trump. and so trump -- he won't be loyal to trump in the sense of a personality, he'll be loyal to the ideasmp adheres to those ideas, he'll support him. if he doesn't, he'll run right up against him. >> this pro-bannon camp is arguing that the white house is still full of closet democrats and that's why he got pushed out. how do you respond to that? >> i don't think that's the case. it was bad pr this week when you have the president come out and say awful things in the wake of charlottesville. i think steve bannon had a target on his back. if you have staffers in the white house that are associated with the alt-right or white supremacy, that's not going to be good in a week where a white supremacist merred someone. it's a tipping point for this white house, but when you have somebody who led a birther campaign for five years, when you have someone who busy said so many offensive things and i'm talking about donald trump, not steve bannon, he did those things without steve bannon being in the room. steve bannon wasn't there for the press conference. this white house doesn't fundamentally ch

with donald trump letting trump be trump works. when he goes a little too far, they push him to the other side. he does the scripted speeches. then he gets bored with that and goes back the other way. he cruised from the canoe in the primaries. he cruised to victory in the general and the special elections. i think it might be the secret sauce. >> it's trump be trump secret sauce. >> there you go. new marketing opportunity. dylan, thank you so much and john and wendy, thank you. >> thank you so much, appreciate it. >>> next on "newsroom l.a.," vice president mike pence warning russia do not test the u.s. but moscow is striking back at likely new sanctions. >>> and pushback from china over what to do about north korea's latest missile launch. you won't see these folks they have businesses to run. they have passions to pursue. how do they avoid trips to the post office? stamps.com mail letters, ship packages, all the services of the post office right on your computer. get a 4 week trial, plus $100 in extras including postage and a dig

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trump has any financial ties to the russian government. - trump tweeted yesterday that he has zero investments in russia, but does russia have investments in trump? would mr. trump beilling to release his taxes to provide transparency on this issue? - mr. trump has said that his taxes are under audit and he will not be releasing them. it has nothing to do with russia. - so to be clear, mr. trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs? - that's what he said, i-- that's what i said-- that's obviously what my position is. - [imitating dj scratching] that-that-that's what-- that's-that-that's what-that-- that-that-that-that-- [imitates record scratch] that-that-that-that-that... remix! ♪ - all right, we're back now with our breaking news, and this is big breaking news. michael flynn has resigned. - flynn's shocking departure comes after just three weeks on the job. - he is the shortest-serving national security advisor now in modern history. - yeah! [cheers and applause] yes! trump! trump! trump! trump! donald trump finally draining the swamp of the people he brought to the swamp. president trump is a genius, people. he hires a cabinet full of terrib

keep the secret service in trump tower which you think everybody would be interested in making sure of course that the trump family is safe and the people who work in the trump organization are safe and now the secret service is downstairs on the sidewalk. >> is it over the price, how much they were paying? >> there's couple factors here and neither side has gone into details yet. price is certainly one of them. obviously, midtown manhattan real estate is among the most expensive real estate in country so, if, for instance, the trump organization felt they were being offered too low of a rate in order to give up that space, it's a cost to them, which is sort of ironic given all the alarms we've been ringing about the concerns about the president continuing to own his company and all the money that the company could be make while he is president. in this case, maybe the company felt like they wouldn't be p make enough money off of having the secret service in there. the other thing is logistics. obviously from the secret service per spk tif it's better for them to be inside the building they're trying to keep safe and nearer to the people they're trying to ke

it might be impossible to pick a day in the trump presidency when a speech like the one he gave tonight would not be changing the subject from a crisis in the trumpsidency created by what republican senator bob corker calls donald trump's lack of stability and competence. we are always in the midst of a trump crisis of some sort caused by donald trump. and so speeches like this will always be suspect as devices for changing the subject. it does seem the scheduling for this speech was speeded up when mike pence came back from a scheduled trip in south america to participate in the discussions leading up to this speech and last week the president got rave reviews from former ku klux klan david duke for his comments about a white supremacist rally in charlottesville in which heather heyer was killed by white nationalist. another group failed to show the strength they were hoping for when they could muster just a tiny group of about 20 nazi white supremacists in the middle of boston common where they were surrounded by 40,000 people protesting against nazi white supremacists. the president of the united states got a look at those 40,000 people on tel

