and it's up to three other suspects only appear before the magistrates court the chief magistrate scored according to the course to choose should an interpretation has no jurisdiction to try treason charges capital since it's and the case is supposed to be committed to a higher court so let's go to typing and we have the chips to see it will be one at court to get bob says we presented his own move forward with the case the jury said he's admitted in the hospital and his lawyers actually said that he may have to go abroad for urgent medical care is

>> i called his behavior treasonous. i stand very much by that claim. >> you are the former cia director accusing the sitting president of the united states. it's not a private citizen. a lot of people here, the former cia director accusing the sitting president of the united states of treason, that's a monumental accusation. >> well, i think these are abnormal times and i think a lot of people have spoken out against what mr. trump has done and maybe it's my warning, training as an intelligence professional. i have seen the lights blinking red in terms of what mr. trump has done and is doing and is bringing this country down on the global stage and fueling and feeding divisiveness in our country. he continually lies to the american people. the type of things he is doing, i need to speak out. i don't believe i'm being political at all. i am not a republican. i am not a democrat. and many members of the congress over the years who have security clearances have spoken out rather forcefully against whoever was in the oval o