justice department. there's a sense that taking on affirmative action is popular with the trump base, which is not known s diverse the. -- its diversity. but, courts respect to the supreme court. the justice department would have to show that colleges are not following the guidelines set by the supreme court. not just that they happen disagree with the idea of affirmative action. oft: what is the history affirmative action in the country? how did we get from the point where there's discrimination to the point how far colleges can go is being controlled? guest: you have to start in the era of segregation. many colleges banned black students and effectively banned latina students. --ot of fire education latino students. a lot of higher education was mostly white. aesident lyndon johnson gave famous speech about how you cannot say a race is fair if one of the contestants has been in shackles. he introduced this idea that you a persononsider where comes from and their relative advantages and disadvantages. colleges started to create programs. it wasn't enough to just say we welcome all students were all appl

with more. >> statement began with saying the city of chicago will not be blackmailed by trump's justice departmenttement was made as rahm emanuel filed a lawsuit attempting to force the department of justice continuing to send crime-fighting funds to the city even though the city will not cooperate with the federal government. last year, the program gave chicago $2.3 million but now the application says to get money in the future, a police department must grant federal agents unlimited access to local police stations and must give homeland security agents 48 hour warning before a detainee is released, particularly if that individual is an immigrant. the chicago mayor argues that it goes against the moral principles that build a city like chicago. >> this is true to who we are, it is true to who we are as a city, and our future. >> the police superintendent noted that if immigrants fear they will be reported to the police and deported, they will be less inclined to cooperate with police and give information. sometimes it is so that it is tragic that he is less concerned with the staggering crime st

. >>> chicago will be the first city to sue the donald trump justice department over sanctuary city warnings. >>> and taylor swift heads tour. "early today" starts right now. s is >> good morning, i'm phillip with us. >>> the international community is responding to the growing nuclear threat from north korea. tun security council voted to impose tough new sanctions and president trump spoke with south korea's president discussing the grave danger posed by north korea. janice, what more can you tell us about the situation in north korea? >> reporter: trump spoke with the president of south korea, both agreeing there needs to be maximum pressure on north korea. this is the message that secretary of state rex tillerson has been carrying at the asean forum in the philippines, the fact that in order for talks to start, the tests have to stop. mr. tillerson called the vote on saturday at the u.n. a good outcome. here's more of what he had to say. >> we hope, again, that this ultimately will result in north korea coming to the conclusion to choose a different pathway, and when the conditions are r

nearly 2 dozen republican are calling on trump justice department to appoint a special counsel.o investigate the number of scandals involving hillary clinton and the obama administration. tonight i'll talk with one of them congressman ron desantis and senate judiciary committee has given the justice department until this thursday, to disclose whether it is investigating alleged collusion between a democratic national committee operative, and ukrainian government officials. republicans on the house judiciary commit latest week, they voted to demand fbi documents pertaining to clinton e-mail investigation. specifically they want former fbi director james comey's conversations with obama administration officials and journalists, perhaps lawmakers should pay closer attention to white house press briefing. press secretary sarah huckabee sanders today laid out the clinton a troubling ties to russia. >> you are focused on a meeting that don jr. had no consequence when democrats actually colluded with a foreign gust like ukraine. took money from russian government and created phony doss

meet at a sleep number store. ♪ >> harris: the city of chicago filing a lawsuit against the trump justice department sanctuary cities, which harbor illegal immigrants. rahm emanuel says his city will not be blackmailed and predicts that other sanctuary cities will be filing suit. watch. to speak trump justice department has announced new restrictions on burn grants and has asked the city of chicago to choose between our core values as a welcoming city and our fundamental principles of community precinct. it is a false choice and a wrong choice. chicago will not let the police officers become political pawns in a debate. at the city of chicago may be the first to bring the lawsuit, but i am confident that we will not be the last. >> harris: the justice department is firing back, pointing to chicago's alarming crime rate, telling the sun-times, in 2016 more chicagoans were murdered than in new york city and los angeles combined. tragic that the mayor is less than concerned with that staggering figure then he is with spending time and taxpayer money protecting aliens inputting law enforcement and great

morning, corporation counsel on behalf of the city of chicago will file suit against the trump justice department in federal court first thing in the morning. the trump justice department has announced new restrictions on grants and is asking the city of chicago in my view to choose between my core values as a welcoming city and our fundamental principles of community policing. it is a false choice and a wrong choice. chicago will not let our police officers become political pawns in a debate. the city of chicago may be the first to bring a lawsuit, but i'm also confident we will not be the last. liz: this lawsuit comes as chicago's shooting death continued decline. a 14-year-old boy among the three dead in recent shootings. 27 were wounded in just the past weekend shootings. bringing the total number shot in chicago 256 year to date. homicide 417, both at record levels. let's bring in america first policies, nonprofit by several trump campaign aids. she's katrina pearson. good to see you, can a tureen. >> what, hi, liz, great to be here. liz: now, jeff sessions blasted sanctuary cities in the pa

