climbed over the fence into the property of trinity church bishop packard and his wife brooke packard who was also on hand for last week's demonstrations and joins me now from our studios in new york to talk about what happened to them and what's in store for the movement in the future welcome to you both glad to have you with us. hi nice to be here thank you very very much george if i could start with you let's begin with what happened on saturday what motivated you to climb the fence. well i tell you it was a it was a long process well a long process in the sense that it. began in mid september i was bringing water down to the park and in this in just a year and i was detained by an officer a police officer and i was just a suburban guy retired i just walk the dog and have some sympathy for some young people put some water in the station wagon bring it down there and the guy wouldn't the officer would not let me take the water out of the out of the car so i. detain me against a car and i thought this is crazy and my collar on i said officer show me a little humanity here and he woul

space continued now i was there on thursday last thursday when a number of protesters went to trinity church itself and spoke out front with leaders from trinity and presented a little nativity scene. reminding the church about the story where where jesus his parents come and have no room to stay at the inn and have to stay with the animals and so they're trying to evoke some biblical themes in trying to persuade trinity to open their doors. it looking at the footage of the and trinity said no apparently looking at the footage is the is that space on the outside of those. graves that people are jumping up on or are those just sitting spaces. believe they're sitting spaces ok so this is not a graveyard and they like that why why does the act by wall street movement feel that it's so essential that they have a physical outdoor presence the what they're referring to is sanctuary. well i think this is a very very crucial part of the movement i mean there's a sort of few phoria that people experience when they take part in the in the in person political conversation that's happening there and tha

they president whated the trinity church lot. i don't know how in depth you know. you jump the fence and you say what are you proving 1234* trin trinity church wouldn't let them use it. it is like mofia. >> i will tell you one thing, had i seen more people in cat suits, i may have wanted to tune into what they had to city. -- had to say. they could have had a little more sex appeal. >> you have been down to the ones in l.a. >> they were kicked off city hall property, and now they have a bunch of grassroots campaigns and one of the most recent ones was they tried to shut down the port, and that's something the longshoremen were not agreeing with. they were preventing the 99% from actually getting the work. >> they got a lot done on their screenplay. >> or they put us to work. we had overtime. >> and weren't they condemning you on camera, but then after the camera they said, i really think it is great, and i love having you here. >> >> they would scream, "you are murdoch'swhore on camera, and -- on camera" and then afterwards they said, look, i know you are just doin

it's alive, try to nativity scene sponsored by trinity church. it's been 20 years said they had this. the cars were wrapped around the block and down the corner and down the street. and in livermore, the temps are in the 40s. partly cool and breezy tonight. 45 the overnight low in san francisco. tomorrow with bright sunshine and 60 degrees from the 60-mile radius through the city to the south bay. currently the numbers, 38 degrees in livermore. san jose at 43. it looks like we do have an offshore flow kicking in, and it will be dry through thursday. meanwhile they are talking about offshore winds transporting from the north end of the east offshore, clearing out the stagnant air which was kind of scrubbed out today by the rain anyway, this means that dry weather pattern. gusty winds and high elevations from the ridge tops, the north end of the east. the winds anywhere from about 28 and 35 or even 40 miles per hour but still below that wind criteria for any kind of divisive. the wind begins to die down by the evening commute. tonight overnight low

arrested about 50 occupy protesters hoping to set up the new camp site on the empty church lot, the trinity church had asked protesters not to trespass on the property. but officials say a dozen people climbed on to the lots today. >>> and today, retailers cut prices, for super saturday, to help the bottom line, typically, super saturday is the saturday before christmas, but because that day falls on christmas eve, many stores are rolling out discounts soon, it appears many are waiting for them. the average shopper completed less than half of their shopping by december 14th. hayward city officials want you to spend your holiday shopping dollars in their city. and they're putting their money where their mouth is, if you spend more than 100 there tonight or tomorrow you can get a special gift bag. the offer is good for the first 150 people to show their receipts at city hall on monday morning. the gift bag includes two free movie tickets, a southland mall gift card, and gift cards to other local restaurants. >>> and many delivering holiday food bags to hundreds of needy seniors in the east bay, doze

