joining us now, tremaine lee, msnbc correspondent and into america podcast.ou for making time for us tonight. >> thanks so much, jonathan. >> today, we heard the country 's first black vice president come out and say, slavery is wrong. what do you make of the necessity of that statement in the year 2023? >> jonathan, perhaps the saddest part is that it actually has to be said, even in 2023. but you are talking about 1923 -- to 2000 2023 -- that slavery -- that black people have been complaining and that -- wasn't that bad. there were some good slaveowners. the difference in acceptable degree of rape, unacceptable degree of human trafficking. and we call it slavery, and we have seen these pictures and where these stories about the genteel south and plantations and mary -- playing their violins and -- rape, separating -- but the fact of the matter is that that narrative still pervades and there's a huge fraction of this country that wants to not just except the history of this country, because a accepting the history means you have to accept and respect the exp

so we've got nbc news correspondent tremaine lee with the latest now.xtensively on a lot of these ap-black history bans. >> that's right, in so many ways the precursor to the moment we're in now began in 2022 when governor ron desantis signed the so-called stop woke act, which really curtailed and limited the way history can be taught in schools, especially african american history. the idea from the proponents of that stop woke act is they didn't want kids feeling bad about themselves if the history was taught a certain way, presumably white children and they weren't going to be teaching anyone there was an opposer and oppressed and certainly led to book banes and consternation and really sparked the early kindling for this culture war which is happening now. >> and tremaine, obviously, this is getting a lot of reaction, and what are we hearing from the vice president, and how is desantis and his nation depending this move out of florida. >> that's right, vice president kamala harris is in florida, she will be speaking momentarily, about this, but the