it seems if anything, it's trevor phillips and his research who at least used to take a firmer view onims than nigel. nigel farage does now. so how on earth have we found ourselves in a situation in which phillips is accusing farage of being offensive for making exactly the same type of claim that he did just a few years ago? well, i'm delighted to be joined now by the imam and broadcaster ajmal masroor . ajmal, thank you so masroor. ajmal, thank you so much for making the time for us this evening, because i think there's two different points here. number one, the idea that all british muslims are antithetical to british values, i think is plainly wrong and it isn't borne out by data, but the claim that a significant proportion of british muslims do hold views that are contrary to what most people would describe as british values . well, that as british values. well, that seems to stack up to evidence . seems to stack up to evidence. >> thank you very much for inviting me, and good evening to you and your viewers, on this glorious day, we've had a fantastic weather outside. what it wha

exactly what trevor phillips himself said about british muslims.ked sir keir starmer's first election campaign speech. the moment just about no one has been waiting for the opportunity to provide substance over style came and went as his majesty's leader of the opposition and knight of the realm attempted to invoke working class roots plus , the working class roots plus, the prince of harry's courtroom drama continues as the biden administration pleads with a court to keep the duke of california's visa application under wraps . all that to come, under wraps. all that to come, state of the nation starts now. and through it all, i'll be joined by my panel. the former labour mp and former royal navy seaman stephen pound, and the former brexit party mep turned conservative annunziata rees—mogg. that's all coming up after your headlines with theo chikomba . chikomba. >> it's 8:01. i'm theo chikomba in the gb newsroom. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu has described the strike, which reportedly killed 45 people in the southern gazan city of rafah

exactly what trevor phillips himself said about british muslims.ked sir keir starmer's first election campaign speech. the moment just about no one has been waiting for the opportunity to provide substance over style came and went

may i remind you that the interviewer, one trevor phillips in 2016, said , muslims phillips in 2016,lims are not like us and we should just accept they were never integrate. so i think it's a bit rich for trevor phillips and all those around him. all of a sudden to claim that nigel can't have a sensible discussion about the fact that the vast majority of muslims in the uk and all over the world are great peace loving, hardworking , loving, hardworking, aspirational, community giving people. but there is an element and we have to be honest about it and have this discussion a meaningful element who don't share our culture and values. for example, we know that in a recent big survey by the henry jackson society, they found that 18 to 24 year olds at 47% of british 18 to 24 year olds didn't think that hamas carried out any atrocities of rape and murder. on october the 7th, 32% want sharia law imposed in the united kingdom, so it's fairly obvious that there's a significant element who don't share how big a part. richard. tolerance and compassion. >> yeah. how big a part of the reform elec

but interestingly, if you go back a couple of years, trevor phillips said the exact same things in a bbc radio four today programme, trevor phillips said on specific issues, family, sexuality, genden issues, family, sexuality, gender, attitudes towards jews and questions of violence and terrorism, the centre of gravity of british muslim opinion is some distance away from the centre of gravity of everyone else's opinion in britain. so, you know, he less various poll results of 1 in 6 muslims said they would like to live more separately, a quarter would like to live under sharia law. and it's i mean, it's not a it's not a secret that, you know, there are radically different attitudes in the, in the muslim world to, to britain . world to, to britain. >> quelle surprise. that was french, by the way, trevor phillips and a lot of these commentators having duplicitous views on things. now, he would argue that he's a journalist asking questions , but nigel asking questions, but nigel would argue that he was, someone standing up for questions, answering questions. and that's all he did in thi

because trevor phillips, who was interviewing him and i liked trevor phillips very much, actually, i was a decent interview, but he seemed to be sort of saying to farage, well, hang on, are you saying like the whole of, you know, all muslims? and he clearly wasn't saying that. no and then lots of people shared things of trevor phillips saying probably more extreme stuff than farage in the past or more, you know, on this not extreme, but you know what i mean. even the same thing, inflammatory, possibly . yeah. inflammatory, possibly. yeah. but the thing is, the mainstream media doesn't want to have the conversation. they turn the conversation. they turn the conversation from, not how many people have these beliefs, but to whether they're even allowed to whether they're even allowed to talk about it basically in public. that's what they're saying. but i think that's more disrespectful to muslims. i think there's nothing wrong with saying a certain number of muslims believe this. others believe this. >> there are plenty of legitimate criticisms, by the way, of secular neoliberal western

this was in an interview with trevor phillips. so we'll show you that and see see what your views are . see what your views are. >> yes, yes, it'll be interesting to see what you have to say. but first it's your headlines. >> patrick, thank you. and good afternoon from the gb newsroom . afternoon from the gb newsroom. it's just after 12:00. the labour leader has described the conservatives plans to reintroduce national service as desperate. he's dismissed a prime minister's proposal to make all 18 year olds choose between serving in the army or volunteering in their local community. but sir keir starmer said there was desperation behind the policy and that it would be paid for by cancelling levelling up funding and tax avoidance, which his party would use to invest in the nhs. >> i do accept the proposition that we need a, strong defences and that has to be the first duty of any government, but i think this plan is desperate. i think this plan is desperate. i think they are rummaging around in the toy box to try and find any plan

