he also in same visit met president truman and their discussion began with truman saying.r. president, i tried that case. so i would say tha i you know, one of the things judge waring went say he was a kind of national in the late forties. he would reporte would ask him fairly commonly that what got into you? you know, how did you change? and would say, well, the bench i'd developed a passion for justice. that's a wonderful statement. but, you know, there were a lot of other4( southern federal juds who apparently did not develop at that time a passion for juic and so i think it wasn't like was a clamoringit was reale fright. johnson and and the three great ju of thfifth circuit. tuttle and brown. that's really a little later. time they get on the bench. they're eisenhower appointees. himself so i think the answer was, you know, while wait is probably the most reviled man, the white south had, at a minimum, the grudging respect of$. his ad some an admiration. well, you talked a little bit about president and his knowledge of the isaac woodard story. your talks about how tha

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harry truman had ordered it.w it happened. and so now i had this story that the two major events of the early civil rights movement came from thisve e remembered, in spite of e to act in a courageous way speedy will turn to the aughts but one ask you one more question about finding unusual historical facts. how did you find out about the conversation between thurgood marshall and judge waring? >> well, i wasn't there. we will start with that. there was a gentleman by the name of alexander rivera was a reporter for the pittsburgh courier. his dad was the the presidee north carolina naacp. he was, he was you to someone who, he always had a camera around his neck. he prided himself on being a a photographer, a photojournalist, but he covered the civil rights cases. he was a fraternity brother of marshall a very close friend. they actually sort off traveled together whe they would cover trials. when marshall was summoned to warings office, rivera was within and he walked to the door and, stay out. when he came out ma

and the book that he came up with was truman.bviously that changed the trajectory of david's career. it became it was it was really a massive bestseller. it also was a book that a lot of people were reading in the cycle of that years presidential election, because all the people running for president, when that book came out wanted to be thought of as the next harry truman. the guy who could make the tough decisions, who was, you know, who had tenacity and and so it was an influential boofor the for the time. but david was just such a class act and didn't it didn't waste a word on the page. he was he was not a verbose writer. he he was he was an artist himself. he literally he he he made watercolor illustrations. and i often thought that his his artistry extended to the page that that he was writing like a painter. and you could you could see the characters in his books. i loved working. i got to publish his book on the wright brothers. and and that was a kind of a classic david mccullough book, because he could. it allowed him t

and that was a story, the truman picasso story that i wanted to get out there. mr. good. mr.rp, how much time do you have to work directly with authors and edit them since you've been ceo and president for the last four years? well, i still get to do it. i don't get to do it as much as i would like, but i do get to work with doris kearns goodwin. i'm still working with bob woodward and john irving, who is my favorite novelist of all time. and i've worked with john on three of his novels, the first one, which i think is really a classic, is called in one person. and it was years ahead of the curve on on transgender rights. and and then i did ays most recd the last chairlift and john, i think is one of the greatest novelists alive and and for all time and i've been reading him since i was in high school. i think he's a pure storyteller and somebody who's been able to write about the changing the changing nature of our culture, the the the and the and the waye ret and love again. janet and karp, is it his topics or his style that attracts you to john irving? both. i think that h

>> it's a very hard decision for president to make both harry truman and lyndon johnson thought about not running again for months before they announced it in maybe in both cases, they had a hard time, if you will, pulling the trigger in the end but they made this decision, and the decision was a lonely one. they made it themselves in the case of lyndon johnson, his family when his family discovered that he was considering this, didn't want them to do it in the case of harry truman, he talked to keep send a signal to his daughter, his beloved daughter, that he was thinking of this. and there's no evidence there was any pushback. so it's a very lonely decision. and both truman and johnson's case they were mired in an unpopular war for true minute was the korean war for johnson, it was vietnam both were tired and both were ready to leave the oval office. nevertheless, it was a tough decision to make now, we're in a different situation. the situation we're in now is that the incumbent president may or may not have been thinking about retirement, but he made very clear that he was running

so let's take harry truman's presidency as an. truman's presidency, one of the most corrupt in the 20th century. banner continued that the real story of that presidency consisted of policy issues such as the berlin airlift and the marshall plan and quote if you try to write history of the truman administration on the grounds of the misconduct of, the white house, then you're not really writing the history of the truman administration. at one point, a strong ideological skew among historian as against ronald reagan almost did him in. amid the disclosure of the iran-contra affair in 1988 american heritage ran an article by irwin friedman that put reagan in the same category as grant harding and nixon, complete with a cartoon one showing the four presidents falling into a hellish fiery pit around the same time, in his private correspondence, see woodward, despite doing his part during the 1950s to perpetuate the corruption narrative. describe the traditional narrative about the gilded age, including grant's presidency, as a howling a

