just ask them to describe donald trump. ♪ - trump is my hero president. - trump is kind of a force. -is aura came in the room before he did. - donald trump is our first rock star superhero president. - he's a very tall man. little bit shorter than yourself. very big man. uh, nice, big hands. - he's a man for all the people, i think. he didn't need this job whatsoever either. the white house is honestly like a downgrade from his penthouse suite and everything. - yeah, it feels like it's a downgrade for america too. - he's just a peaceful person in general, i think. - and he puts those protesters down like that. - yes. - which causes peace pretty quickly. - yeah. - he's got skin that is-- is about as thick as it gets and-- - don-- who does? - donald. donald trump. - donald trump is? - yeah, thick skin. he's-- - thick skin? he gets mad if a celebrity makes fun of him on twitter. - he's the real-life tony stark. they should call him president iron man. - well, tony stark gave a shit about science. - (laughs) uh... - of course, you can't be a true superhero without some tragic flaws. - som

they were good for trump. they were good for giuliani. it is only when the attempted winners become the losers that it wears risk. it makes me go back to the question of why he didn't pardon giuliani before he left office, didn't pardon other people. >> why? >> it seemed like that was about to happen at the end. now you think to yourself, huh, these people really are at risk of being prosecuted. they missed their chance. >> right. it is as if the timing of the things you do for trump is the most important thing because he had no sense of shame or guilt or anything about pardoning so many around him. this will go down in many ways as more extreme than watergate with regard to the coverup. whether the underlying crimes are the same. but the coverup was all in the open. people like matt gaetz were reportedly seeking pardons, but giuliani didn't get one. it is all a story that's clearly not over. we wanted your legal journalistic take in addition to mr. cohen's experience as a participant. thank you for being part

trump: i was told by dr.ou are going to have the vaccine is three years. and it could be five years. it could be longer than that and it could also not happen. and then i got involved. i said that's ridiculous. i got involved with the fda. they hate me so badly and i understand it. >> sean: give me a list of people that hate you. but you are okay with that. >> mr. trump: we are helping people. we are saving tens of millions of people with the vaccine. so, i pushed them. they had all of the statutory periods.im they have to go a certain speed. if we had it done in less than 9 months, it would have taken minimum three years. i don't think they ever would have had -- >> sean: didn't you back them up financially as well? >> mr. trump: but yes. but i did two things. i backed the companies that financially. pfizer didn't want to admit it. no, pfizer is really income okay? i will give you a little breaking news. pfizer is in with the fda and what the fda did with johnson & johnson is so stupid. you know, they all wa

now the former president trump is pushing back on the "new york times" report. in a statement he says the fund-raising efforts were all done legally, and he adds, quote, many people were so enthusiastic that they gave over and over and in certain cases where they gave too much we would promptly refund their contribution or overall dispute rate was less than 1% of total

perpetrated by trump's b.s. derek chauvin claiming those famous words of george floyd's "i can't breathe" resisting arrest. matt gaetz saw a pardon from trump. would you do that if you had not done anything wrong? let's go "out front." good evening, i am erin burnett. out front tonight, one of the people charged after storming the u.s. capitol agreed to help the justice department in its case against the proud boys' leadership. according to an attorney familiar to the case, it could lead to more severe charges against those allegedly involved in the insurrection. that comes with grave charges for anyone blamed for the insurrection. john boehner is putting the blame on trump for the deadly attack. boehner writes in his book. "trump incited that bloody insurrection for nothing more than selfish reasons, per perpetuated b.s." again, to be clear of the significance of this. the former republican speaker calling the insurrection actual terrorism brought on my members of his own party. people he served with like congr

they are mega people, trump loyalists. trump has backed both of them.he swamp are trying to bring down ron desantis and matt gaetz. host: what do you think about the accusations against matt gaetz? you have -- guest: you have this jailhouse snitch sitting in trial awaiting trial on sex trafficking. he will say whatever he's got to say tuesday shave time off of his sentence. the story went for about a week and have. i'm not seen any proof that shows any of these are true. host: what makes you believe he is not guilty? guest: in america you are innocent until your proven guilty. i am not going to convict a man in the court of public opinion. i'm not seen one woman come forward. where is the 17-year-old girl that he supposedly trafficked at that is 19 now? there is a story that he went to president trump that he went for an advance pardon and that is fake news. host: our guest is buying crack and if you want to ask them questions about the issue of florida politics, national politics, you can give us a call and let us know. for republicans (202) 748-8001,