be presidential. it's just trump doing what trump does. the question is whether it gets him anywhere. >> bret: that moment where he said they told me not to say it but mad dog mattis is going to be my secretary of defense. and everyone in his staff said no! >> don't mention any names. so i won't. i won't. no, i won't. one vote away. i won't mention any names. very presidential, isn't it? nobody wants me to talk about your other senator, weak on borders, weak on crime. so i won't talk about it. nobody wants me to talk about him. nobody knows who the hell he is. >> bret: data senator jeff flake, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is defending directly and actually spending money with ads, internet ads right now, against his potential primary opponent. >> these are political -- he supports his republican incumbents. republican national committee has laws that govern what it does in these primaries. supporting incumbents. donald trump does, he supports people who support his agenda and he goes after people who don't and as a strong republic

be presidential. it's just trump doing what trump does. the question is whether it gets him anywhere. >> bret: that moment where he said they told me not to say it but mad dog mattis is going to be my secretary of defense. and everyone in his staff said no! >> don't mention any names. so i won't. i won't. no, i won't. one vote away. i won't mention any names. very presidential, isn't it? nobody wants me to talk about your other senator, weak on borders, weak on crime. so i won't talk about it. nobody wants me to talk about him. nobody knows who the hell he is. >> bret: data senator jeff flake, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is defending directly and actually spending money with ads, internet ads right now, against his potential primary opponent. >> these are political -- he supports his republican incumbents. republican national committee has laws that govern what it does in these primaries. supporting incumbents. donald trump does, he supports people who support his agenda and he goes after people who don't and as a strong republic

greg was right, if this is going to be some major pivot for president trump, they've been looking for it for a long time. it's likely not going to be. president trumpgoing to be president trump. that said, it's an eye-opener. the word was that he was on his way out and the administration, the president had made that the decision with general kelly's guidance a couple of weeks ago. bannon is telling people that he offered his resignation august 7th. and that today was going to be the last day. it's a change. it doesn't take away the uniqueness of this president or the firepower of steve bannon, who now in his words, has a lot more weapons in his old job as the executive of breitbart news. >> juan: i heard you say you thought this was the worst week in the trump presidency. is that right? >> i did come earlier. i was asked about the perception of how the president is being received. when you have people speaking out, charlottesville, mainly that tuesday news conference and then you see everything else that has transpired, this was not a stellar week for this president. as far as number one, getting capitol hill engaged on his agenda come the fall. th

president trump's tirade, the leader of the free world is spreading the blame that ended with one woman dead. >> president trump spoke at a news conference at trump power today. this was supposed to beure. it turned out to be very different. it turned into an impromptu analysis of race relations in america. >> you can say what you want but that's the way it is. >> president trump squares off reporters. >> you can call it allrr it mur. you can call it whatever you want. >> and saying there are two sides tostory. >> i think there's blame on both sides. i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either. >> the heated exchange just the latest in an unwelcomed first homecoming to new york city for president trump. prope protests and outrage follow his to trump tower. 48 hours after a woman lost her life president trump denounced the hate groups involved. >> racism is evil. those who cause violence in its including the kkk. neo-nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups. >> i think it's too little too late and i don't think it's genuine. >> does anyone really believe that? he was

does he continue to watch trump be trump? here's not like to be bullied into things. have nancy calling for him to be fired, that could give job security. the president decided this is something he is going to give general kelly. the president decided to go .long with that part of his showing respect to general kelly and buying himself time on some changes he does not want to make. charlie: thank you so much for this conversation. >> charlie, thank you for a great conversation in historic times. we turn now to another terror attack in europe. at least 14 have died and more than 100 were injured in a pair of attacks thursday through the spanish cities of barcelona. dead, fourts detained, and one remains at large. the attacks are part of a larger hope toere terrorists inflict heavy casualties by driving vehicles into crowds. we are joined now by our guest. she is a contributor to cbs news. what is the significance of this? risk here isk the that we say this is just one in a series of these the hick you are attacks. vehicular attacks. they have been more than a half-dozen