but that, of course, is his medal of hon that president truman awarded to him. he was a very good friend of the museum's and andved a life of trying to represent the medal around the country. so, peter crane, if i were a world war two vet and i walked in here and saw this what i know what it is, you would definitely know that that is a life jacket. what you probably wouldn't is that this is a life jacket from the s.s. athenathe very first passenger liner torpedoed by the germans world war two. the athena was torpedoed two of war on the 1st of september 1939. and this is fully two years before the united states is in the war. and michael mcshane is was he was. he was on the athena. and that helped save his life. andr with, he had a number ofis lifejacket. and that's what we're seeing. andght here. as we continue. looking at? so this is a exhibit or a case about the aleutians campaign. this is one of the things that most americans really but when we think of world war two, w the pacific or it was over in europe. the war wasn't fought in the united states. well, ac

i think truman is overrated and reagan is underrated. i think that truman got us into korea and had no idea how to get us out. completely ineffective with dealing with mccarthyism. he gets a lot of credit for dropping bombs. there was no way that we were not going to drop those bombs. plan b was to invade japan. the best thing that happened to harry truman was the biography that endeared him to many. i'm very satisfied with my choice. as i mentioned, closely tied to the c-span poll. >> the historian survey done in 2021 is done every time there is a change of administration. done in 2021, 2017, 2009 and 2020. the presidents you mentioned in your book largely stay in the same position. why are those presidents widely regarded? >> in large part because throughout their presidencies they abided by leadership traits that caused them to be so successful for the most part. in all respects, people like washington and lincoln, integrity, credibility, all these persons are extremely effective communicators. there is a historical record of each of

but by 1949, truman had appointed four justices, almost half the court.so world war two really corresponds the time of the roosevelt court. but some of the roosevelt justices, of course, including black and douglas, you know, served for a considerable period of time. but there was a sort of very great turnover, very quickly, the legacy of the court. on the other hand, in my view was very long and all, you know, the areas we were talking about where the supreme court recognized protected constitutional rights in self conscious contrast to our enemies those became very cornerstones of the supreme court's jurisprudence for many decades so just as examples skinner versus oklahoma, the compulsory sterilizing law. it was the first time the supreme court recognized a fundamental liberty interest in the decision about whether to a child or not. and it became a very influential opinion. it is cited in versus wade and other reproductive cases. and of course now we have dobbs and the dissent turns in dobbs and dobbs decision that overruled roe versus wade. the disse

you know, harry truman was vice president. he only met with fdr alone twice when he was vice president. only twice. cheney was asked once in 2000, two how many times he had met alone with bush. and he reaches into a suit pocket, pulls out a schedule. he says, let me see. three, four, five, six, seven, seven times. he says, today, right. that tells you a lot. but it was true that he successfully pushed for various policies that he favored. he was pushing on an open door. george w bush wanted to go the places that cheney was taking him to go. he didn't resist that. bush has never, in all the research i've ever done, nobody has ever told me that bush told them that cheney made him do something he didn't want to do by second term. in fact, bush began even moving away from cheney. he began having new thoughts about how he wanted to approach foreign policy and domestic policy. they began disagreeing a whole lot more people don't really recognize that, but in fact, they were heading down different paths. bush was doing something on a

by the spring of 1951 truman simply fired general macarthur. the bloody war eventually ended in a draw in 1953. soviet combat aviation played a decisive role in allowing the complete liberation of north korea. if it were not for the ussr, then such a country as the dprk would not exist now. our help was decisive then, and the memory of it became part of the north korean genotype. hence the speed of convergence now, there is nothing to be surprised about, there are no secrets. and it is clear that pyongyang is sensitive to security issues and has an unyielding desire to possess nuclear weapons in addition to its missile arsenal. as for vietnam, here, too, the genetics of folk memory are in our favor: northern pro-soviet vietnam was attacked in the united states in 1964. first, artillery shelling from ships, then in 1965 carpet bombing from the air, and then a ground operation. the united states fought ingloriously for more than 10 years until the defeat of the flight in... for america, a shameful page in history: under 60 thousand americans died

in both cases, truman could run again because he had not served two full terms.minee lost. >> that's the point. yeah, exactly. they both lost. so, in this case, i think you see joe biden and the family over the summer, last spring, saying we are doing it. that was before october 7th. you never know, health concerns go a little bit, meaning that hamas, israel, which is collocated. his re-election possibilities due to the youth vote. they are all systems go ■çnow, chris. i don't see any way, shape, or form that joe biden and kamala harris are not going to march forward, certainly not because of the debate last night. it would have to be talking about something really heinous with their health, something that is really big to just come clean about. >> thank you very much. >>> still to come, let's say in the unlikely eventuality that the president does decide to bow out of the race. how exactly would that work? we will break down all the possibilities next. ities next. ♪♪ imagine a future where plastic is not wasted... but instead remade over and over... into the thi

