law professor turned state senator defeated david trone. s maryland. professor turned state senator defeated david trone. and obviously cakathleen matthe. it looked like the record of raskin was what did it. a lot of money for david trone, but it's name recognition and money are one thing, but a solid record is something else. >> and ground game. >> what do you mean by that in. >> you serve your con statistic uhe ebts. he's done that and they knew him because this a primary. so these are your activists. >> but trone though i think clever and effective ads. he showed the paperwork and showed they took the money. and he also ran apad that i thought was effective and he took the position about felons and voting rights and incarceration. and not many people were talking about that. so i think he could be a player down the road. >> he encountered the charge that he didn't take special perceived as a person who might be wanting to bite his office. and, you know, the argument has been made that if these kinds of folks are successful, congress will be limited