>> donald trump jr. and ivanka trump. president of the united states, thus wrote a personal check for the payment of hush money, as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. i concluded that don jr. was referring to that june 2016 trump tower meeting about dirt on hillary, with the russian representatives when he walked behind his dad's desk that day. and that mr. trump knew that was the meeting that don jr. was talking about when he said, that's good, let me know. >> is there any other wrongdoing or illegal act that you are aware of regarding donald trump that we haven't yet discussed today? >> yes, and again, those are part of the investigation that's currently being looked at by the southern district of new york. >> joining us now is michael cohen. he's the author of a book about his time with the ex-president, it's called, "disloyal: a memoir, a true story of the former personal attorney to donald j. trump." he also hosts the podcast, mea culpa. thank you so much for spending some time with us today.

he had said everything he did was for donald trump. what do you think this means for trump? trump made it impossible to think of all this situation without trump in it and as you just pointed out quite rightly, whatever rudy giuliani was doing, he was doing it at the request of donald trump, that's why he was in ukraine. he was there, he was operating without actual -- president trump does not have the authority to name some private citizens to replace his state department, that was problematic. rudy was not just communicating with people that were pushing propaganda, rudy was trying to remove somebody who had the most ideal reputation, enormous integrity. when he talks about it, he basically is lying. as we just pointed out, he lies about every aspect of this case. every aspect of this situation. i think trump is going to go down with rudy the more rudy keeps lying outrageously a bt not just his conduct but the integrity of the justice department. >> abby, this is the thing. this does raise huge risk for trump. rudy knows a lot and he could be staring at the least. this lob

that is what trump world. it is and of course, trump world is still essentially in control in the republican party. but today felt like a minefield in terms of stories like that. these things left behind that we are still mired and as a country that we sort of can't escape the stink of as a country. even as the country is trying to take off a new different erection. for example, today the united state supreme court, the court in its infinite wisdom assigned to justice brett kavanaugh the task of writing the majority opinion in a sweeping new ruling that essentially reinstates sentences of life without parole for kids. there was no outright rule banning that that -- life without parole for juvenile offenders -- but there was strong settled supreme court precedent making that sentence only available in a very narrow circumstances. people convicted of crimes that occurred while they were children. justice kavanaugh's opinion today blows that up. it blows up all that precedent. which is one thing on its own terms,

well, trump world found out. turns out on the trump server, the server from germany, it was the real election results as seen on this map obtained by a dude on twitter. and as you can see in this map, donald trump secretly won the election with more than 400 electoral votes including the electoral votes in california which in reality is a state trump lost by nearly 30 points. but the secret server in germany tells a different story. of all the trump world conspiracy theories after the election, this one about the german servers and the military thing was definitely the most baroque and maybe the most insane. and here's a sitting member of congress, congressman louie gohmert, permitting this, of course, on facebook, also on a conservative tv channel called newsmax. it was also featured on one america news. they even broadcast a picture of the map that was supposedly found on the servers that were seized in the raid. the map showed, among other things, that trump won california. the company that got hit with this c

the trump campaign chairman in 2016 was paul manafort, recently pardoned by president trump p after trump lost reelection. manafort was described in the mueller report as having sent private, non-public, sensitive e campaign polling data, internal campaign polling data from the trump campaign to this guy p konstantin kilimnik to help trump. why did paul manafort give kilimnick that secret trump polling data in the summer of 2016? we don't know. the mueller team didn't explain. they described kilimnick as associated with russian w intelligence but they never described why manafort was giving campaign intelligence to him. the senate committee described kilimnick bluntly as somebody who was a russian intelligence officer, let's just cut to the chase. but as to why trump's campaign chair was giving a russian intelligence officer sensitive n internal campaign polling data during the campaign? the senate intelligence committee said they couldn't tell. quote, on numerous occasions manafort sought to secretly share internal campaign information with kilimnick. the committee was unable to reliably

