trubowitz: i am not actually looking back at wars.t i think about is i really do think we are in a period where the national interest is being redefined, and it is not being done in the news cycle, it is been done over an extended period of time. i look back at periods, for the historians out there, like the 1890's and 1920's, 1940's, 1970's, where the united states readjusted, recalibrated, changed the balance between international and domestic interests. that is why i think we are in the middle of, anything it is very hard to see. you have to be able to bracket it, step outside of it, get some distance. looking at it from 10,000 feet rather than from 100 feet. when you are in the middle of something like what is going on in afghanistan right now, it is very hard to see that, but i do think that is what biden wants and is trying to get out and he is having trouble. lisa: that is what i wanted to go. right now, we are looking at an agenda in washington, d.c. that it is almost solidly afghanistan. the political shows are all afghanista

tom: we have a bad connection with peter trubowitz in london. will pick that up tomorrow.y leinz and i can drive this forward. to me the major issue is the polls i see on what americans want. one thing that has brought it home in the last couple of days is to go back and look at all of the front line work with their leadership and see the struggle president obama had realizing where the american public was versus were the washington elites were, and then you stagger on trump and you stagger on, now biden. to take it back 10 years it was quite something. kailey: it comes back to peter's point about the domestic consideration and what the american people wanted. there was support for ending the war in afghanistan. there is more nuance in terms of how exactly the withdraw was handled. the biden administration does not seem to have popular support on that front. i was speaking to the editor in chief in gallup about what the american people's perception is come and he said this is not something people vote on. they are much more interested in the economic situation at home and