i interviewed the finance minister of south africa, except at that time trevor manuel was under covercause he was a banned person. >> trevor: he was not permitted to be in public. >> trevor: everyone was a banned person back then. it's pretty much how the country worked. >> exactly. >> trevor: it was like a country of bad boys. you just kept this and one day i will meet a south african in america. ( laughter ) ( applause ) and i will hand them to him. >> i also have a rubber bullet in my desk. >> trevor: that's nice. i have a rubber bullet in my chest, actually. thank you so much, john. welcome, welcome to the show. i'm truly excited. i've always wanted to meet someone hois going to moderate a debate. this is something i've always wanted to do, and you know a lot of these candidates. you've been-- you've been hosting the "speak easy" show, right? >> i have been doing interviews. it's actually a great way of debate prep because all year long, for nine months, i've been interviewing candidates. i've got an unbelievably talented young team of producers. they're in the audience here. mary