rudy guiliani and donald trump have had their wires crossed throughout the trump administration, and rudy was a key figure in both impeachments involving donald trump, and let's remember there are two guiliani associates are under indictment, and part of that case relates to money from fraud guarantee, and that's the name of the company, and for reasons we don't quite know, and that could be part of what the southern district is investigating here. >> david, the political circle of life, if you will here, is quite remarkable. many americans know rudy guiliani as being mr. trump's personal attorney, and he's also known as the new york mayor, and he was being tough on crime and tough on the mob federal prosecutor in the attorney's office in new york that just served a search warrant on him? >> i don't know many people that have served as the u.s. attorney that later in life gets a search warrant executed in some investigation. but you are right to note the trajectory here. think about what we are talking about. rudy guiliani was the image of law and order at the beginning of his politi

is still donald trump's party, still finding ways to pay donald trump money.eteran of the reagan and bush administration. great to see you guys. jason, give me your assessment. how much power does donald trump still have over the republican party? he has all of the power until they come up with another leader. josh hawley, ted cruz, none have the charisma or reputation of donald trump. it is not uncommon for the last president from the party to be the party leader. he is disgraced and hated with a large chunk of the population. i don't know why republicans keep going to the same well. i don't think they have a lot of ideas. we saw that last fall. they literally had no party platform other than reaffirming their loyalty to donald trump. they will stick with it as long as they can. what they can't accomplish in the ballot box, trump is the number one way to get it done. >> you have a message with the group that you work with. i want to play just a little bit of it. >> lindsey graham, ron johnson. they are go to mar-a-lago to kiss donald trump's ring. to pledge t

trump voters support the dream act and trump voters believe that kids who were brought into the countryo fault of their own have right to deserve citizenship and emphasize the word earn and hostile to immigrant population is inaccurate, howie. the press' responsibility particularly now with conditions this difficult to tell the truth and tell it accurately and in this case on immigration, they're not accurately communicating where trump voters really stand on the issue. howie: fascinating. i would also say that the border is the one issue where the media have been by in large pretty tough on president biden and his handling or lack of handling of the mess, but i also sense that the coverage is starting to fade a bit because the story has gotten a bit old and not much has changed, your thoughts? frank: that may be the case, the issue right now this is a long-term challenge and we have to find a way to separate the border security from the immigration itself. the american people believe that the system is broken that there should be a legal, lawful way for those who want that have a chanc

>> well, of course, congressman gaetz wants to make this all about trump and the anti-trump fervor. trying to associate himself with the trump base, of whom he's been a leading champion in the last four years. saying it's all political, all the same kind of persecution that they went after the president that the supporters all admire. the problem is, he's not actually been embraced by many of the figures in trump's world. trump himself has only issued a two-sentence statement saying, no, he didn't directly ask me for a blanket pardon. he didn't say he believed him or that he's being unfairly treated. he didn't come to congressman gaetz's defense in any way. you see the congressman trying to put himself in that position as yet another victim, that people are out to get him like the trump view. >> and for everybody who hasn't been following the story, this comes on the heels of joel greenberg, the seminole county tax collector. his lawyer suggesting he'll make a deal with prosecutors, saying i'm sure matt gaetz is not feeling very comfortable today. michael cohen issuing a kind of war

theer trump businesses. which is remarkable given of courseof all of the fuss they made about hillary clinton. there were early reports that senior white house officials were using what we call disappearing message apps. two of them basically you get a message on your phone, and as you are reading literally as your scrolling vanishes. so that no record is preserved. along with some historians and other government actually challenge that practice in court and was nott successful. we know that people like jared kushner were frequent users of another application called whatsapp. it is far from clear again that was on his personal device, whether or not he transfer those messages with all the metadata and attachments to an official e-mail account. and we know, again this was the >> of w a lawsuit that crew and others are brought, we know the president really resisted creating records in the first place. for example, the multiple times he met with putin he took steps to make sure no records weree created. he did

