trump, he certainly believe s in loyalty very strongly. >> no question. >> steve bannon came on at a time when he needed help and clear hi has been a whisper in donald trump's earand in donald trump's opinion deserves to be rewarded for the loyalty. >> that's sort of the, i don't know if dichotomy is the right word. between what -- i think basically what kayleigh is saying and what dana is saying could both be true, in that he could have a temper, could have temperament issues in the past and obviously issues dana had with him in the workplace but at the same time some how found a way to have a calming influence on donald trump the candidate. and by all accounts of people i've talked to who were kind of around it was the guy who donald trump saw as an equal partner and somebody who could take his phone away from him. >> which other people weren't able to do. >> which other people weren't able to do. >> errol, we heard that it's a knife fight going on. how much of that, though, is just, i mean, that's way transitions often are. no? i mean, it's a lot of people jockeying for very powerful positions. a lot of people competing interests who want things. >> this is