nina easton: i have heard about it for years from trish silverman, who is here, and partly responsible for you being here, so thank you, trish. first lady rula ghani: mary jo meyer, the head of the foundation, is sitting right there too. nina easton: welcome. i love how you are very outspoken about a lot of things. in your speech you made the point that international aid has created a culture of dependency in the country. how would you go about tackling that? first lady rula ghani: what i mean by that is that humanitarian assistance is wonderful, but it is short-lived. and it does not change the situation. bringing food, bringing blankets, bringing tents bringing floor covers, all of that is wonderful for people who really need it, but you come back the next year and there are even more people are there. i don't think humanitarian assistance is the answer. and especially, don't send clothes. kabul has a whole market of secondhand clothes. [laughter] why are these people in camps? the are usually internally displaced people, displaced may be because of the civil war where they are. they