and ger trude stein is blunt and yet helpful at the same time. so people have said oh it's just a cartoon of all these people. i think that's the point. i mean it's the heroes managing what these people are like if he could have them to himself for a party evening. >> that's a chming idea. >> rose: and owen wilson. >> owen wilson is a wonderful proxy for woody allen, sort of makes the movie it is a wisp of a movie, it is really quite insubstantial and when you compare it to the purple rose of cairo a similarly themed early woody allen movie, what does that say about where he is and where he going. >> with late woody allen are you grading on a curve and there are moments i get disgusted and that i'm to the seeing any more of his movies but something comes that wins you. >> i think you are right. e of the little ironies of this movie is that by now woody allen himself is an object of those tall gaj for many of us. >> tree of life. >> i'm curious what david has to say about tree of life to. me t is one of those movies that is an event, it comes alon