. >> this is a pretty high priority for the trump justice department and reasonably so. we have to distinguish between links. there are the leaks that are irritating to the white house but are not a big deal if the president will roll out a policy on thursday and we hear about it on monday. they get irritated about that. but on the other hand, leaks of classified information are a criminal matter. they are very serious and we've seen some incredibly serious leaks in the trump administration. we've seen the leak of intercepted communications involving the first national security advisor michael flynn. we've seen the leaks of the content of the oval office conversations between the president and top russian leaders and just last week we saw the leak of the transcript of a one-on-one presidential conversation between the president and the leaders of mexico and australia. these are really high priority, criminal leaks and it is not surprising at all that the trump administration is going to go after them. remember the obama administration was tough on leaks as well. >> shann

the trump justice department acknowledged the law, but said flexibilityow somes and ohio is within the rules, nvra eliminated removing nonvoters without butce and using procedures, legislative history indicates congress did not require states abandon entirely. may behe registrant that ineligible, reaction from voting rights groups saying the law changed since the department said it was unlawful. would change the leadership of the department has changed. that is the president and xecutive director of the lawyers committee for civil rights under law. first up on the open phones, fairfax, virginia. independent line. you're on. go ahead. caller: yes, good morning. thank you for taking my call. can you hear me okay? hollands you are on, i can hear morning. caller: thank you. i have the just a couple topic, but ut the ultimately there is a question added to the end of it. as an independent, i've noticed hat there has been a lot of calls and comments from callers, feel that under this administration, there has well, the of -- sentiment there has been attacks on the irst amendment, media. the

. >> ed sis call on behalf of the city of chicago will file suit against the trump justice departmentounced new restrictions on burn grants and is asking the city of chicago, in 3450eu view, to choose between our core values as a welcoming city and our fundamental principles of community policing. it is a false choice and a wrong choice. chicago will not let our police officers become political pawns in a debate. the city of chicago may be the first to bring a lawsuit. but i'm also confident we will not be the last. todd: along those lines if i can put on my legal hat here for a moment. it shows the hypocrisy of the liberal left. if you will recall, arizona, remember when they wanted to do a specific state immigration issue. the liberal left said oh, no, that's a federal issue. you can't interfere in that. well, now, different situation. and they are saying oh, no, immigration is now a state issue. you can't have it both ways in this context when, in fact, a state wants to do something that is above and beyond the federal government, more often than not, they are allowed to have regul

by airing the first shot in the tragedy but the appeals court ruling now means that the trump justice department will have to decide if they want to reprosecute the slaton caves which is now spanned three different presidencies meanwhile slams three compatriots will more than likely have their prison terms drastically reduced in the recent unsing i guess when it when it comes to the tragedy that is the iraq war that even after multiple multiple multiple years and multiple multiple multiple convictions justice will once again have to weigh. eight until we start watching the hawks. legal looks like. it was. analyzing the bottom. of the play like i got. it.

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lawsuit against the department of justice, rahm emanuel say it's illegal for the justice department withhold public money if it continues to act as sanctuary city. >> i don't believe the trump justice department should be putting a city in a cross hairs of choosing between what values of finding common sense of values around being a welcoming city and then fundamentally to the core concept that our police department is built upon. kelly: in response to chicago's lawsuit, sarah flores told the chicago sun times this, she said, in 2016 more chicagoans were murdered than in new york city and los angeles combined. so it's a specially tragic at the mayor is less concerned. with that staggering figure, then he is spending time and taxpayer money protecting criminal alliance and putting chicago's law enforcement at greater risk. now, chicago's murder rate continues to climb higher a year ago at this time. the number of murderers 404. this year the rates stand at 416 murderers through july. rahm emanuel says the city is the first to law firm a lawsuit and others will follow. rob. rob: and murder rate is biofeedbacking this year. i cannot believe it's gotten even higher. all right,

