the treasurer that link to trinity college, which is a andodist schools, faculty president owned slaves. so we have a great deal to talk about. but briefly, i know we are running out of time here -- michael: there is no rush. prof. glymph: briefly, in terms of monuments, the robert e. lee duke, so weat struggled with, should we put something in it? i think not. people have suggested patty murray, washington, martin luther king. s most effective use would be a blank space, which is kind of speaking to our potential. enthusiast of sort of willy-nilly trying to compete with the confederate landscape by putting monuments up to black people. i think we have to think about what monuments are designed to do, what kind of nationstate message they enact. the confederate monuments, as david pointed out, they were not just monuments to the confederacy, but they were also monuments to a particular conception of the u.s. as a nationstate. so there or monuments that i would have no trouble saying oh, yes, take it down. statuesthose are like that look alike and overall they and ugly, and then are land