but trump is it doesn't mean that trump is that trump is the is is still that singular of a force and has still that much hold over his base because you know if you look at the poles and and the way people have responded to him about vaccines, there's certainly been some slippage and i think that that is ultimately the story of my book insurgency like the gop. it's modern history has been about overthrows and revolts from within that that are destabilizing to the party leadership. and trump is the party leadership and if history is any guide there are elements of the party that that the leadership has co-opted or tried to co-opt. and it's come around and bit them because it's not controllable those those people margaret. taylor green is not going to be controlled. she's not going to be co-opted and i think that's what's dangerous to trump that he's not invulnerable to the same forces that have undone previous republican leaders. so let's take a few reader questions now. one of our neighbors here writes since so many establishment republicans. still vote for today's far right gop. no m

so again, this is not something unique to to trump the trump administration. he simply doing things here or did things here that that have produced similar results when other presidents have done them. yeah, and also think even if not, everything goes to the workers, which there's a lot of evidence that a lot goes to the workers, you know half america or shareholders their owners of these companies and their pensions are presumably benefiting that something we stress quite a bit on how much people's pensions were increasing during the trump administration and these are workers throughout the economy might not be the poorest of the workers, but they're certainly workers in the economy there. also a big debate. i wanted to sort of hear your take on this on the buybacks that occurred with these texts. can you talk a little bit about that? i don't i don't i don't think i get into that in the book the buyback debate. so no i i i don't get into that now. okay. well, i think i think also that was misguided a little bit because if you have a buyback that's just better

and donald trump. as the washington post put it at the time, some of the lawmakers who heard that, laughed at mccarthy's comments. but mccarthy quickly added, i swear to god. house speaker paul ryan then instructed his republican lieutenants to keep this conversation private. saying, no leaks. this is how we know we are real family here. that's how we know we are a real family. i'm sorry, i love my family, i love my family, but if i told them that i was pretty sure the guy about to be nominated for president was a paid foreign agent, and i was in a position to know that, i would want them to leak that. -- you don't know someone is the family because they don't leak. it may be should lead. it and then a case, someone did. not right away, it took about a year. those comments from kevin mccarthy, about him saying he believed trump was on putin's payroll, those comments did not come out for about a year until may of 2017, when trump was already president. and so, when that washington post story with that a

trump's lawyer, objection. trump -- no, i want to do have people be ready. we wanted there to be people on alert that they were going to do fruit. and some is a lot worse than -- tomatoes are bad, by the way. but it's very dangerous. question, do you have any knowledge around whether someone was found have tomatoes in their possession that they? answer, trump. i don't know why they didn't happen. it worked out that nothing happened. the speech was good. question, you said you are talking to the audience. but is the same through of your security? do you expect your security to knock the crap out of someone if they seize out -- answer, trump, i was talking to the audience. mister president, let me finish the question. so that we can get the record clear. is your expectation that if your security guards see someone about to throw a tomato, that they should knock the crap out of that person? answer, trump. well, a tomato, a pineapple, a lot of other things they throw. yep! i think they have to be aggressive in stopping that from happening. because of that happen

i think putin pays trump. when kevin mccarthy reportedly told that to his republican colleagues in the house, in 2016, that's when trump was running for president. speaker of the house at the time was republican paul ryan, kevin mccarthy was the number two republican in the house under the speaker, the majority leader, he is the one who reportedly said i think putin pays trump. now, at the time mr. mccarthy reportedly made those comments, donald trump wasn't just, you know, one of the 17 different republicans who was running in the presidential primary that year, he wasn't just a random candidate among them all, it was clear by the time those comments were made by mr. mccarthy that trump was going to win the nomination. by the time mccarthy said that, "i think putin pays trump," trump had basically cleared the field of the other competitors, he was just a month away from formally clinching the nomination. so for that reason alone, this headline was kind of a double take thing. stunning. that one of the top guy

trump? rep.reene: i was asking people to come for a peaceful march, which is what everyone is entitled to do under their first amendment. but i was not asking them to actively engage in violence or any type of action. >> my question is really simple. it is about your opinion. when this tweet came out, it was your opinion the election had been stolen or was about to be stolen? rep. greene: under my opinion, there was a tremendous amount of fraudulent things that happened in the election. under my opinion, i want to do anything i can to protect election integrity and to protect the people of my district in georgia, the people's vote, they should count. >> is it fair to say, representative greene, that from election night, 2020 until january 6, 2021, your personal opinion and your wish was that congress not certify joe biden as the winner of the 2020 election? green -- rep. greene: no, that's not accurate. >> you believed joe biden had lost the election to mr. trump? is that accurate? rep. greene: w