be in no rush to revive the repeal despite president trump's demands. the house, new plan from a bipartisan problem solvers caucus. president trump back, tweeting: "if obamacare is hurting people, and it is, why shouldn't it hurt the insurance companies and why shouldn't congress be paying what the public pays." that's what a lot of americans across the country field. they feel that premiums are too high, crippling, and why does congress get special treatment in the way the rest of america doesn't? >> corey: it's a great question. they always have special privileges. they carve out the laws because these guys take care of themselves and not the american people. for the first time in a long time, the american people sent change to washington. congress should have the same health care as everybody else. they exempt themselves from the rules and when they are supposed to follow the rules, they seem going to give my office the exemption. >> joe: that's why every time one of these members appears on television, they should be asked, is your staff and are you getting this 75% premium subsidy from the government to pay for your health p

trump be trump. >> he was also asked about steve bannon and his future. the president saying he never spoke to bannon about how to respond to charlottesville and about his future? hee here's what the president said? >> i like mr. bannon. he is a friend of mine, but he came on very late up. i went through 17 senators, governors and won all the primary. mr. bannon came on later than that, and i like him. he is a good man. he is not a racist. i can tell you that. he is a good person. he actually gets a very unfair press in that regard, but we'll see what happens with mr. bannon, but he is a good person, and i think the press treats him frankly very unfairly. >> the president making no promises about steve bannon's future. >> reporter: he was asked the question about whether he has confidence, and you could hear the president. he didn't actually answer the e president we know has grown frustrated with steve bannon. he has openly battled with aides here in the west wing, but one source tells me it's the president's decision whether or not he stays or goes at this point. >> thank you, cecilia. >>> the president offering a defense for some of the people who descended on charlottesville, adding they did have a permit, and david duke, abc's eva pilgrim in charlott charlottesville. >> reporter: tonight the president appearing to support some of the protestors who descended on charlottesville virginia carrying those tiki torches in that initial protest. >> you have a lot of people who innocently came, i'd add they had permit. the other group didn't have a permit. so i onlily tey tell you this. there are two sides to a story. i thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country. a horrible moment. >> reporter: the former head of the kkk, david duke, over the weekend, tweeting a warning to the president. i would recommend you take a good look in the mirror and rememb remember it was white americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists. tonight duke grateful to the president for his words. president for his words. thank you president trump for your honesty and courage to tell the truth about charlottesville and coem terrorist. one white nationalist saying the movement has helped them. >> it's up to us to take the initiative. >> reporter: and tonight, the fight over confederate statues is now a flashpoint. in durham overnight crowds tearing down a this statue honoring confederate soldiers. >> let me be clear, no one is getting away with what happened. we are pursuing felony charges. >> reporter: there are 700 confederate monuments like this throughout the u.s. pressure is building for many cities to move them or take them down. that fight, energizing white nationalists who want to stop them. already planning events in the coming weeks. tonight, the southern poverty law center reports that in the last three years, more than 125 new hate groups have formed. >> they are coming now more to light and coming out from the cracks because of the new election of the new administration. >> and e again tonight from charlottesville,

it's been candidate trump and it's trump being trump. however, for people in the administration as the some concern they could have had the speech last night last a few days at least before over taking it by an event like this. >> this is how president trump likes to strum the cords of driving the message. -- chords of driving the message. if have you a good speech and you're getting good feedback on an importantin issue you want i to play a couple days. that's just not the way he plays the game. what's really interesting, i've noticed the last couple of several days, we're not talking about a special council and russia and interesting he keeps flooding the zone with interesting news coverage and this will do that again tonight. >> it's a campaign rally but i think it's his attempt at unity by going in front of a major audience and knew people would be watching. i think his staff is probably not happy he went back to the charlottesville rhetoric and commentary but he felt he needed to defend his words and himself and more importantly some

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and be able to sell it to the american people in appearance after appearance, that's what it's going to take f it's going to require trump doing the heavy lifting because there's nobody better at trumphat's what it's going to take. >> that's a really nice thought but i'm not sure how realistic it is. >> the tone he said is right. if the health care bill had pass bid now or tax reform had passed we would not be talking about white house infighting. he's right. >> sure. >> this tea that the information flow has to change that's probably true. will kelly stop "fox & friends" from being aired? >> do they have to take away his tv? >> take away some of the friends he calls. the idea that information is being handed to him is wrong is probably not right. he's seeking out information that confirms what his views already are. >> what is his agenda? trump is not a details guy. how is he going to sell that in sound bites? it's not his thing. >> we'll talk about a lot more when we come back. in your piece, you said he's not even trying to tame the president. he's just dealing with the staff which tells you a lot. >>> the president has a new twitter target, speaking of twitter. his republicans w

