now, there are voices in the black community, including trevor phillips, who is an influential voice,man rights committee and, saying that is a good thing and we shouldn't be embarrassed to say, because perpetrators and victims in many inner—city areas, are largely black, we should be using stop—and—search primarily against black people in these communities. do you agree? well, i think what's important is the criminality, really. i don't think racial profiling or introducing racial elements to criminality is actually very helpful, certainly on operation trident what we found was successful was having community support with people, we had a hotline, people told us who were carrying the guns. we didn't care what colour they were. if they were carrying guns they were engaged in crime and they were doing harm to other people, involved in drug dealing, then my view is they should have been arrested — regardless of what colour they were. we saw the problem, certainly in kent, where there were very few black people, there were similar problems of violence. if you look at the town centres on