and that text, donald trump jr. knows that the trump presidency is over. donald trump jr. is not stupidly staring and to a tv cheering for the attackers in the capital, thinking that they are going to rescue the trump presidency from congresses certifying the election federal college vote in favor of joe biden. and then ensuring that donald trump would be inaugurated the second time on january 20th. donald trump jr. knows all of that is madness. just madness. and that the only thing still at stake for donald trump while the capital is being attacked, is donald trump's legacy, because of the trump presidency is over. they will try to scoop his entire legacy on this if it gets worse. that's why donald trump jr. said. and it got worse. donald trump jr. was right. his father got impeached, again. and in his father's impeachment trial in the senate, the most bipartisan vote for conviction in history was delivered in the senate with a solid majority of 57 senators voting guilty. and yes, the first sentence of donald trump's legacy will include the phrase, twice impeached. donald

trump. scavino was 16 when they met and he is till this day a trump stalwart. he was part of the social media program. he was two years deputy chief of staff for communications. using social media to monitor trend was scavino's core business. he did that for trump during the 2016 campaign and he kept doing it through the stop the steal and the fraudulent challenge to the 2020 election. he also monitored extremist social media sites for the president. dan scavino was with the president on january 5 and 6. he spoke with trump by phone several times on january 6 and was with the president as many urged him to help stop the violence at the capitol. so dan scavino could shed light on what then-president trump thought would happen on january 6, especially the potential for violence. did the president know the rally could turn violent? that his rhetoric on the ellipse could send an angry mob to storm the capitol? that what on the evening of january 5, president trump called a fired up crowd might t

i think putin pays trump.vin mccarthy reportedly told that to his republican colleagues in the house, in 2016, that's when trump was running for president. speaker of the house at the time was republican paul ryan, kevin mccarthy was the number two republican in the house under the speaker, the majority leader, he is the one who reportedly said i think putin pays trump. now, at the time mr. mccarthy reportedly made those comments, donald trump wasn't just, you know, one of the 17 different republic

they were predicting 20 17th 19 trump exceeded that. the trump economy exceeded that. they said unemployment wouldn't fall below four, 4.1 percent. it fell well below that, a full percentage point below that . so that's, and i think it's important to point that out because again, there is this argument that this was all going to happen anyway. and in fact, well into 2018 you still had president obama out there p taking credit for the trump economy. you had joe biden taking credit for the trump economy. and saying we started this. the obama administration started this, all this is the same today, don't forget you started this and that's why i wanted to point out what those expectations were when trump took office. a slowing economy and productions that we might be headed into another recession and that's important. it's also important to note that the job growth that we saw under trump occurred when we were near full employment and you know as an economist to get that kind of job growth when there are still so few people looking for work at the time, it's pretty remarka

mccarthy has kept trump closer. one of the reasons is, he doesn't have the same hole that mcconnell does. so, presuming the balloons can win the majority of his fall, which is to says they have a big of an issue, kevin mccarthy needs to keep almost all the republicans to become the next speaker. and to do that, he's gonna be some pro trump republicans who may not necessarily be pro mccarthy republicans. and so, please give the former president close. he said multiple times, he's trying to keep him out of races where he may be entering the house. but look, they try to do the best they can. john brings an enormous energy from the base of the republican party. but he continues in private polls, and private focus groups to turn off the kind of like him setting mid tier voters and swing them to trump. and that's the hopes that democrats have in 2022, the things -- they can scare democrats into thinking that trump and trump or prisoners could be coming back into power. >> yes, remind those swing voters they mention that t

that sure sounds like he was a trump loyalist in charge of trump's security movements. trying to help trump do -- building where he was to oversee -- congressman jamie raskin lays it up clearly. >> the secret service agents, who presumably are reporting to trump's secret service agents, we're trying to spirit him off of the campus, and he said, i'm not getting into that car. he knew exactly what this inside coup they had planned for was going to do. this was not a coup directed at the president. it was a coup directed by the president against the vice president and against the congress. >> that is why pence's words in that moment, i'm not getting in that car, we're about so much more than just the image he would send to the world. it appears they were about the fundamental desire from the ex president and his loyalist to, again, essentially in that moment, rupture the entire constitutional order in order to install donald trump by force against the will of the people. as promised, i'm joined now by congressman jamie raskin, member of the january 6th elect committee. con