the trump campaign chairman was paul manafort, he was recently pardoned by donald trump. he was described in the report as having a shared polling data, internal campaign data to this guy paul manafort konstantin kilimnik during the summer of 2016 while they were working to try to influence the election to help trump. why did paul manafort give konstantin kilimnik that secret polling data in the summer of 2016? we don't know. at least we didn't know. the mueller team didn't explain. they described him as associated with russian intelligence. but they never said why paul manafort was giving a campaign to this guy associated with the russian intelligence. that is how mueller left it. and then the senate intelligence committee looked at it too and they couldn't explain, and they went further in describing konstantin kilimnik bluntly as a intelligence officer. they said that he was associated with russian intelligence, we but they say that he is just a russian officer. as to why trump's campaign chair was giving a russian intelligence officer sensitive internal polling data d

and trump tried to cheat after the vote after the vote that beat donald trump with the same lawyer, giuliani, going around the country trying to find people to change vote tallies and find votes in georgia and stop the electors, leading to the violent and failed insurrection to stop those electors on the last possible day. on that formal certification day of january 6th. you remember it. we remember it. the president is going to speak about it at some point tonight, we're told. we all lived through it. but today with this legal news, we are learning that during much of that time prosecutors were urgently pushing to get live evidence from giuliani who was protected reportedly by trump's aids as giuliani fought to keep trump in power illegally. they tried to end american democracy and overthrow the election. even today, if i sit here and say that fact to you in the news, it sounds sort of extreme to say. but it's what they tried. it was extreme. trump remains under criminal investigation for that plot in georgia right now and giuliani is under increasing, heavier pressure right now. and then i

they're choosing donald trump. donald trump didn't choose any of them. this affirmative selection of him to be their leader, they have to boost him up. he doesn't have a platform on which to communicate. they're propping him up to continue to lead them. why go out of their way to perpetuate that dysfunctional relationship that now distributes to a domestic violence extremism threat in the country? >> because where do you go? where else during at this point? for normal people, yeah, you would go somewhere else, you would back away from it. kevin mccarthy has been given opportunity after opportunity to set a different course, to raise a different narrative. but the reality, he wants to be speaker of the house, this is the path to take to get there, if the moment should come, donald trump is not going to be there for kevin mccarthy because donald trump will find somebody else more legitimately trumpian than the speaker of the house. these folks put themselves out there for someone that doesn't care about them, would not put himself out there for them, so th

and the trump organization.at we're focusing on is a guy by the name of barry weisselberg. barry was married for 14 years to jennifer weisselberg. so, why do we care about jennifer weisselberg? well, she just turned over three boxes and a laptop to cy vance's office and investigators that included financial documents, account statements, credit card statements, bank account statements, that included not only her ex-husband's stuff but allen weisselberg's stuff, because apparently, barry and his dad, allen, had joint accounts together. and what they're doing is they're trying to build and what i think in my legal opinion, the cy vance's office is trying to build a legal case against allen weisselberg's son. and in order to do that, that would then incentivize allen weisselberg to flip on donald trump. allen weisselberg has declared his complete and utter loyalty to donald trump and the trump organization, but as i previously wrote in a column for msnbc online, why would a parent pick donald trump when they could

trump didn't invent this scam. perfected it and taken it to new levels of unethical conduct. >> you're really talking about the part that carries over. to max's point, this goes to the that question of who is really running the priorities, right? max, you once upon a time advised romney and others on policy. it seems there isn't even a pretense, joan, of people getting up and talking about policy on the right, whatever it might be, whether you look at the example of the literally not putting out a policy platform for the first time in the modern era under trump because you didn't need to because policy wasn't important to the dog whistles, the race issue. we're hearing from john boehner who is not a very credible person but saying, gosh, we couldn't keep the party together anymore because it was all about these base issues. the last point i'll make on that, joan, is the group company that was working hand in glove with trump on this was just another for-profit company. they didn't care one way or another. they were

