major report of the a trilateral commission is concerned with this. called the crisis of democracy. trilateral commission is liberal internationalists in their flavors indicated by the fact that they pretty much staff the corridor ministration. and they were also told that democratizing tendencies of the sixty's and so we have to react to it. they were concerned that there was an excess of democracy developing. previously passive and obedient parts of the population or sometimes called the special interests who were beginning to organize and try to enter the political arena and they said that imposes too much pressure on the state can't deal with all these pressures so therefore they have to return to a city and become the politicized. and they were particularly concerned with what was happening to young people in. when people get into free and independent. in the way they put it there's a failure on the part of the schools the universities churches the institutions responsible for the indoctrination of the young there for it's not mine. if you look at their study there's one intere

at harvard, an expert on north america, among other things, and one of the officials of the trilateral commission. and also former member of the bush national security council. and finally, of course, peter feaver, welcome back to the hilltop. he is a professor at duke and director of the grant staff -- the grand strategy program and former white house official in the bush administration. if you all would not mind joining me and giving a big round of welcome for our panelists. tim? [applause] tim: thank you. it is a pleasure to be back here and it is a pleasure to be on stage with one of the interviewed teams and some of the policymakers from the surge decision. the three of us spent a lot of time asking questions of others , and so it is my pleasure to ask you some questions today. as we move around the country interviewing all of the 28 people that are interviewed for the book, we often began with the question, how did the surge story begin for you? and we ask the interviewees to sort of set the stage with when they started thinking about what we would come to know as the surge. i want to ask y