on, december 19, 2020, trump urged viewers to fight for trump. january 6 was 2.5 cents -- 2.5 weeks off. president trump retweeted a video titled "how to steal an election," among other things, it argued covid-19 was created to ensure that trump would lose the election. here's that one. qanon had retweeted that one by the time that trumped it. we would like to hear what president trump's director of social media has to say about that. trump's extremist followers on the donald, what do they make of that? to join in a wild protest on january 6? some of his followers took it as marching orders. mr. scavino's camino had every reason to know that they would be violent. mr. scavino was well aware of what his boss wanted. to the extent that the users fight like donald trump. he sent out a video himself that a user of the same site understood to be "literal war drums." president trump had been president for a full four years with dan scavino and his side. they knew exactly what they were doing. the select committee needs to hear directly from dan scavino

, better than you know donald trump, certainly, and better than donald trump does. it sounds like there is an awful lot of similarity between them. it sounds like if someone was trying to get vladimir putin to say something negative about donald trump during the presidency that's horrible. >> that's right, lawrence, there's a long history of that. that's what i call an illiberal international around the world. they are strong men that really love power, as peter just said. they have a sort of conservative, orthodox, nationalist, anti multi lateral anti-lgbt, in the case of putin, and they have for years been interacting with each other and supporting each other. so viktor orban in his hungry, le pen in france, barrage in the uk, and mr. trump, and ideologically, those leaders that i just described have a lot more in common with people that believe in democracy and freedom. there are people that believe in democracy and freedom and those countries i just described, but the fight between democracy, the war between democracy is between autocratic putin and democratic u

which is actually after these plaintiffs were beaten up by trump security guards outside trump tower but these plaintiffs contend in court that, you know, trump publicly imploring other people to knock the bleep out of people protesting, people posing the terrifying threat of potentially throwing a tomato, that shows the pattern of trump ordering violence against protesters and perhaps violence out of keeping any perceived threat theng protesters might pose. now if throwing a tomato is actually a lethal threat though, what wouldn't be justified. with the release of this deposition, in this past day, we now know a whole new thing we didn't know before about former president trump is that he is apparently desperately afraid of a flyingap tomato. i don't know. if i were in his position, i'm not sure if i would let the world know that i had that kind ofwo phobia, just kind of exposg his weakness to the world, right? his fear of flying tomatoes is apparently so all consuming when confronted verbally with a discussion about the possibility of somebody throwing a tomato, he immediately extr

former trump official mick mulvaney, quote, he, trump, he's a sub this now. congressman bill timmins, quote, the president needs to stop this asap. donald trump jr. himself writes, this is one you go to the mattresses on. they will try to f his entire legacy if this gets worse. reince priebus tells them to go home. but he is that issue, though, they read all this ungenerous except. and just a few days later, many of these very same people said the right was overblown, americans want to move on, how do they square this? or do they have to, fellow, are they bank that the new cycle moves on and her supporters are not paying attention? >> well, stephanie, it's this revisionist history. but will we see in the text messages is that even trump's most stalwart allies on capitol hill and elsewhere in the republican firm we're seeing what's going on with their own eyes. we also as americans that they, which is violent rioters storming the capitol and hurting people and trying to lay siege to our democracy. and they were alarmed, and they want to urgently for the presid

donald trump jr., of course, is at least a third member of trump's family who is going to voluntarily appear before the select committee, and it just shows the extent to which trump world resistance to this panel is pretty rapidly melting away. six months ago i would've been surprised if you told me the donald junior was going to cooperate, but based on all the reporting, he is. we've recently learned specifically about him is that he was way in during the january 6th attack, directly to chief of staff mark meadows, based on these released tax showing that he texted meadows during the attack, saying that a tweet that trump issued calling for the people attacking the capitol to, quote, remain peaceful, or stay peaceful, was not enough. don junior basically told meadows that trump needed to do more, needed to take stronger steps to try to quell the violence. he is in a really interesting spot because he was never an administration official, but it is very closely connected to trump's political operation, very closely connected to the grassroots, and they don't are communities that suppo

