and i'd you know, if we had we had the dean of trinity college chapel the other day claiming that jesushad his congregation in tears. we've got an archbishop of canterbury who would promote these illegal crossings of the channel to the detriment, i would argue, james, of the british people. and so the church is part of the problem. >> he agrees with you. >> he agrees with you. >> the church has become part of the problem, religion as it's been practised through. you know, the archbishop of canterbury, i'm afraid, has vacated the field. i mean, it's i'm certainly not a spokesperson for the church of england, but part of the teachings, as i understand it, of the church, is to do with charity tolerance and doing unto others, as you'd have done unto yourself all those things you mentioned seem to be in that basic framework , so you in that basic framework, so you can disagree with it. >> but the idea that that this is somehow the downfall of society, it's linked to the collapse of religion, what we do have is , is a lack of community have is, is a lack of community and a lack of personal sp