trevor phillips himself, as you rightly raise, has written this report about how some sections of the separate lives, parallel lives, have different allegiances and all the rest of it. >> he did a documentary about it, he did a documentary about it, he did a documentary about it, and he was also suspended. >> was he not from labour over islamophobia or he had some issues with the labour party over islamophobia. so it's all it's all a bit messy that one. >> and on the very same day we had that chat walking through oxford circus in a hamas shirt , oxford circus in a hamas shirt, it could have been his surname, to be fair. it could have been his surname, but it wasn't. >> or it could have been just he's he's dyslexic and really likes a certain mediterranean dip, hummus. yes, it could have been. we're also going to talk about the battle for taxation. now as well. labour saying they're not going to increase ni or income tax. but but are they about to ruin the state school system, something that would affect literally every single child? what's going on there? and we've got a little bit of

now these words are they have been used by trevor phillips himself, by the way, who was interviewing that, and he was actually suspended from the labour party for being accused of islamophobia, for saying a very similar thing by the way, he remarked that not many muslims were in poppies. so there's, you know, there's a lot going on behind this story, but the bottom line is, is it dangerous rhetoric or is it simply common sense to admit that there may be a bit of a problem here somewhere along the line? so what do you think to this one? >> well, i think that there is a lot of focus at the minute on muslims and i, and i find that really uncomfortable because we know that all sorts of groups in the uk , all sorts of religious the uk, all sorts of religious groups may have values that are at odds with some of these british values that nigel farage was talking about, british values that nigel farage was talking about , things like was talking about, things like freedom of speech, freedom of choice. we know that there are sometimes tensions with different religions on things like, say , ga

some time ago you are talking about the, we were talking about the nigel farage, which, even the trevor phillips of what you have to say. just just take it . take it say. just just take it. take it easy. because these things happens. nigel farage i know him is a very respected person, very good man. but when you go in so far , a people, other people goes far, a people, other people goes against the muslim . and after against the muslim. and after that conflict come in, i say what we need to do, we need to work together, work together as a one community, as a one community, another as a muslim. and you are a christian, and i am that. i am that as a one whole community and come to the conclusion that we want to live together . like for example, we together. like for example, we call, i call here, muslim, of course, another muslim , we call course, another muslim, we call it a british family. indeed as a british family, not just i am a muslim pointing and a christian and a jews and all and all come in the difficulty to themselves. all come together . all come together. >> i completely agree with yo

i mean, channel 4 did pick it up and show it with as part of a documentary with trevor phillips.y showed it to, you know, a p0p up they showed it to, you know, a pop up gallery in shoreditch, i believe, and some muslims came in and thought it was hilarious. >> so the assumption that muslim people would be upset. >> it's. yeah. so they create an environment where they say i, i presume that this group of people will be offended and therefore they can't . it's therefore they can't. it's infantil it's morally infantilizing. people saying they're children that need to be protected. >> and recently one of your pieces has won an award. yes. and this is can we have a look at this piece? this is, the cancel culture centre . is that cancel culture centre. is that what it's called? >> oh, wait, that wasn't it. >> oh, wait, that wasn't it. >> oh, wait, that wasn't it. >> oh, no, i think they might. they'll find it in a moment. but it's the cancel culture centre. what's this piece about? >> so it's inspired by british engush >> so it's inspired by british english service wall maps , which eng

as well at some of the things that i've been doing the rounds recently, you know nigel on the trevor phillipsis close to your heart as well, because you were dogged with islamophobia claims for a while. we spoke about them on air as well. nigel, you know, faced quite a lot of serious allegations over it. he was simultaneously accused of being both anti—semitic and islamophobic, which many people would regard as being quite, quite the achievement if both of those things were true . and do you things were true. and do you think that that there is a bit of a racism cloud hanging over reform? reform ? >> reform? >> no. absolutely not, patrick. it's absolutely not. this is what the left in politics do all the time when they start losing the time when they start losing the debate on any single subject, they always play the race card. it's absolute nonsense. nigel farage has known quite well. i class him as a friend. he is not racist. i've been accused in the past of being racist and islamophobic as yet nobody can provide a shred of evidence to, you know, to prove that i was islamophobic or or racis

i talked over the course of the weekend to trevor phillips about the small but worryingly growing number men, predominantly young men, in this country , adopting men, in this country, adopting radical views, views that aren't just un—british but views that, frankly, are extremely anti—british. we saw the recent local elections candidates being elected in inner city districts in leeds, in burnley and elsewhere. we saw the aggression and you might have noticed that angela rayner yesterday was campaigning in her constituency, begging, begging a group of muslim leaders to please vote laboun muslim leaders to please vote labour. you'll have noticed not a single woman in the room . so a single woman in the room. so we're moving into an age in our inner cities and towns, i'm afraid. i'm worried to say , of afraid. i'm worried to say, of sectarian politics with women completely excluded. i have to say that the rwanda policy is something that was plucked out of the air by a desperate conservative government, launched just down the coast at lydd airport two years and one month ago, and rishi sunak

:00 with nigel farage in the studio, i'll be asking him about that sensational interview with trevor phillips more bad news for the prime minister. but before all of that, it's your weather with ellie glaisyer. well done . well done. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. where there will be plenty more heavy showers on the way. for many of us today, these turning heavy and thundery at times, all thanks to this area of low pressure. situated across the uk. various occlusion features pushing their way eastwards will bring a focus for those showers through this afternoon. and it's eastern parts of scotland, maybe into northeastern parts of england, that will likely to see those heavier showers. this afternoon again with some hail and thunder mixed too , in for england and mixed too, in for england and wales not quite as heavy. those showers compared to what we've seen over the past couple of days, but it will still be a few around and it'll be feeling a little cooler too, with those t