in the trump white house. this comes in a letter to the justice department refusing a request from the committee to provide 50 box records of white house records that donald trump took illegally to florida after he moved out of the white house. and a letter by the washington post, acting assistant attorney general, wrote, quote, the department previously asked national archives and records of administration not to share, or otherwise disclosed to others information relating to this matter in order to protect the integrity of our on growing work. the justice department policy is to it not acknowledge criminal investigations. sometimes we discover that criminal investigations are underway when people testified granaries. there are several ways that they can leak out and become public information that the justice department is underway. and this letter to congress, this letter is one of those ways that a letter to cog ledge by -- refusing to turn over information, to quote, protect the integrity of our ongoing wo

in 2016 putin and trump had hostility and trump never forgets a slight. you know, with the people that the horse race right now in washington for awhile looked like the one mccarthy in d.c. is all about elise stefanik and she's the one behind this and putting the knife into this guy extremely ambitious and she's gone full maga so i think if they are thinking through his immediate future mayor donors he's been unless they keep him he can't block the trump people, kevin should get a food taster at this point. >> elise stefanik is mccarthy. this is cut six for my producers. before she became a trump cult leader she called him soft on putin and recognized russia attacked the 2016 election and urged him to release tax returns and went after him. she is kevin mccarthy. so to stay with you and all can't stand donald trump, you could tell. he said democrats can take him out. the problem i see is spinelessness, crowdedness, they're clutching for the ring and, you know, they think they're going to get it. >> right. they're all after this. they all believe they can

trump's long time executive assistant, rhona graff has a laptop and desk top computer located at trump tower but neither one has been collected for discovery.nele so they have not been searched either. okay. a laptop, desk top computer, for his longr, time executive assistant,s and also two phone of trump's. and none of them have been searched. and so i mean that's this third company who is advising on production in conjunction with these subpoenas, and that's not advising, like hey, here's where to look, and now he's being fined by the court $10,000 a day every day until he hands everything over that could be relevant to this case. so i don't know what either of those developments is going, neither the attorney general, the attorney general's office attorney telling the court today that an enforcement action related to trump isth going to come soon, i don't know what we're going to see in that regard, nor do i know what to expect in termsre of the court' big daily fines against trump for defying the subpoenas and not handing over materials related to this case. if past is any prologue

you would think that trump supporters might hold it against trump right?nk they'd hold against ben and but you think they particularly hold against trump that he'd pardon steve bannon in that scheme to steal from trump supporters. but apparently, nobody holds against bannon nobody holds against trump. it's kind of a mask is anything thank you sir, i have another? also do want the security coat on a credit card now adjusting the building address? we'll also do like? that happened today. interesting question as to whether or not the pandemic called as a witness in the trial of one of the other defendants is actually going to go on trial for this next month. we'll see. but there's another big story. that has just broken today about the criminal law, about federal prosecutors and whether they are ever going to have anything to say in court about the effort to throw out the results of the last election and put trump back in the white house even though he lost. we've got that story here next with a reporter we've been dying to have on this show forever. we final

, better than you know donald trump, certainly, and better than donald trump does. it sounds like there is an awful lot of similarity between them. it sounds like if someone was trying to get vladimir putin to -- say something negative about donald trump during the presidency that's horrible. t's horrible strongmen that really love power as peter just said. they have a kind of conservative orthodox nationalists anti multilateral anti-lgbt in the case of putin, and they have for years been interacting with each other and supporting each other. so viktor orban in hungary -- in italy, le pen in france, and mr. trump and ideologically, those leaders that i just described have a lot more in common than people that believe in democracy and freedom. and there are people that believe in democracy and freedom in all those countries i just described. but the fight between democracy, the war between democracies between autocratic putin and democratic ukraine today. but before that, there was this liberal international, they were all united. i would hope that this horrible hein

coming back to obama's policy, that led into trump so i'll talk about how we get to trump and what he did and sort of the sfuture. talk about the slow recovery you talk about in the book. traditionally economists have found when you have, it's like a pendulum, you swing it one way, it will grow even further or quicker to the other side. talk aboutut that and what you brought about the slow recovery. >> you are right, people say obama inherited a recession from george w. bush which is true, i horrible recession, very deep but you pointed out historically the deeper the recession, the more robust the recovery and yet under obama we had the slowest economic recovery in the postwar period. that is the economy trump inherited. there are people out there who want to say to the extent we did have good economic growth under trump, he simply inherited this from his predecessor no matter succeeded obama, the first three years under trump and that is history. in 2015, the economy second to the last year of the obama presidency, 3.1% the last year of the obama presidency 2016, he grew at 1.6%, ab