trump? >> there's no question that it is because of clearly the date that we've made the bill retroactive to. this is about the department of justice. >> reporter: the president blasted the media on twitter showing. trump base he tweeted is far bigger and stronger than ever before, despite some phony fake news polling. indeed, since his inauguration, the president crisscrossed the country, energizing and arguably reassuring base by the thousands including stops in key battleground states like iowa, florida, ohio and pennsylvania, the rallies are a far better barometer of the electorate than unfairly weighted polls. the latest "fox news poll" shows the support among the base is very high with 88% of voters approving of his job performance. a performance presumably enhanced by new chief of staff general john kelly who expressed a desire to push the president's use of social media, twitter in particular, in the right direction. no small task say experts. >> i think the president's a lot smart or this than the smart people. he knows when he tweets who's chain he's trying to pull or trying to buck up. >> reporter: this as the white hous

and actually time warner they have to satisfy the trump justice department that there's nothing for this merger so they're in a real precarious situation they've got to both satisfy the bottom line you know b.p. can sort of speak but not too much but i concur one hundred percent were it not for trouble lot of these people would frankly have gone away gone by the wayside now when it comes to the audience can you speak to value when it comes to you know what trumps ads on television and when he's always that approaching c.n.n. and other news organizations calling them fake news out of this in fact the audience the audience loves this this is a true rally i know it's hard to find a you know an antecedent and in that world of history a harry truman or somebody. the new york times sucks i mean the language is a bit crude but you know actually these are different times this president one of the i like every night came along these as i'm going to use twitter i'm going to use twitter and i'm going to speak directly to my constituents estimate one number two we live in a i hate to say it crude or

justice department, this deadline coming september 5. there's a number of challenges for this suit to proceed. what are they? >> it is a big one. it's so big that. trumpill make the decision essentially abrogating that power to the white house itself rather than to the justice department and homeland security. so the challenge is this. this program tomorrow marks the 5th anniversary of the program going into operation. it's called daca, deferred acc for childhood arrivals. it protects about 800,000 of the dreamers, the young illegals that came and brought by their parents as children who have been in the country, worked toward an education and generally kept out of legal troubles and the most sympathetic characters in this whole immigration debate. the problem is that they have perhaps a tenuous claim. there's not necessarily a clear pathway to citizenship for them in the future. so even though they're sympathetic, there's not necessarily a clear claim to future legal status, which makes the president, president obama, announce in 2012 very legally suspect. >> sandra: stephen, i want to share with what the president said aboard air force one about thi

testify.refused to finally, the justice department backed off. i think the trumptice department isn't going to want they will wantf, to make an example of someone who is as highly respected as he is. you have been one of several officials who have talked about the overclassification of materials. can you elaborate on that? john: there is something like 3 million classified documents in databases. most americans don't even realize this but it is actually classifyo over something. my wife and i were in the cia at the same time. if i wanted to have lunch with her, i would send her a message and say, do you want to have lunch? why did that have to be secret? it is not secret. but everything was classified at the secret level because it was the policy. she would respond "sure, i will meet you at 12:00." and it would be classified as secret. impetus of the new justice department announcement, the leak of the transcripts of trump 's conversation with the prime minister of australia and with the president of mexico, the information in those transcripts wasn't sensitive. i

by airing the first shot in the tragedy but the appeals court ruling now means that the trump justice department will have to decide if they want to reprosecute the slaton caves which is now spanned three different presidencies meanwhile slams three compatriots will more than likely have their prison terms drastically reduced in the recent unsing i guess when it when it comes to the tragedy that is the iraq war that even after multiple multiple multiple years and multiple multiple multiple convictions justice will once again have to weigh. until we start watching the whole. thing. with the. real thing with. the bottom. like you know what i got. this. week so. well of all the watching the hawks like him so i robot for some time to have a lot more avoids out of the i remember celebrating. when they got convicted just let it slip. back in for the two years later justice is no longer more than three years old it would be justice is no longer serve maybe justice is served again because the public court things were messed up about this trial and sent it all back to the to the beginning is essentially

it was blacked out by the trump justice department. ys like jay works for president trump. why is trump justice department blocking out material that could give us idea what going on. >> all this has been blacked out. your thoughts on this story? >> absolutely. the american people need to know what happened and especially the talking points with all these documents we know the justice department under the rather lynch were very concerned about this meeting going public. apparently all the e-mails going back and forth, the best they could come up with was her and president clinton were talking about grandchildren for the first 45 minutes. i think the trump administration and jeff sessions at the justice department need to look into this to say his decision whether to redact all of these materials. also keep in mind these are documents that the fbi said it named after him now because judicial watch in the justice department would get all these documents. there is a lot going on and we need answers. connell: what stands out to you, charlie