donald trump is no longer president so the others ride off with their pardons from trump but giuliani has no protection and clearly narrowing in on him seriously. >> we talk to congressman schiff after this so thank you for starting us off. we'll talk about it here. thanks to all three for starting us off. >>> someone who knows just how sbi cattily tied to the ukraine rudy giuliani really is. congressman adam schiff will be our guest. >>> and we are a few hours away from president biden's first address to a joint session of congress as the opposition party with an assist from conservative media desperately attempting and failing to beat him back throwing everything from beef, books and dr. seuss his way. >>> plus some advice from a former republican to democrats hoping to capitalize on the popularity of president biden's agenda. focus on the suburbs and make the gop own the insurrection. all that and more when we continue after a quick break. don't go anywhere. where. [doorbell rings] thanks, baby. yeah, we 'bout to get spicy for this virtual date. spicy like them pajama pants. hey, t

you have used the word in connection with donald trump.ought did you give to the consequences of using that word? well, i mean, to be very clear, when we talk about fascism, we're not talking about something, which is in a laboratory somewhere, you know, in some kind of an experiment, we're talking about a current of thought and action, which was very much present in the united states and europe. it didn't win everywhere. it won in some places, but it was present pretty much everywhere. in the 1920s and 1930s, the germans were inspired by the americans, notjust the other way around. fascism is an international trend and it's still with us. now, with mr trump, what i said very specifically was post truth, which is his way of carrying out politics, is pre—fascism. that is to say, if by way of technology and talent, you clear the field of the idea of factuality, you're opening the way for the big lie. and the big lie is the trap that people fall into and leads them to do things like, for example, violently storm a parliament, whichjust happen

and i watched mitch mcconnell flip from being very anti-trump after january 6th to pretty pro-trump nows said he would also support trump if he was the nominee in 2024 as well. so what you see is where the real party is not the elected officials but the base and the local activists. and they told the party, we're a trump party. if you're republican, it means you support donald trump and now you have seen the nikki haleys, the mcconnells and so on flip back because the party activists told them they had to. >> yeah. and it just shows the value you can put in any of those words for a former president for all the talk of what he would do, he's around but he's not loud. he's not on television that much. he's not on the internet that much. they're just afraid of the hold he has. that's why that autopsy analysis makes sense. thanks for being here. >> good to see you. >> yes, sir. >>> coming up, there is late-breaking news on the doj suing roger stone. also, new heat on ted cruz. we will get into why he keeps finding himself in these controversies. >>> and something very special i want you to

trump!r trump! >> invade the capitol building! let's take the capitol! >> take the capitol! >> take the capitol! >> take the capitol right now! >> joining us now, laurence tribe, university professor of constitutional law emeritus at harvard law school. he's won 35 cases in the united states supreme court. thank you for joining us. i've been eager to get your analysis of these police officer lawsuits, because they're of a kind of less legally complicated sort than what the members of congress have filed. this seems like a much more traditional tort after an injury suffered because of someone else's reckless conduct. >> exactly. the lawsuits filed by the congressmen, including representative swalwell and representative thompson are very strong. they rely on laws going back to the civil war era. slightly complicated, insurrection, rebellion, not terms that juries are necessarily familiar with. and the question of whether members of congress have what is called standing to file suits of that ki

a con artist, as my fellow guest noted, promoting trump casinos, trump universities, trump mother-in-lawsministration which ended up being a scam and we know the trump campaign was a scam. donald trump once told me in office -- an oval office meeting that he believed even if he didn't have a reason to sue someone, it was good to sue them because you got them to settle and do what you wanted. my suggestion for people who have been affected by this is maybe they should consider using donald trump's own advice and suing him back. but we'll see what happens. >> what an oval office conversation. >> thank you both for being here. >>> coming up, impending disaster. hundreds of millions of radioactive wastewater is on the brink of flooding neighborhoods in florida. the race to contain this next. >>> tonight nbc news senior national correspondent kate snow investigates for-profit companies that run youth homes. it's a system some say profits off of and has failed many vulnerable children. so, what is being done to fix it? you can watch "children that pay" tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern tonight on n