harry truman's approval ratings in june and july were lower than joe biden's are today, and he basicallys saying they're not doing anything, they're not doing what you want, and labeled it. and i think that sets up joe biden well. >> so let's look at another part of this, which is that in our nbc news colleagues have been reporting about this, that trump's guilty verdict has been a major test for republican senate candidates in the battleground states, montana, tim sheehy launched a new spot saying his likely opponent, jon tester, supported joe biden's witch-hunt every step of the way. in ohio, republican bernie moreno launched a digital ad that criticized sherrod brown. you're seeing a trend here. how do you see this impacting those races? >> you know, this is very eerily similar to what happened in 2022, where the thing that republicans seemed to have to do to win the primaries was to say that the election was illegitimate and stolen. that seemed to be -- and state after state in key states where they wanted to pick up seats like arizona and michigan and nevada and other states, they n

just returned actually at the beginning of this year, and the aircraft carrier was called truman, trumann are the last ones , no, gerald ford is a new series, here is the main aircraft carrier of the previous series, nimetz, it should be withdrawn from the fleet next year because it has served its term, but let's call the aircraft carrier biden, but it will be, it will be, it will crouch all the time, not understand where it is and not understand where to shoot, george bush, sr., he is, there is no nixon, there is no nixon, no, they now have to be like you you name the boat, the composition of the fleet, kennedy, john fitzgerald kennedy, the allies are supposed to be accepted this year, they are already doing this, and moreover, now they will mobilize all their people , that’s what the supply of these missiles is, that they these contracts were canceled, in my opinion it’s just for the f-16, that’s exactly what they are two things must coincide, so the fact that our air war, well, as they believe, will begin in august, yes, and not a counter-offensive, it seems, as the americans write, th

quote, the establishment stated is real. truman said eventually i'm not interested. i don't think it's a good idea. but after discussion, she made some comments which remain true today. palestinians don't have money and they don't well use of america have money and they do, but look at allison's white. late allison gave hundreds of millions of dollars to the israel for ever has been sitting on the fence because she supported the opponents initially against the trump. and the last few days you said i'm giving you $100000000.00. yep. do what you want with it, just make sure it is real, has no headaches as no problem, just committed as much genocide as possible. so you have, this is the implicit, the where on the one hand you have laws, you have actual procedures. you have limits that in theory are passed to level the playing field to try to keep foreign governments outside of controlling domestic policies in politics, in the united states, you have the arms export control act. you have the, you have the allow react. if you have all these laws that have been passed to m

by the spring of 1951 truman simply fired general macarthur.. soviet combat aviation played a decisive role. allowing the complete liberation of north korea up to the thirty-eighth parallel. in total, our pilots destroyed 1,200 enemy aircraft. 22 of our aces were awarded the title of hero of the soviet union. the us lost 30,000 people killed and 100,000 wounded. china - up to 400,000. the korean people suffered the heaviest losses. on both sides up to 4 million. majority. and yet, if it were not for the ussr, then such a country as the dprk would not exist now. our help was decisive then, and the memory of it became part of the north korean genotype. hence the speed of convergence now, there is nothing to be surprised about, there are no secrets. and it is clear that pyongyang is sensitive to security issues and has an unyielding desire to have nuclear power. as for vietnam, here too the genetics of folk memory are in our favor: on northern pro-soviet vietnam was attacked by the us in 1964. first, artillery shelling from ships, then in 1965, ca

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and you know who else know about victory, dwight eisenhower and harry truman, the new something abouter close to i've years of fighting the in europe in general and eternal life on june 6, 1944, d-day of the set apart from the tightest turn, the freemen of the world are merging together to victory and i have full confidence in your courage, devotion, to duty skill and that will accept nothing less than victory also year after d-day president harry truman announced ve day of may 8th 1945 in which he said in part, this victory, we join in offering our thanks to the providence in which because guided and sustained us of the dark days of adversity rejoice and sobered is subdued by the supreme consciousness of the terrible price that we have paid through the world of hitler, and his evil band and if i can give away simple watch for the coming months, the board is working, work, and more working we must work coveted finish the work in our victory is only half over but much remains to be done in the victory one in the west and is now being born in the east for the triumph of spirit in arms h