lou: why isn't the trump justice department -- >> they should, i hav written columns encouraging themo use that law to begin prosecutor people like the officials in strants that le san francisco that let the illegal ilillegal immigrant free. lou: there is nothing more ridiculous b than watching mayor rahm emanuel talking about how he will stand up for sanctuary city status. >> it is a diversion. lou: for what he is out of his mind. >> it all politics in chicago. you have 4 hun peopl 400 people dead this year in homicide. lou: not too small to get attention of augusta mayor. >> he is hoping to divert attention. not so clever subdefuge. lou: quickly, loretta lynch and the aliases along with everything else she did at attorney general. always was the bad guys who used aliases, heretofore. >> still bad guys using them, the bad guy may be loretta lynch and eric holder before here and others. i have a file they used them to hide documents from foya requests, he is the law on this a crime for a government official to willfully conceal a public document, a government document. is that what ly

trump? >> well, there is no question that it is. because of clearly the day that we made the bill retroactive to. this is about the department of justice>> the president also blasted the media on twitter today. this time for citing new quinnipiac polling that showed his approval ratings at just 33%. the trump base he tweeted is far bigger and stronger than ever before despite some phony fake news polling. indeed, since his inauguration, the president has crisscrossed the country, energizing and arguably reassuring his base by the thousands, including stops in key battleground states like iowa, florida, ohio, and pennsylvania. those rallies, trump aides say, are a far better barometer of the electorate than unfairly weighted polls. the latest fox news survey found the president's support among his base is very high with 88 % of trump voters from 2016 approving of his job performance. a performance presumably enhanced by his new chief of staff, general john kelly. who has express add desire to push the president's use of social media, twitter in particular, in the right direction. no small task say experts. >> i actually think the presid

nearly 2 dozen republican are calling on trump justice department to appoint a special counsel.o investigate the number of scandals involving hillary clinton and the obama administration. tonight i'll talk with one of them congressman ron desantis and senate judiciary committee

. >> these are false choices, the trump justice department is asking us to make. the windy city. chicago filing a sanctuary city lawsuit against the trump department. how the doj is firing back? heather: surprise tornado ripping through city and blind-siding residents as they swept and destroyed buildings. "fox & friends" starts right now. ♪ ♪ rob: all right, good morning. still dark outside. a live look at man -- heather: president trump answering a call after threat of north korea. rob: new threats in response against new sanctions. griff with developments overnight. hey, griff. >> the president not taking a vacation from the north korean threat speaking last night with the president of north korea who urged the president to apply maximum pressure on new sanctions. the president tweeting, quote, just completed call with president moon of north korea, very happy a

coming up next, chicago has filed suit bens the justice department against trump's efforts to withholdrom sanctuary cities. >> it is wornt that we make very clear to them and to all the residents of the city of chicago that we are going to fight and stand up for our values as a welcoming city. >> he had sis colawyer for the city of chicago standing by. i'll talk to him after the break. you were made to move. to progress. to not just accept what you see, but imagine something new. at invisalign®, we use the most advanced teeth straightening technology to help you find the next amazing version of yourself. it's time to unleash your secret weapon. it's there, right under your nose. get to your best smile up to 50% faster. visit invisalign.com to get started today. before fibromyalgia, i was a doer. i was active. then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. my doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. she also prescribed lyrica. fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. woman: for some, lyrica can significant

therefore, the trump justice department could use and effectively force universities to end their racist affirmative action policies by forcing them to lose federal funding. as i said, president trump will end affirmative action like lincoln ended slavery. >> i want to put on the screen a pie chart that shows the breakdown of the incoming class of harvard and ask you a question. 22.2% asian-american. how many asians are too many asians for the harvard incoming class? should there be any limit whatsoever? what if on the merits, if you go by gpa and sat score, you could fill the entire class at harvard with asian-americans, should they do so? >> first of all, there's the multifactorial administration process, nine criteria with grades, letters of recommendation, essay. grades and test scores are not the only consideration. data can easily be manipulated. i'm a cfra holder, but the simple point is that as an asian-american, it is harder to get into college or graduate school than any other racial category. where data is available, it's consistently harder for an asian-american to get in. i

what they want to do is make it so if president trump wants to fire mueller through the justice departmentmueller could challenge that and he would have a three judge panel decide whether or not he should be removed. >> i want to bring jim in on that point. it shows the senate sees its role and the point of how these proceedings go down. congressional hearings can be rough. a grand jury proceeding make those hearings look like a cocktail party. >> they sure do. it's one thing to lie via the press but it's a whole other ball of wax to lie before a grand jury. a couple of things. first of all, i think the hill is going to give due difference to mueller to extent they can. they have a lot of trust in him. i think you and your readers need to understand these bills introduced today are interesting. what i find fascinating is it's indicative of more and more republicans especially in the senate are going out of their way to try to find ways to distance themselves for trump. they're not going to carry water for this guy on something as serious as this. there is a problem if we're talking about t