from what i understand people were apparently trying to re occupy a new area surrounding the trinity church in lower manhattan i guess just tell us briefly what happened well people and downs of the church because not only do they have a large amount of poverty that they hold the city but they've also made about thirty million dollars over list year based off of the profits from those properties when we were initially back on it was october seventh. we were told by attorney church that they would offer us a sure they revoked that at the very last minute so this was kind of a way of us reaching out and grabbing some public space so that we can have this public conversation the same time reminding our church leaders that if we're there for long they're supposed to be there to lead us not feed us to the wolves but just i mean i know zuccotti park is also no longer an option that's where sort of the heart of the movement was is an occupation still needed though i mean it seems like you've gotten to this next stage and that there's there's a new kind of thing going on that actions are planned ra

fifty people were arrested as they try to scale a fence the restricted the property surrounding trinity church i wasn't the only place that people were assembling in new york city about two hundred people gathered on seventh and avenue to march towards times square and as they continued their peaceful calls for change at least two people were arrested by police while the rest remained under close police surveillance. we were all of the limelight oddly. like. my own. now to new york isn't the only place trying to keep movin alive there's still a strong presence at a handful of locations like nashville denver and d.c. that's right here in d.c. the occupiers and macpherson square are still going strong so earlier today we sent producer treason a sente down the street to get their take a what they're doing the movement alive. it's only going to get better and it's only going to get bigger and more people are coming and we're going to do more marches more actions more outreach to the community because you only three months you know it takes a long time to really move but this is a very hard movemen

estimate today hundreds of "occupy wall street" protesters attempted to occupy a park owned by trinity church. the occupation was a celebration of the three-month anniversary of the movement and call for solidarity and reoccupation from all "occupy" camps nationwide. the occupation here was short-lived. police removed the camp and arrested 40 people. >> today we're standing in solidarity with them. >> "occupy wall street"'s call for national reoccupy in all the cities where the camps was dismantled was heard here in san jose. they set up several tents they later took down. >> it's been a month since the local pd took away our encampment. same story nationwide, now we're back today and having a general assembly right now to discuss further action. >> "occupy" encampments have been dismantled by cities fed up with trash, vandalism and violence. last month the "occupy" oakland camp was taken down for a second time after a violent first eviction. one man was shot to death near the camp which was the last straw for the city in san francisco the camp was taken down after negotiations broke down bet

hundreds of wall street protestors attempted to occupy a park owned by trinity church. it was three-month anniversary of the movement and called for solidarity from all camps nationwide. it was short-lived. police removed the camp and arrested about four people. the call for national reoccupy in all the cities where the camps were dismantled was heard in san jose. it brought in a crowd of about 30 protestors. they sent up tents that they later took down. >> it's been about a month since the local pd shut us out. >> occupy encampments have been shut down by cities that are fed up with trash and violence. last month the oakland camp was taken down by a second time. one man was shot to death near the camp which proved to be the last straw for the city. >> in san francisco the camp was taken down earlier this month after negotiations broke down between okay few pie and the mayor. they offered another site. they set up about ten tents in the shadow of embarcadero one. >>> we're not going anywhere. they may steal our tents and take houses from disenfranchised people but we ar

wall street and they page one of the new york times again this morning, because they're mad at trinity church a large piece of land in which they can state their next encampment. so i think you really have to make a distinction, but it sounds to me like time magazine is really out of famous people to become person of the year. my pick would have been, how about seal team six. don't you think maybe they would have been a little better. >> true heroes indeed and i know they would have been an excellent choice definitely. thank you, liz. >> there we are. >> there you are, thank you very much as always for your insights. appreciate it. of course we love hearing from you at home and been monitoring twitter spahns and asking you, are you indicated with the current crop of g.o.p. candidates and several of you weighed in and one viewer crow, no, they all lack inspiring personality and there are more responses to you we'll bring to you after the break. that's what i'm hearing in my ear piece. stay with us, everybody. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow.