. >> harry truman would not have done harry truman would not have done hiroshima and nagasaki despite trump's baseless accusations of a two-tier justice system that seems to be working well in his favor right now, judge aileen cannon is entertaining his claim that a special counsel investigation is unlawful, and the supreme court has taken his time weighing trump's immunity claim for nearly two months, potentially delaying the january 6 case until after the election. >> let's discuss now with a yale law political science professor aqeel reed amar, he clerk for supreme court justice stephen breyer, and is the author of the words that made us america's constitutional conversation also with me, debra pearlstein, professor of constitutional law at princeton. she clerked for a supreme court justice john paulson stevens. debra, let me start with you first. thanks to both you for being on with us. the court took less than three weeks to decide us versus nixon which clarified the extent of executive privilege during the watergate scandal. obviously, this is a different case, but why is it tak

was also created, in order to obtain approval from the fbi the creation of the cia, president harry trumandirector fbi john edgar guevre that the cia would be a division of the fbi. it was a lie, he deceived. he did this simply to silence hoover, and then when the cia was finally created, it was presented to hoover and congress as an organization that was created specifically to fight the soviet union and communism. in fact, the us was the last major country to establish an intelligence service. they previously had a wartime organization called the office of strategic services, but it specialized in combat. with nazism, the goal of the cia was to fight communism, after which the course of first destroying the soviet union, and then russia, never changed. in 1951, with the participation of the central intelligence agency , the so-called american committee was created. liberation of the peoples of russia, which after some time established, as you remember, radio free europe, one of the main mouthpieces of such evil anti-soviet propaganda. listen, listen, today a new liberation radio station

so truman says what's the reason? he most cases it's bad teeth but it's creating an environment of unhealthy people. so go forward to the early 1960s and the congress created the national school lunch program largely because of the report on bad teeth. and what that does to a kid's health. i would suggest you don't forget dentists in this process because if they look into the mouth that's where the food goes in, folks. once it's in the body to hard to see that but you can see a quite easily in the mouth. so i just would mention that as well. just a couple of quick things that i might add as well. one of the panelists talked about eating out.t. well you know and this relates to the issue of marketing and advertising in foods. remember years ago they had the dancing strawberries and the dancing blueberries. you y are probably too young to remember this these are programs where commodity groups tried to get people to eat more of their products and promotion problems that they would have. they would advertise things like

. >> the man seen here shaking hands with president harry truman in 1951, was iran's prime minister, mohammad mossadegh he was very adept at the theater of politics, who was a great orator. he was incorruptible. >> four years mossadegh had complained about the agreement that had given the british control of iran's oil resources the vast majority of revenue for your running, you would go to the british government not to the people of iran. there was probably almost 9010 but in a momentous decision, the parliament voted to nationalize the oil industry. then 11 mossadegh as prime minister. one month later as soon as he nationalized the oil, the british decided that they want to overthrow him the truman administration has stopped him and said no, this has to have a diplomatic solution. >> so from 51 to 53, there is an effort by the us to broker diplomatic agreement between the british and iran. >> herrmann, along with us ambassador grady seeks to end the oil dispute between breton and iran. >> the agreement never materialized. >> the united states was in the early years of tensions with

do you remember the truman show? it is a beautiful city and everything seems perfect except there is a property at the top. the white house is a puppeteer they have merrick garland because merrick garland allows the report to come out they have not when audiotapes come out. we cannot hear than 90 minutes of time interview or the 35 minutes, they need a truman show for joe biden to get reelected. >> david: to the point of editing, i did not edit anyone. maybe a sneeze or something, but you want to hear the full context of someone's reference point. if you think about it, this is a administration that goes back to obama that spies on reporters, you have the representation of agencies against the press, you have social media, you've got collusion, real collusion between the tech giants in the white house. you have the force of federal regulation being used, this is modus operandi for the democrats and the government. joe biden, they are just protecting him to protect their power. their goal is america. their goal is not

just really quickly, the thing that i want to note about president truman. in 1947, truman established, the us commission on rights and this commission, a report card to secure these rights. to secure these rights as very important. so, you know, we talked about a lot of things in this class. this you should just at least this 1947, the u.s. commission on civil rights issued a report card to secure these rights and. the report stated that racial segregation racial excuse me, racial desegregation was a desire, well, national goal was a desirable national goal. so we see these academic studies that are going influence decision makers and people have a thinking about race relations. we're also going to see because there are racial riots people are going to be thinking about race relations in different ways. and so all of that is going to all of that is going to impact impact, some would say the the the court cases is going to create a social environment which was favored will to changing the laws with respect to race and racial segregation. just a couple of cas