and that just because people who were in the capitol were wearing trump shirts and trump hats doesn't necessarily make them trump supporters. anybody can get those shirts. >> reporter: but a lot of them have been shown to be trump supporters through indictments. >> i don't know that to be true. >> reporter: i think some people who watch this who are not trump supporters would say here's a trump supporter in denial about january 6th. >> you don't have to say that to me because i've had friends and family say that to me. they think i'm crazy, i'm a conspiracy theorists because of the election was stolen. >> reporter: speaking of your family calling you conspiracy theorist marjory taylorgreen is going to be speaking here this weekend. she's known as the qanon congresswoman. >> i don't know what's so terrible about qanon. can you tell me? >> it's a baseless conspiracy theory. >> well, what is so terrible about conspiracy theories anyway. can you tell me? i mean there were conspiracy theories behind jfk's assassination. i'm old enough to remember all the conspiracy theories that swirled ar

trump's spokesperson previously said trump played no part inciting the riot at the capitol.ore than 300 people have been charged for their role in the capitol attack and they're still appearing in court almost daily, but prosecutors have told a judge they are close to a plea deal with at least one defendant, john shaffer. >> my name is john shaffer, i'm from indiana. >> reporter: a 53-year-old heavy metal guitarist with ties with extremist groups. he is still sitting in jail. we've learned at least one defendant has flipped against the proud boys agreeing to provide information that could allow prosecutors to bring more severe charges against the extremist group's leadership. several members have already been charged with conspiracy. jessica schneider, cnn, washington. >>> former u.s. president donald trump released a statement wednesday saying that republican lawmaker matt gaetz never personally asked him for a pardon. now, two people familiar with the matter tell cnn the congressman privately asked the white house for a preemptive pardon for himself for the end of trump's

donald trump, they just want to keep riding the trump train.ber, this is a guy who ran for president and failed to get over 47% of the vote plus. what's happening here is a doubling down on donald trump is their forever leader and so many of the decisions that political leaders are making in the republican party is based on newsmax, oann, and sean hannity and 10% to 15% of the country which is the activist wing of the republican party. and so as a democrat, the healthiest thing we need as a country is for the republican party to heal itself and become more competitive because we are going to live under constant threat of this democracy vanishing. they have fully embraced autocracy now. there's a lot of odious parts of the bill in georgia but the state legislature saying no matter what the voters say, if we don't like the outcome, we can overturn it. similar efforts in arizona. this is a very dark time for democracy. there's no optimism in the republican party right now. it's all darkness and grievance and blame game. it's about as far away from

support and defend donald trump as the party leader and prepare for the moment if trump is not runningkes the helm of the party why what is the '24 republican presidential race look like? >> yeah. the reason to do this segment is there's no politician in modern history or any history who's thrown more supporters and colleagues under the bus. let's talk about someone else. john boehner with a book laying into trump and other members of the gop referring to ted cruz as lucifer in the flesh among other things. >> beat anybody up. not my style. except that jerk. perfect symbol. you know? of getting elected, make a lot of noise, draw attention to yourself, raise a lot of money which means you make more noise, raise more money and it's really -- it is unfortunate. >> david, ted cruz responded on twitter saying i wear with pride his scorn. wow. tough ted. ted had his wife mocked by donald trump and incited an inrecollection on donald trump's re-election behalf. >> yeah. it is interesting because we can kind of talk about palace intrigue, when i served with boehner and cruz boehner didn't hide

donald trump think. >> got it. dave, i want to ask but this former trump staffer.the fbi last being. this investigation has been going on cynic the final months of the trump administration. what do you make of the time line in terms of this wrapping up? >> well, first, that nelson guy, he didn't provide any information. i would have called his prorns a nothing burger but would be an insult to nothing burgers. what a waste of time. i think this investigation will wrap up pretty soon. usually jnlly, you talk to the target, or the subject, toward the end. and the fact that gaetz blew off this whole undercover investigation into extortion just seems like it is all coming to a head. and i have to believe there's going to be a charge pretty soon. i saw his op ed today. and he is relying on two defenses. he's never paid for sex or that he is an adult man, has not slept with a 17-year-old. even if you accept both of those as true, co-still be charged and convicted with child sex trafficking. it doesn't require that you pay or sex or that you had sex. if you enticed or recr