the 3 month anniversary of the movement dozens hopped over a fence and property part owned by trinity church. a spokesman said he was disappointed that the church wasn't more supportive. >> troops and protestors clashed in egypt. more than 400 have been injured. they are accused of mismanaging the transition to democracy and also allowing large scale human rights abuses. >> barry bonds back in court last week, still to come, another look at the steroid investigation. >> yeah but first, our political insiders talk about one of the most contested elections we've had in awhile. >> and it's a sign of the season but not one you usually see around our area. how the snow park is helping out with the drive to feed the hungry. >> patchy fog to start the day, look for cool and dry conditions by this afternoon and probably through the week. your forecast coming up is under arrest in san jose. sandra contreras- velazquezs being held on 10 >> a woman suspected of stealing gold chains from kids is under arrest. >> sandra is being held on $100,000 bail. police say she went to three elementary schools durin

trinity church says while it supports the movement's message it has asked the protesters not to breakor invade their property. more news later. now back to "lockup." >>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> it's my vision of the free world. i lay here and dream about being out there. sometimes i sit and wonder of what people think when they drive by. do they think we're all up in here just mad? or do they realize we, too, are humans and have familiar lane loved ones and friends. we have hopes and we have dreams. we have pains. i wonder if the world will ever even hear this? i wonder if the world will ever know. >> i have worked here at ist for approximately three weeks now. it's going pretty good. it's definitely been an experience. i like it. it's different. >> learning to manage the 2,200 convicts behind the walls of indiana state prison is a gradual process. so far it has gone relatively well for rookie officer michele ellis. >> today i'm supposed to go over to a tower, since i have not been there yet. i'm currently in "i" cell house and back and forth at

hundreds of occupy wallstreet protestors intended to occupy a park owned by trinity church. it was a celebration of the three month anniversary of the movement and a call for solidarity and reoccupation for all occupy camps nationwide. occupation here was short-lived. police removed the camp and arrested about 40 people. their call for a national reoccupy in all the cities where a camp was dismantled was heard in san jose. this occupation brought in a crowd of about 30 protestors. they set up several tents that they later took down. >> it's been about a month since they took the encampment and the city manager shut us out. same story nationwide. >> occupien campments have been taken down by cities fed you will by trash, violence in some camps. the oakland camp was taken down for a sec time after a violent first eviction. one man was shot to death near the camp, which proved to be the last straw for the city. in strand the camp was taken down earlier this month after negotiations broke down between occupy and the mayor. the city offered the damp at another site but that didn'

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ugoda boston, trinity church on one side, h. h.ichardson, look across the square, boston public library via charles the kids in. very similar in many ways to paris. and he said so. they were taking, you use the word earlier, inspiration, inspiration from paris. and again and again brian, they all wrote that they wanted to bring something home to make things better here. they wanted, they were doing something they felt was a service to their country, not just to their own ambitions. c-span: you have not mention george haley and i'm going to put up here on our screen the painting that you write about, zero websters reply to haynes. who was george healey and how long did he spend? >> guest: george george healey is to me a great american story. george healey was an irish boy who grew up in the streets of boston, no money, no education, but talent to paint and draw. and he was told, you are good. you could go all the way. but he knew, he had to go train with somebody. there was nobody to train with, no art school. so, without any money,

occupiers want access to a vacant lot owned by trinity wall street church in downtown manhattan.eports that the church has been letting protesters use another property along with the free internet, power sources and indoor facilities for over two months. the church says the lot in question is not suitable for the large scale assemblies. finally, turkmenistan's president is neither a cat nor or a dog person. he reportedly has a long hatred of domesticated animals. the new zealand herald repor a man accidently walked his dog to area restricted to the president's motorcade and was quickly arrested. he was given the option of jail or having his dog shot and chose to serve two weeks behind bars. leaked diplomatic cable from last year says the president fired a security official because he believed the cat that ran in front of the morcade was part of an assassination attempt >>> secretary of state clinton says the u.s. has serious concerns about the russian parly men their elections. there are accusations of fraud though vladimir putin's party suffered setbacks. correspondent amy kello

churches. >> what percent of protestants believe jesus is the son of god? no idea. >> how about believe in the trinity? >> i think a high percentage would say they do but i large percentage would say they didn't. >> there are some mutually exclusive propositions separating the muslim religion from the christian religion, correct. right. imam, i assume you think i as a christian could live a life good enough whereby the mercy of god i would be accepted by him eternally in heaven, i don't want to put words in your mouth? >> according to the koran god has to believe god is the almighty creator and no one should be in -- once anyone, a human being devote herself or himself the worship of other than god then that's what takes him from salvation of heaven from acceptance from god. >> so any theistic believer in god in that sense could be? >> but this believers also has to believe also as jesus as a prophet, a messenger, not as the son of god and has to believe that mohammad is not the only prophet but rather the last of prophets who came after many other prophets like moses, jesus, david, solomon and many o