trump's longtime executive assistant how is a laptop and a desktop computer, located in trump tower, but neither one has been collected for discovery. so, they have not been searched either. okay. a laptop, desktop computer for his death -- and also two phones of trump's. and not have been searched. and so, that is the third company that is advising on -- that is them advising like, hey, here's where the look. and now he is being fined by the court, $10,000 a day every day, until he hands everything over. so, i don't know where either of those developments is going. either the attorney general telling the court today that the enforcement action related to trump is going to come soon. i don't know what we are going to see in that regard. nor do i know what to expect in terms of the course big daily fines against trump for defying the subpoenas and not handing over materials related to this case. if i had to guess, if the past is any prologue, i have to imagine the $10,000 a day factor is going to drive a certain someone a little cuckoo for cocoa puffs. we shall see. hopefully not on t

he said that he had had it with this guy, referring to then president trump, and also he said that trumpresponsibility for what happened on january 6th. and all of this just taking place against the backdrop of republicans expected to pick up seats in the house with mccarthy potentially just months away from becoming speaker of the house, his long time ambition. and that now hangs in the balance because it largely depends on president trump's support. right now he continues to express support for mccarthy. he gave an interview to the "wall street journal" where he said that things are fine. he didn't necessarily like what he heard in the tapes, but the question is what else is out there and that is what we don't know yet. >> and so that means that something might be coming. thank you for that from the white house. >>> joining me, adam smith chair of the house armed services committee, always good to see you, sir. so let's get into it. what goes through your mind when you hear the mccarthy tapes? we're looking at basically two words at issue here. mccarthy saying that i never asked the pr

trump. >> you have had a number of meetings with him, right? >> yes. >> and you had meetings with him between the election in 2020, and january 20th of 2021, right? >> yes. >> and in those meetings, you discuss with him your advocacy for the idea that there should be martial law declared in the united states? >> no. i do not recall ever saying this. >> well are you seeing it did not happen, or you do not recall? >> i do not recall ever saying that. >> did you discuss that topic? the idea that there should be martial law declared in the united states? prior to the inauguration of president biden? >> your honor, that is covered by executive privilege. >> executive privilege? she is not a member of the executive, and this council is here on her behalf, not on mr. trump's behalf, unless there is something i missed. >> it is not a proper objection, your honor. >> i am sorry. what was the question? >> the question was, weather prior to the inauguration of joe biden, miss greene, whether you advoca

why should trump voters, trump supporters vote for you?y stupid things and i happen to say stupid things very publicly. >> that's j.d. vance's best defense. now we turn to a deep dive political conversation which takes place on a special day around here on "the beat". it's known at chai day. he's worked three presidential campaigns, including obamas and supplied some of the insights we just ran through in that piece. it's called chai day because of your name, and the cartoon we made. welcome back, sir. >> good cartoon. glad to be back, ari. >> good to have you, sir. you look at this, people may have heard a bit about j.d. vance, but the voting is on tuesday. the trump endorsement would appear to matter over there. the video is devastating. will that matter? and what does it say about where the republican party is headed? >> it's unlikely to matter, and i think it's unlikely to matter because we have to understand, the journey of the republican party and how it mirrors the journey of j.d. vance. j.d. vance sort of mirrors a journey where th

trump, right?hich is what everyone is entitled to do under their first amendment. but i was not asking them to actively engage in violence or any type of actions. >> and when this is all said and done, the judge is expected to make a recommendation to the secretary of state on whether or not marjorie taylor greene should be disqualified from running for congress again, john. >> amara walker, grateful for the live reporting. thanks for your time today on "inside politics." have a good weekend. ana cabrera picks up our coverage right now. >>> hello. thanks for being with us. i'm ana cabrera in new york. we begin in southern ukraine where 100,000 civilians remain trapped in the bombed out ruins of mariupol. and hopes for a mass evacuation are foundering. president of the european council spoke with vladimir putin and called for safe passage through humanitarian corridors. putin apparently accused the