it's not just about trump anymore.f republicans who might just well run for president in 2024 and maybe they don't run if trump does. but there are other folks in the party, people like ron desantis, the governor of florida, and mike pence, the former vice president, all potentially planning their own runs for president. it seems unlikely pence would challenge trump directly, but these other groups starting are the building blocks to have a political operation in place to potentially run for president on his own right. >> before we let you go, we know congressman matt gaetz has been a trump loyalist through and through. he's facing his own investigation, several of them, doj and house ethics investigation. did trump mention gaetz at all last night? >> to the best of my knowledge, he did not. he did call out several of his most loyal supporters. jim jordan, mark meadows. i was not told he mentioned gaetz. i can't disprove it for certain but i don't think he mentioned matt gaetz, even as gaetz gave a speech at a differen

the trump administration got caught multiple times. they got reamed out by multiple federal judges for ways they were trying to engineer an under count of people, basically, of people of color, ways they were doing the census wrong. ways they were dragging their feet and just not getting it done right. the last time they were in court over the census was when they were deciding to end the census early that they wanted to stop counting before they were done. that was i think the last thing they went to court for. they went to court over a lot of the different aspects of ways they appeared to be deliberately screwing it up. so given that, when we look at the new census numbers just out today and they say u.s. population growth is down, way down, down further than it has ever been except for the 1930s in the great depression, maybe that's true. it's totally plausible that that's true, but there's lots of reasons to think this is going to be the big asterisk census in modern american history because of who carried it out, right? this will

>> well, we know donald trump is only going to look out for donald trump. he has his own legal troubles facing him, so he has no time for someone like matt gaetz. the first article of the constitution is the legislative branch, so we know for the framers intended for this to be a branch to uphold democracy. he does not have a lot of long-standing friends. we're seeing that people within the republican party are trying to move away from this right wing extremist notion that donald trump solidified in four years and try to become a little more moderate so they actually have a future moving forward in 2022 and 2024. matt gaetz is not part of that plan. why would you cast your lot with someone facing possible pedophilia charges and other charges when the republicans have bigger fish to fry when they're trying to win back state houses and push forward a different type of agenda. this is a distraction for someone they barely know, and they're not willing to sort of risk their own reputation for someone like him. >> yeah. and, michael, when somebody says that they

they have the extra dose of trump to get over the trump hangover.red trump a lot but i don't deny that i enjoy it. i actually think he's the most interesting political phenomena of my lifetime so i actually look at -- i never deny that i'm doing it which is why we are more honest than they are. they pretend, they pretend it's suffering and stressful but they are getting clicks off the conflict that they create. howie: all right. you've talked about -- you've been critical of major league baseball for moving the all-star game out of atlanta and also of the business community. you said screw all corporations. is it your view that a lot of the companies are totally completely obsessed in interesting in making money? greg: well, actually it's cowards. i think corporate america, a lot of corporate america has made a deliberate decision to protect themselves from a tinny, tinny woke collective. we are talking like a thousand people. maybe ten thousand and sent two signals at least to me and people that have been paying attention. some corporations are now

you couldn't get trump to do anything that was not 100% in favor of trump. even his own voters know that. he took all your money, he said he was going to set up lawsuits and it went over 60 lawsuits. he pocketed the rest three separate and he's a con man. everybody knows it. republicans like him because -- but when it comes to joe biden it's not like oh my god we made it its shangri-la. the guy is the definition of the corporate -- and has been for years. his current bills is war and drugs now has he gotten better? yes he's adjusting to the political whims and right now the country is a veryd. progressive. voters are n massively progresse are but the onlyss reason he became president other than bernie sanders is because he was the only oneer who could be dond trump. barely a donald trump but did we have to push joe biden? >> guest: to push them a lot to get into a halfway decent place. if you want i cano give you one example. >> host: pleaseul do. >> guest: the 15-dollar minimum wage. every democrats said we are in favor of the 15-dollar minimum wage for the

during the trump years. and i think what we're seeing now that's also going to be a very rocky and really interesting period in the next couple of months is the cutoff between u.s. and russia which was bound to happen at some point after the trump administration. >> so, andrew, clint uses the word "coup." i'm going go there. do you think we will ever know if trump could have won without putin's help? >> no, we won't know that. i don't think -- i don't think that's really actually knowable because i don't think you can really have any individual will be able to say i'm not really sure why i voted this way or that way. but in terms of the systemic issue, it's really important that none of us ever have to ask that question again. and i do think what happened today is something that we should really expect to see more of. we now have a rule of law administration that now has access to the data that was available to the trump administration. and so this is a huge bombshell today in terms of information, but i wou