trump economy." the world continues to react to a strongly worded statement by donald trump towards north korea. trump: north korea best not make any more threats to the united states. they will beet with fire and fury like the world has never seen. david: north korea for its part threatened to attack guam. on his way to visit that territory, secretary tillerson tried to clarify comments made by the president. sec. tillerson: americans should sleep well tonight, have no concerns about this particular rhetoric of the last few days. david: retired general wesley clark joins us. he's now a senior fellow at ucla. let me ask you about the comments to secretary of state --secretary of state tillerson made. it sounds to me like he is saying the risk doesn't match the rhetoric. >> he saying let's not get everybody excited about something. korea wees, north deter north korean military adventurism. you look at what options are available, so much of the conversation centers on diplomatic solution. that aside, plans have to be underway for military options as well. gamedch of this has been out or thought about over the course of the decades we've been dealing with this issue? gen. clark: a

being a revolving door. the at the end of the day one official told me he's not going to try to stop trump from being tr trump. trump does like having interactions with staffers but he wants to limit those from the -- >> another man who said don't stop trump from being trump. anthony scaramucci. tomorrow we get a brand new call. >> scaramucci vision. >> david dr--he said he's going dark. but he's not. going under the bright lights. >> nobody in trump's inner circle always reemerge. i think tony s i think anthony scaramucci is going to continue to. a lot of the influences on trump that are ultimately deemed to be unhelpful, let's say, to his success, or whether it was in the campaign or white house never really drift away. the and i think over time we'll see anthony scaramucci reemerge as one of the president's surrogates on television. le doing that prior to his blow-up last week he was always very effective at that. the it's clearly something he has an interest in keeping it up. the he's putting on a big show tomorrow. i don't think this is going to be the last we're going to see of him. >> as long as it's 9

he said you have to let trump be trump, and i've are member him saying that and i thought it was wrong. you have to adjust to the you are in. that is not how this world operates. the people around him can only do so much. in four months or five months, they will find ways to let fail.l kelly felt -- that is not how this business is meant to operate. it is not practical to run a country this way. is anesidency institution. towards possible impeachment, but we cannot continue to operate this way. we cannot continue to operate this way, because we are failing tremendously. these other aspects and these other things that are happening, they are getting in the way of some of the positive things he said he would go for. we do have some news on tax reform which we will get to. around at the people , "aftert trump dismantling obama era regulations in the first six months, the epa is about "will be its toughest fight which is the endangerment finding on greenhouse gases. it is a game changing document that jake -- that laid the foundation for many of the environmental and climate change regulat

trump being trump, he rushed to twitter to claim he dumped them first. tweeting, rather than putting pressure onner the business people, i'm ending both. yesterday amid growing defections, he was downright braggadocious saying i have many to take their place. initially the white house and others, saying the president was entirely correct. the white house held a conference call for surrogates, hosted by presidential aide steven miller. the vice president traveling in south america said that he stands by the president. >> what happened in charlottesville was a tragedy. and the president has been clear on this tragedy and so have i. i spoke at length about this heart situation on sunday night. in colombia. and i stand with the president and i stand by those words. >>> and while a handful of republican officials have publicly condemned trump's performance, the party leaders in congress declined to call him out by name. instead releasing vague statements denouncing racism and hate groups. he waited four days. now as the public has stood by the neo-nazis and k

trump, somber trump, free style trump. personally, i'm waiting for the first appearance of reggae trump. that's what i'm waiting for. that will be exciting. one build a wall and mexico will pay for it, blacks blah -- blah, bigly, bigly! ( applause ) that's what i'm waiting for. although people would like to believe -- would like to believe donald trump switches every day because he's not in control. i think it's the opposite. this is not a bug of donald trump. it's a feature. he's in full control of which persona shows up. he told us about it this morning. he tweeted, "the fake news is now complaining about my different types of back-to-back speeches. there was afghanistan -- somber -- the big rally -- enthusiastic, dynamic and fun -- and the american legion -- respectful and strong. ( laughter ) is it just me or is it trump's modeling his personalities? afghan trump, somber, rally trump, enthusiastic, dynamic and fun. american legion trump, respectful and strong! ( laughter ) ( cheers and applause ) and now, look, don't get me wrong. all politicians adjust their performance for different crowds. obama speaks differently in a bl

