you say that president obama showed more urgency over treyvon martin than the veterans waiting for care. >> i did and i was particularly struck by allegedly 40 veterans dying waiting for care. over and over, i'm going to wait until the investigation is concluded. all of these different investigations that are going on. but the problems with the va as the president pointed out, not new. he was seized with the problems. when he was a senator and he served on the veteran's affairs committee and when he came pained on that he was going to reform these issues. with treyvon, he jumped out in the rose garden and said if i had a son, he would look like treyvon. after the verdict he issued a statement and then we saw less than a week later a press conference over look -- treyvon martin's death was not about national security or government negligence. veterans deserve this -- i would argue the same amount of attention the president has not given them. >> i hear you. >> i hear you. we have heard a lot of criticism thrown. we have to be fair and i want to play this exchange john boehner here on the

we're still so raw and in so much pain about treyvon martin, that when we heard the hoodie reference,there are no scabs on our wounds. >> the hoodie thing and i was one of the first journalists to bring the treyvon martin to a national stage, one of. everyone feels terribly for them. but every time someone mentions a conversation like a hoodie, is it always treyvon? >> when you say a black boy in a hoodie, this was so painful and so real, so very much like it, that is the icon ography. it is around pain and racism. i think we need to expand our narratives outside of the stereo types that we have been given beyond the hoodie. it hurts too much right now. >> point taken. too soon. so when originally he said i'm a little bit worried about the slippery slope of taking someone's team away. then he got new information and changed his mind. then when you talk about the iconography, he didn't realize it in the initial comments and then realized it and apologized. that's a mature adult. >> that's how we evolve. i think you have to learn and grow and be willing to recover. there's a madness in