i think trump acts in trump's interest, as he sees it, in any given moment.ne moment to the next. i think mccarthy has made all the right noises with regard to trump, you know, that he is loyal, it is not going to bring this up, that here announces the tapes even though, you know, the tapes are there for everybody to hear. and so, trump says okay, this is what i see. i seek a party to follow in line. you know, i think the real critical issue here is the issue you brought up in the first segment, the issue that maya brought up, the issue that fernand brought up, and that is, all of this is not about trump and mccarthy, with their lack of character, for this week's shocking story. all of this is about a systematic attempt to end democracy in the united states. these are people who don't want votes to count, if the votes are against trump, trump would have overthrown the election, if he could have. trump seeks to do that again in the future. those secretaries of state they want to elect will do that again in the future. mccarthy, if he is the speaker of the hous

of turning on donald trump. went on for days after january 6th. i want to listen again as, and we played this many times on the show because we will should ever forget this. this is january 13th on the house floor when kevin mccarthy says this. let's listen to this. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress from mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action. from president trump. except his share of responsibility. quell the brewing unrest. and ensure president elect biden his able to successfully begin his term. >> what happened to that? >> he backed down. because he couldn't stand tall against donald trump. it was all talk and he was more afraid of the mob and security detail took him away from continually sixth. because he was afraid, personally he would lose the ability to one day be speaker and also just like so many others, it's so much easier to shrink against trump than to stand up like liz che

and the trump white house. this comes in a letter from the justice department to the house oversight committee, refusing a request from the committee to provide an inventory of 15 boxes of white house records that donald trump took illegally to florida when he moved out of the white house. and a letter reviewed by the washington post, acting assistant attorney general wrote, quote, the department previously asked national archives and records administration not to share or otherwise disclose to others information relating to this matter in order to protect the integrity of our ongoing work. the justice department policy is generally to not announce federal criminal investigations. sometimes we discover that federal investigations are underway when people receive subpoenas to testify to grand jury's. there are several ways that it can leak out and become public information. that is justice department investigation is underway. and this letter to congress, this letter, it is one of those ways. a letter to congres

it can be continues to be trump. the former president is endorsed seven candidates now in georgia including challengers to governor kemp including candidate herschel walker for us senate and including a lot of challenges for down ticket races that most georgians really frankly aren't paying that much attention to right now and this trump-fueled dynamic continues to to impact the race trump even had a rally just a few days ago in the excerpts of northeast, georgia where he talked about voter staying home in november if brian kemp was the party's nominee and so that will continue to hamper republicans in georgia and potentially help democrats who can just kind of point across the party island and say hey, there's still fighting we're united. why do you think republicans were so aware or anxious about a blue wave coming in 2020 the gop has been incredibly successful for more than a decade in the state when it comes to some of the biggest races. you're right. i mean they control up until 2020 they control every statewide

would president trump did's was respect people who were canceled. >> in michigan, trump's chosen candidateto tout again the big lie lawsuit that he filed for trump in 2020. >> i set up for america, i set up for america first values. i set up for donald trump or no one else would. i went out, i set my look earlier aside, i stood up for every one of you when i filed a lawsuit in actual candy. tom leonard when up to mike in all this, year and you set up, there and he said, i haven't seen any evidence of election fraud. let me tell you people, 70% of republicans in the state know that this last election was garbage. >> that lawyer, matthew deperno, and then up winning the republican nomination for state attorney general. that sets the stage for him to actually be, possibly a few ones, one of the most powerful statewide officeholders in that vital swing state. (woman) oh. oh! hi there. you're jonathan, right? the 995 plan! yes, from colonial penn. your 995 plan fits my budget just right. excuse me? aren't you jonathan from tv, that 995 plan? yes, from colonial penn. i love your lifetime rate lo

trump.a moment talking about whether donald trump was attempting to claim marshal law. if that's a lawyer for donald trump that means possibly greene was having conversations with the white house about declaring marshal law so a lot of strange things happeninging here. my fear is this. regardless of how the case turning out it could be misused to continue the trend to see toward violence and intimidation. if she is not disqualified from the ballot the insurrectionists see that as value case. if she is disqualified from the ballot then you will see folks in my circles try to discredit the justice system and worry that raises the temperature and civic tension here in the country. i would add this debate about why and whether donald trump knew that he was fomenting insurrection i think answered years ago. we heard donald trump talk frequently about the insurrection act. he wanted to use it. and i have no doubt that that day he wanted to use it that day to extend the time in office. >> neal, i w