be a shift or will theyad add somebody new? less incendiary? maybe like a michael savage? [laughter] >> i started this segment by freezing your analysis, this is a big night forna me. i think trump, president trumppresident trump. you are exactly right. he's not going to change just because steve bannon is there or not. bannon met with bob mercer, the hedge fund millionaire this week, president trump -- and live confirmed that. that means they've been talking things through.ea about how to play the outside game with steve bannon and the mercers, perhaps. that's an interesting thing in and of itself. >> lisa: hi, bret, it's lisa. are we expecting for people like steve miller or sebastian gorka, more closely aligned with steve bannon. does this signal anything for them? are you hearing of any additional staff changes? >> all we have heard is that general kelly is not finished cleaning house. if that's accurate i think there are people that will be looking over their shoulder. people, there are probably a couple of them. steve miller has entrenched himself. into this speech writing and on the more communication side of things. maybe a better position. there are a couple others who might be looking

outside media outlet that reinforces donald trump's most extreme policies won't be just as if not more influential to donald trump's mind and donald trump's eyes and donald trump's twitter feed as someone who's sort of hemmed in by the constraints of being a west wing staffer? >> the reason i don't think it will be as influential although it will be influential is the way that donald trump consumes media. he doesn't -- he reads "the new york post" in the morning. "new york times," the printed newspapers and he watches cable tv throughout the day and evening and early morning. but what bannon would be creating -- so obviously he will probably be doing stuff with breitbart online. and then who knows. he might to a tv element which i expect to be a streaming only play. probably outflanking fox on the right, although i wouldn't rule out work -- trying to build a new tv network which is what roger ailes wanted to do with bannon before he died. so trump gets access to this, to the extent that they're printed out and shown to him and there are fewer people frankly that are going to do that and john kelly is now taking charge of the paper flow to

trump is. and the president of mexico was going to find out just how tough donald trump is, and leaders were going to find out how tough donald trump was and america would be respected around the world because of how tough donald trump is, and now vladimir putin expels 755 americans working in the american embassy in moscow, and tough guy donald trump is afraid to utter a single word about it. can it be anything else? is there any other explanation other than fear? donald trump is just terrified of vladimir putin. no one can seriously dispute that now. donald trump has personally lavished praise on vladimir putin more than he has on any other foreign head of state. donald trump paid slavish attention to vladimir putin, more attention than he paid to anyone else there, including all the other countries with bigger economies than russia. and when vladimir putin expels 755 americans from our embassy in moscow, donald trump is now afraid to say a word about it. no united states president in history would remain silent in the face of expulsion of american diplomats from any country, least of all russia. what would donald trump say if mexico expelled one person

people who feel that way, that this kind of came out of left field but that it might just be trump being trump, ratcheting up the threats and kind of using force and big blustery language in hopes that other people will back down. now, it's unclear whether or not what his full intention was here, and we did see some pretty strong pushback from venezuela. i think that we'll see -- we'll know more about this when trump comes to washington on monday. at that time he says that he will have a press conference and hopefully there will be some ability to ask him to clarify that point. >> let me quickly read the statement from senator ben sasse of nebraska. he says, no, congress obviously isn't authorizing war in venezuela. nichololas maduro is a horrible human being but congress doesn't vote to spill nebraskans blood based on who the executive lashes out at today. quickly to you, jacqueline, this would seem to play right into the hands of nicolas maduro and the consolidation that he's going through with the government there in venezuela. >> absolutely. i think it definitely makes it look as if the u.

practiced hillary clinton is what hurt her so much. >> exactly. >> look, you had trump unplugged last night. people love trump being trump. if she would have turned off and said, hey predator, can you back it up? >> her whole m.o. was let me focus on the ideology, the policy, my preparedness for office. this is the contrast for me and this thug in her words probably. also, in terms of the campaign history, if you read "shattered" which probably a lot of your audience has, side by side with what it sounds like is in this hillary clinton book it will be interesting because that was all about the broken campaign apparatus and the infighting and the silos and the wrong-headed strategy. >> at the end of the day, obviously she got more votes than he did so she should have won the election. >> but she lost the election. >> at the end of the day you had to show passion. that's what she missed, that's what al gore missed. you can't win an election if people don't think you're fighting for them. if you have a passive way of responding to a creep, they're not going to like you. >> wait a minute, you think mitt romney doesn't show p