. >>> today the trump justice department announced new investigations and policies to crack down on leakshis nation must end this culture of leaks. we will investigate and seek to bring criminals to justice. we will not allow rogue annou e anonymous sources to sell out our country. i have this warning, don't do it. >> trump officials have been complaining about all types of leaks to leaks that may be criminal like classified intel or those private with foreign leaders. he's said there's triple leaks with trump. there are either more leaks or complaints. he says he may create harsher policies to threaten with jail time if they don't give up their sources. the keyword is subpoena which is enforced with jail time. >> one of the things we're doing is reviewing policies affecting media issue knees. we respect the important role that the press plays and we'll give them respect. it's not unlimited. they cannot place lives at risk with impunity. we must balance the press's role with protecting our national security. >> you can't threaten reporters with jail unless the attorney general finds doing

and that was set by the trump justice department by a man trump picked to be the deputy attorney generalrosenstein. he set the parameters of this investigation. so in a sense mr. trump is responsible. >> right. but with bill clinton, the public stuck with bill clinton. >> and they are not sticking with mr. trump, and that's a really interesting and political problem. because part of this is political should it ever get to up people. . impeachment. >> but prosecutors stumble across some financial irregularity that has nothing to do with russia or even the election, would they pursue it, i mean, from a legal standpoint? gloria, would they? >> it really depends on what it is. what happened with the nixon years is that as they were investigating nixon, they found all of these other irregularities and of course, obstruction of justice, conspiracy to obstruct justice was actually the charge. but the executive privilege issue was the issue that stopped them cold. so this issue of whether or not they could go after a sitting president for any other criminal reason was never decided. it was left

therefore, the trump justice department could use, with the supreme court, could effectively force theo end their racist affirmative action policies. by forcing them to lose their federal funding. so, as i said, president trump will end affirmative action like lincoln ended slavery. >> and i want to put on the screen a pie chart that shows the breakdown of this incoming class at harvard. i want to ask you a question. 22.2% asian-american. how many asians are too many asians for the harvard incoming class? should there be any limit what so far? what if on the merits if you go by gpa and s.a.t. score you could fill the entire class at harvard with asian-americans, should they do so? >> first of all there a multifact tomorrow process, nine criteria including grades and essay. i'm not saying grades and territories should be the only thing. but the simple point is as an asian-american, it is harder to get into college or graduate school than any other racial category. in every place where the data is available, it is consistently harder for an asian-american to get in. i used the example ea

and that was set by the trump justice department by a man trump picked to be the deputy attorney generalhe sense of the investigation. >> right. but with bill clinton, the public stuck with bill clinton. >> and they are not sticking with president trump and that's an interesting and important problem because part of this is political, should it get to impeachment -- >> but prosecutors stumble across some financial irregularity that has nothing to do with russia or even the election, would they pursue it, i mean, from a legal standpoint? gloria, would they? >> it really depends on what it is. what happened with the nixon years is that as they were investigating nixon, they found all of these other irregularities and of course, conspiracy to obstruct justice is what was the charge. but the executive privilege issue was the issue that stopped them cold. so this issue of whether or not they could go after a sitting president for any other criminal reason was never decided. it was stuck in advance because they had what they wanted, the tape. >> here's what is likely to happen. let's say he co

. >> the trump justice department is asking for us to actually turn ourselves inside out and in my wayyou put a conflict to fundamental fundamental self-interest principles commit being a welcoming city can mean policing. cheryl: this is expected to be fired today. chicago received $2 million in public safety grant/cheered, which has been used to by police vehicles. cheryl: electronics manufacturing strap.com planning a research and development facility in michigan. chinese media is reporting that would make components for vehicles. governor rick snyder and a nine-day trade mission right now. the administration is not confirming that less than two weeks ago, fox commentator would embarrass 2 billion to build a plant in wisconsin. it makes i funds for apple, working of course to confirm the report. >> tuesday's donald trump one. general motors issuing a massive recall of onto truck models because of potential issues with the steering. >> some of the headlines making news. reporter: this is pretty scary. recalling nearly 800,000 trucks found with loose power steering potentially causing

