that deal, we'll see how much it values triller joining us now is triller ceo. mahi de silva.elcome. >> pleasure to be here >> there's been some controversy over exactly how many users triller reaches and exactly what its relationship has been with, for example, music publisher starting with the users, how are you measuring user reach and user engagement from here? >> yeah, user engagement for us is how we help creators help post content, you know, on our apps, on our web experience but also on every platform that they publish content on, including platforms like facebook, instagram, youtube, twitter and others >> right but how many users -- how many users does triller have? >> so in terms of monthly reach, we've talked about in the press release, we touch north of 750 million users on a global basis. >> are you counting, therefore, people who see content that was created via triller creators but not necessarily engaging with triller's platform i'm trying to understand how you measure users and therefore the value of the platform itself versus just where content is being seen