trump be trump? >> if your becoming a lame duck president six months in? >> i don't think we're quite at that point yet. everything the president says and does is having an impact, but i think there is an increasing level of frustration, and it will be a real test to see if it is a republican party or a midterm party for president trumpt might seem like a long time, but i promise you it is not a long time at all. kacie hunt, caesar vargas, thank you for being with me today. remember when president trump said this in february? >> we must ensure that our courageous servicemen and women have the tools they need to deter -- we have to win, we have to start winning wars again. >> the president has become increasingly frustrated that we're losing america's longest war. 8,000 troops are in harm's way every day, just yesterday two american service members were killed by a suicide bomber near the city of candihar. they said a fuming president suggested in the situation room two weeks ago that his defense secretary fire his top commander in afghanistan, general john nicholson. they sat down with hr mcmaster to ask him directly. >> do you have confidence in the commander? >> yes, i have known him many years. >> so does secretary mattis and the president? >> absolutely. >> carol lee is joining me now, wonderful reporting on this

of donald trump, and this really did truly bother donald trump to the point -- >> we have seen this before. if someone has a reported role in donald trump's rise, and donald trump wants to be -- this is the guy in the republican convention who said i'm the one guy alone who can fix it. i think he still tries with the exception of when he is blaming everything on mitch mcconnell. he still tries to put that forward as being everything that is good is because of me. everything that is bad is because of someone else. >> for somebody perspectively who might be asked to join this administration, somebody with a credible, solid resume, you look at not just bannon, but you look at the entire roster over the last eight months. what do you take away from that? >> not only that, but you also take away the amount of people that have left, about the people within that he has attacked, and that would have me most concerned going into this white house. you know that this president will never fully have your back. why would you go in for that and did your job that you risk your reputation on? >> that's a possibility. now there's a public feud between bannon and trump. >> there are those f

does he continue to want to let trump be trump? and as we know this president does not like to be bullied into things. that's the only reason i thought steve bannon might survive because when you have nancy pelosi calling for him to be fired, that could be a little job security. this is something the president was going to give general kelly. general kelly wanted steve bannon to go. the president went along with that part of showing respect to general kelly and maybe buying himself time on changing he doesn't wasn't to make. >> rose: mike allen of axios, thank you for this conversation. >> charlie, thanks for a great conversation in historic times. >> rose: we'll be right back, stay with us. >> rose: we turn to another terror attack in europe, 14 died and more than 100 injured in a pay pair of attacks in barcelona and cambrils. terrorists hoped to inflict heavy casuals by driving vehicles into crowds of pedestrians. we turn to frances townsend, former homeland security advisor to president bush and also a contributor to cbs news. wh

trump supporter. he said that he sees this as a clear signal president trump will pardon people who might be prosecuted in the mueller probe. he wrote, the message of his pardon is donald trump has your back. no one will roll over on trump to avoid mueller's charges because people know trump can and will pardon them if they remain loyal. i heard democrats say that. but hearing a trump supporter say that seems even more significant. >> i disagree with that. i think this is -- arpaio is a publicity seeking birther who gets himself into trouble and blames other people. i can't imagine why he is standing behind him. it's a personal affinity. it ticks off the right people. he has the power to pardon him. but there's a pile of ige know minutous -- i think manning goes on that pile. perhaps this does. particularly because he is an avatar of toughness and law enforcement to some. but he is an avatar for abuses of power in law enforcement and some of the worst excesses there. there's an argument that some of this was politically motivated, the timing going after him. >> by the obama administration. >> right. but this is a guy who i think has gone too far in many cases. by the way, wa

trump officials and vladimir putin during the campaign. the person behind that e-mail now president trump's deputy chief of staff. cnn exclusive reporting next. >>> and is donald trump fit to be president? former director of national intelligence, james clapper, is my best tonight. >>> plus that enthusiastic supporter at the trump rally holding up a blacks for trump sign, who is he? >>> i'm jim sciutto. out front tonight, a cnn exclusive. a revealing reveal under new skrooutny by investigators. te mail detailed an effort to arrange a meeting between top trump officials and russian president vladimir putin during the campaign. multiple sources say that the e-mail was sent from rick dearborn, now trump's dep any chief of staff. it was sent around the time of the june 2016 trump tower meeting. and russians offering damaging information on hillary clinton. dearborn was a top campaign aid at the time. manu ra manu raju broke this story. >> investigators have unearthed this e-mail from this top trump aid that references previously unreported efforts to arrange a meeting between trump officials and vladimir putin. this is according to sources with direct knowledge. the aid, the pres