. >> president trump also announced the justice department will conduct a civil rights investigation into the car attack that killed 32-year-old heather heyer in charlottesville. there are alt-right protests planned from the bay area. nbc bay area jean ellie is in berkeley with new details. >> reporter: we are learning more about the men from bay area who participated in those events. one is a former employee at top dog and another is a bay area electrician. a rally some pay from the bay area took part in. a twitter account called yes, you're racist. identified cole white as a participant. his father didn't want to talk on camera. >> it is hate tred. >> reporter: this is not a reflection on the neighborhood and must be condemned. >> we have to embrace the diversity. >> reporter: others on the block are shocked because white's parents are democrats. bay area electrician who was scheduled to speak in charlottesville was outsided online. his union released a statement condemning white nationalism. lots of pictures are on social media. experts are urging caution and raising concerns abou

trump fired him. heather: jeff sessions is not going anywhere, the new chief of staff john kelly called sessions to tell him he will remain head of the justice department after donald trump criticized sessions calling him week for recusing himself in the russian investigation. other trump administration members not so lucky. hr mcmaster removing another raid from the council. the senior director for intelligence, and in march, after providing information to representative devon nunez accused susan rice in exposing identities with trump transition officials. and sent packing, lots of

we will not be the last because other cities know that these are false choices, that the trump justice departmentasking us to make. lauren: well, well, the justice department firing right back saying this, in 2016 more chicago wants were murdered in than new york city and los angeles combined. it is especially tragic that the mayor is less concerned with that figure spending time to protect criminal aliens and putting chicago's law enforcement at greater risk. powerful. we have arkansas attorney general leslie rutledge and former nypd pd sergeant joseph jaclone. leslie, you heard the quote i read. is rahm emanuel mixing up priorities here? is he trying to protect illegals at the expense of protecting people? >> it is quite ironic that mayor should say police should not be used political pawns exactly what the mayor is doing. he is subjecting police officers in his city and police officers in his cities or his city to unsafe environment. by not accepting, putting application for federal grant saying they should have this grant money to buy those police federal law they too could have access to mon

trump state department and made the exact same argument. if you didn't see the date, you would think this oral argument was a year ago. the obama state department. obama justicerump state department, trump justice department, all protecting mrs. clinton. connell: what? >> it seems incredible, listen to what the president said when he was candidate trump. connell: that was like the last conversation, we don't know who's raising money for who or who's again the who? >> in their opinion it was too much work and unlikely to produce anything, 33,000 e-mails is enough. connell: that was the argument. >> yes, and a federal judge appointed by president obama said it's not enough. you will go through all the state department servers. you will retrieve every e-mail mrs. clinton sent to the three aides, every e-mail they sent to each other during the time in question, the day before benghazi to january of the following year. connell: who's doing that? state department is doing that now? >> same state department drawn into court yesterday kicking and screaming is doing it. same state department that wants to protect mrs. clinton's privacy is doing it. connell: there will

it looks like the trump justice department is on track to prosecute three times as many. >> michael schmidt, this is a warning. it will, obviously, be read throughout newsrooms around the country at a time when you've got a real newspaper war going on between the times and the post in particular. most people believe -- republicans as well as democrats on capitol hill has actually been a constructive part of what we've learned about this white house. >> the people that came forward knew the ramifications of this. they're not learning anything new today. clearly, there's something going on politically that is motivating people to speak in ways that we've not seen them speak in recent times. so will things change after today? people will probably be reminded of the rules and say man this is going to be really serious. at the same time, things have not changed politically. my guess these things will probably continue. >> and to ron's point, there has been selective oval office outrage about the leaking of classified information, but only when it is embarrassing to them, not when they are among

intimated about that why not say you re-examined it this evidence and you decide both justice departments in the trumpen week on leakers in part because it is very difficult to prosecute this person without impairing the first amendment rights. we obviously want to treat the symptoms and disease. you also consider prevention. what can change culturally. how do things change so you don't get the massive leaks. the former director of the cia. they have an interesting answer to a similar question that maria put to him on her show yesterday morning. amongst the people to whom these secrets are given. is one thing to reveal a conversation that the president have with a foreign leader. it's wrong and it shouldn't happen. it's just embarrassing and does not impair national security is another thing to leak a document that contains materials that are confidential or top-secret. as a that is a serious threat to national security. how can we not imply that level of intelligence. they had disdain for the president. you probably had confronted this yourself in your prayer life. they had access to credit classifie