no one knows the ins-and-outs of this cash-and-carry racket better than trevor potter, and no one is more committed to cleaning it up. a former chairman of the federal election commission, he served as general counsel to john mccain during the senator's presidential campaigns in 2000 and again in 2008. t trevor potter is with the law firm of caplin and drysdale in washington, and he's the founding president of the campaign legal center, that's a non-partisan group committed to "representing the public interest in enforcement of campaign and media law." all very impressive, but let's face it, these days trevor potter's greatest claim to fame is as the man who keeps stephen colbert out of jail. he advised colbert on how to create his own super pac and then to set up his more clandestine 501 (c) (4). take a look. >> so how do i gets me one, trevor? >> well, lawyers often form delaware corporations, which we call shell corporations, that just sit there until they're needed. >> like, so some anonymous shell corporation? >> right. and, and i happen to have one here in my briefcase. >> let'

steve, i had an exchange today with trevor potter, home of the federal election commission, and i laid that out, but i think that you could have law that says only human beings can vote. and i think you could frame it that only living human beings can cast a vote. can contribute which has been equivalent what we did. i do not think that there should be campaign contributions come as you said, from corporations. the idea that a corporation is a person is, goodness, what a stupid idea. [applause] i will tell you, the way the supreme court justices said that -- they don't know corporate law. because corporations by definition have powers that an individual would not have. but i don't want corporate money or union money or pac money. i don't want super pac money. i don't want political party money. i want a system that is transparent, open, and open for individuals to contribute to the political campaign. that's what i want. i think we can do a constitutionally. [applause] >> going on to the next question, if i may intervene. >> please. am i speaking too loudly or too softly? three no, tha

but steve, i had an exchange today with trevor potter, former head of the federal election committee and as a bad out, that i think that you could have law that says only human beings can go. i think you could frame it but only living human beings can cast a vote, can contribute, which the court says is equivalent to voting. i do not think that there should be campaign contributions, as you said, from corporations. the idea the corporation is a person is -- what a idea. [applause] first of all -- i will tell you the supreme court justices said that they know, law, but they don't know corporate law because corporate type definition have powers they would not have. i do what corporate money come a union money, i do want super pack money. i know what political party money. i won a system that is transparent, open and on the individuals contributing to political campaigns and i think we can do constitutionally. [applause] >> will go onto the next question. >> and i speaking too loudly? >> that's not an issue. i just want to comment because this is part of the stimulating debate were havi

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