base, which is completely dictated on what donald trump does, and nobody really know what's donald trump is thinking. now, i'm not saying that's the right way to be handling it. i don't think that it is. i think that they should be, you know, dealing with this issue. it's a pretty serious thing to be doing, you know, on the house floor. it's unacceptable. it's creating a sexually hostile environment. it's disrespectful to women. we could sit here all night and talk about all the things that are wrong with it. but they seem unwilling to deal with this because they don't want to do anything that could potentially upset the trump base. it's just the same story over and over again. >> i've got to ask one more question. we're going a bit long here. but, dave, where do you see this going next? i mean because i just spoke to you just a couple days ago, and every time we speak or i see you do an interview, there has been some new development that seems to be a bit more trouble for matt gaetz. >> don, there are really three investigations here, and it's the third one that's most problematic for g

donald trump.rty to deal with it and deal with it now. i didn'tly. >> eugene daniels and robert gibbs, we will return. >>> we're talking about the pentagon. we'll tell you about it after a quick break. pentagon we'll tell you about it after a quick break. and tackle four things at once. so when her car got hit, she didn't worry. she simply filed a claim on her usaa app and said... i got this. usaa insurance is made the way kate needs it - easy. she can even pick her payment plan so it's easy on her budget and her life. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa. before discovering nexium 24hr usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. to treat her frequent heartburn, marie could only imagine enjoying freshly squeezed orange juice. now no fruit is forbidden. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. can you imagine 24 hours without heartburn? this is our block. our place. our people. watch the curb. not having a ride to get the vaccine. can't be the reason you d

you would argue today trump is the republican party, and republicans are donald trump.ake the opt-in/opt-out selection increasingly complicated. and apparently with each evolution it got trickier and trickier for donors to understand whether they were opting in or opting out. what strikes me, alex, though, and this goes to kind of the value set of the organization, it would be rare for a president of the united states to know about the software platform for fundraising and collecting from donors. my question is did donald trump know about this scheme, and i would say maybe he didn't, which is even more indicting. the team around donald trump was as corrupt as he is, this is the culture of a trump organization, and the political team had a green light to engage in this type of predatory behavior when it comes to people's finances. >> let me take that one step further. that interpretation, which i hadn't thought of, that would also indicate that those around him would say, look, donald trump may not know about this but even if he finds out, he'll be okay with it. >> look,

trump in a way that might upset him, is this story going to be all about trump, mr.him. and then liz cheney, does not seem to have a liberal bone in herbody and is now essentially being shunned by her party because she voted to impeach the former president after inciting a deadly insurrection. and we have a piece on the fall-out of the vote and the party's fear of trump's rath. colleagues confided that the party is happy to move on from trump but saying it in public was a different story. it risked getting the liz cheney treatment. that cheney was willing to face trump's wrath called attention to the fact that most of them were not. a writer at large for the "new york times" magazine joins me now. robert, one thing that came through in the great piece as i was reading it and it's something that i think you have tweeted about, is that i think a lot of us who, you know, consume media across all sorts of landscapes and are not steeped in right wing media. donald trump is off twitter and he is not in the white house and gives an interview and does not make news. he vanis

it's not about whether q believes in trump or not. to realize there is something wrong with the status quo. this movement isn't just limited to japan. it's a global movement. that's why i joined. >> reporter: qanon in japan shows how easily unfounded claims can move from the darkest corners of the internet to draw in people from around the world. in january, twitter suspended the accounts of the members we spoke to. they say they've now moved to other platforms and are recruiting offline, including jay here, who is a financial consultant and travels across japan to recruit, spreading misinformation along the way. >> it's been one of the most self-sustaining communities and resilient. the major danger of qanon is just an undermining of voices that are intended to deliver public information. >> reporter: q army japan flynn members tell cnn their numbers have increased during the pandemic. they say they have members across the country, male, female, rich and poor. experts say recent actions from social media companies and trump's defeat