ryan clearly saying dwoent want we don't want to see a shutdown but is this, i hate the phrase, trump being trump? if there's one thing he knows from a background in real estate, it's how to bluff and how to play chicken. is that what he's doing? >> perhaps, but he might be playing chicken with his own party's leaders at this point. mitch mcconnell and paul ryan know when republicans are in a unified control of government they can't blame democrats for shutting everything down. >> am i being a silly girl optimist, but maybe somewhere here there's a silver luhning, much like the problem solvers caucus, could we see democrats and republicans work together around president trump like they're trying to do on health care, like they're trying to d on russia, securing bob mueller's position? could we see that here? >> it's not trump's call to make to shut down the government unless he's going to veto when democrats and republicans get together as they always do to pass a debt ceiling increase. they'll do it, right, and it won't be something that i particularly like because it's going to increase spendin

be prioritized in this country. for example, curled bernstein. i very tune into what carl has been saying on cnn that trump is being unfit for office and trump requiringsychiatric and medical examination in order too cacarry on. that is the biggest story of all. but that is never going to get any traction. that idea of hustling trump into a doctors office and having them checked out, that is never going to -- amy: yet people like the tennessee senator corker who was pro-trtrump, now talking about s stability and his ability to lead. are you concerned about the man behind him, vice president pence , without the chaos of donald trump, without the catastrophe of donald trump for even the republicans -- the plan will then really accelerate of what they want to do? >> no one can predict what will happen. two things, one, pence, although bhoind most of his a policies rrent.t. trump would need to resign or be impeached between now and 2020. i think democrats -- i believe -- not just hoping that i believe the democrats would make huge inroads in 2018 and then pence is faced with democrcratic house or senate and house. pence knows how to deal. he is one of the

just trump being trump. it really did launch mistrust about the media. distracted or changed the conversation, which the white house wants it to do. change the conversation to a new investigation and away from president trump around the russian hacking. >> that's true. there's truth to that. in fairness, trump has been on this anti-leak campaign for a while now. i do think there's something to be said for letting mueller do his job. there are a lot of good things coming out of the airing of some of these things. on the other hand, mule seller n it. he has a team of people. he can do this in a way in the end is going to be much more useful to the american people than leaks that might end up damaging his investigation. >> mueller is not on the transcripts we got yesterday about the conversations with mexico and australia about which the administration has been dishonest. mule ser n mueller sr. not on the conversation that happened. you all seem to be in favor of what's happening here. i think the american people are being lied to. >> isn't whistle blowing.

. >> so, looking back on his 11-day tenure, this was the, let trump be trump guy, right? t through the campaign and kind of became cliche but this is how -- what was he, you know, in terms of being the head of the communications shop, he was -- this is how he was trying to convince people to go, right? which obviously something changed once reince priebus was out and general kelly was in. >> if you read the communications memo that he wrote that leaked out yesterday, a lot of communications professionals in politics and a lot of journalists who were reading it yesterday said, he had some good ideas there and on the plus side of the ledger, he was trying to open the white house up a little bit more, get the cameras back on in the briefing room. he was really emphasizing having a better relationship with the press, so those were all positive things. i think on the side of the ledger that if he had stayed, not so sure how it would have went, is that he believed that the real problem in the white house was that the public just didn't see the side of trump that he saw. he had t

always have to wonder would we be here tonight, would donald trump be president if otherwise reasonable people like bob corker had not enabled the trump candidacy, the trump nomination? would we be here tonight if republicans like senator bob corker had not allowed their party's apparatus to deliver donald trump to the white house? politically the smartest thing for democrats to do when bob corker says something like this is to just privately thank him for speaking his mind and encourage him to continue to do so and never, ever remind him that he was part of the party that allowed this to happen to this country and to the world. senator corker is a southern republican senator from tennessee who is troubled by donald trump's reaction to the murder of heather heyer in charlottesville that was encouraged by a white supremacist mob. >> he also recently has not demonstrated that he understands the character of this nation. he has not demonstrated that he understands what has made this nation great and what it is today, and he's got to demonstrate the characteristics of a president who understands that. and without the things that i just me