he is a never trumper and his lawyer is a never trumper. reporter: why would you hire him? president trump: everybody makes mistakes. mike pompeo, everybody makes mistakes. he is a never trumper, his lawyer is a never trumper, they are a dying breed and they are still there. the other problem, you are with cnn and you are fake news. reporter: [inaudible] president trump: well, the democrats don't have any time to work on anything. they have to do usmca, they have to do guns, they have many things. we want to reduce drug prices even more. we can go so far but we can work on drug prices. the democrats, the do-nothing democrats have no time to do it. reporter: [inaudible] president trump: which one? we have a great republican plan and if we take over the house, which we should, especially because of what they are doing impeachments, i think we will take over the house by big numbers and have health care like you have never seen. less expenses, prices will be much lower. we will have great health care. we have to take over because the democrats do not have time to do anything.

tweeted never trumper republican john ballinger represents never trumper pshgs bill taylor, pr n parentheses who i don't know, in testimony before congress. do nothing democrats allow republicans zero representation.

according to the corrupt media, the ukraine call concerned today's never-trumper witness.

by the way, never trumpers are what the president also referred to as human scum. we do, however, know that he served presidents both republican and democrat over his distinguished two-decade career of service to this country. the president's defenders on tv took their attacks much farther in saying that lieutenant colonel vindman has dual loyalties to ukraine, where he was born, when it was part of the soviet union. one said vindman had an affinity for ukraine. another said he was simpatico of ukraine. john yu, a legal scholar, threw out the ward espionage. capitol hill republicans immediately pushed back on the characterization. congresswoman liz cheney called questioning vindman's patriotism, quote, shameful. for more, congressman eric swalwell joins us. congressman swalwell, how much more were you able to learn from lieutenant colonel vindman today beyond what he said in his opening statement? >> good evening, anderson. the opening statement actually frankly says a lot. but we did, of course, learn more. and it was very powerful to see him enter that committee

he's a never-trumper and his lawyers are never trumper. the other problem is -- hey, everybody makes mistakes. mike pompeo, everybody makes mistakes. he's a never trumper. his later is the head of the never trumpers. they're a dying breed but they're still there. here's the other problem. you're with cnn. you're fake news. >> [question inaudible] >> they have to do usmca, they have to do guns. many things -- we want to reduce drug prices even more. we can go so far. we can get drug prices down. the do-nothing democrats have no time to do it. >> [question inaudible] >> he which ones? >> [question inaudible] >> we have a great republican plan and if we take over the house, which we should, especially because of what they're doing with impeachment, i think we'll take over the house by big numbers. you'll have healthcare, the likes of which you have never seen. much less expensive. deductibles will be lower. you'll have great healthcare. why have to take over -- because the democrats don't have time to to anything. >> [question inaudible] >> w

he referred to him as a never trumper.- and the military cons city tult the never trumpers are the people that the president and his white house spokesperson say should be referred to as human scum. >> never trumper has gone from being an actual thing, which it was in 2016 in the election to donald trump's version of anyone who criticizes me, doesn't take issue with my policy, they are a never trumper. the president saying that on his twitter feed so far based on what we've seen from the testimony, it was a lot about patriotism and his service. the other one is not changing him. this president has been pretty successful in defining people as up or down against him over the last three years. we shall see if he succeeds here. again, i do think that his credentials in the military and his displaying them as he waungd through the capital is going to make that harder. >>> just ahead, conservative commentator is back. one likening his actions to espy owe naming. details ahead. i think the house is changing him... -[ gasps ] -up

he's a never-trumper. his lawyer's the head of the never-trumpers. they're a dying breed but they're still there. and here's the other problem, you're with cnn and you're fake news. >> here's the important thing there. the president of the united states refuses to address the central charge. he didn't even -- he -- he won't -- he won't answer that question, betsy. which tells you -- and he -- it's the same playbook. we've seen this playbook before. he did it to robert mueller. now, he's trying to do it to bill taylor. >> he's staying exactly in character. you have to give him credit for consistency at least. if the relationship wasn't complicated enough as is, the fact that he is now going after his own top diplomat. >> he's still the ambassador. >> listen. i can confirm that bill taylor is currently in kiev working as the top diplomat there. that's what he is doing right now. >> if he were a never-trumper would he be working in the trump administration? >> it boggles the mind. how long taylor will be able to effectively represent the trump administr

today's witness is a never-trumper. the president just tweeting that. earlier this morning he was hinting that maybe this witness would be a never-trumper, but he's being more explicit about it and it shows you this is a new level here at the white house when the president is accusing a uniformed member of his own military who is detailed to his staff as being a never-trumper. let be clear on what the generally accepted definition of a never-trumper is. it's someone that publicly signed a letter or wrote something or is campaigning against president trump in the republican primary or even the general election. there is no evidence that alex whitman, lu tent colonel in the army ever said anything publicly questioning donald trump's ability to be president of the noi united states. they seem to be having debate about impeachment over the four the call log accurately reflects the call that he listened in on. the president is tweeting that they have taken out the number two, the next leader of isis, the number two to al baghdadi, but there hasn't been a lot

he's a never trumper. his lawyers are the head of the never trumpers.'re a dying breed but they're still there. and here's another problem. you're with cnn and you're fake news. [ inaudible question ] >> they have to do usmca, they have to do guns, they have to do many things. we want to reduce drug prices even more. we can go so far, but the democrats have no time to do it. [ inaudible question ] >> we ever a great republican plan, and if we take over the house, which we should, especially because of what they're doing with impeachment, i think we'll take over the house by big numbers. you'll have health care, the likes of which you've never seen. much less expensive. deductibles will be much lower. you'll have great health care. because the democrats don't have any time to do anything. [ inaudible question ] >> well, i know he made the speech yesterday. i went over the speech. the speech was fine. no, the speech was fine. but i'm also working very closely with china on a deal, but the speech was fine. >> mr. president, are you trying to intimidate the

president trump today also accused taylor of being a never trumper before saying never trumpers are,quote, "human scum." and there is a reason. his testimony was devastating for the president. in his 15-page opening statement to congressional investigators, bill taylor, the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine laid out perhaps the strongest evidence yet of an apparent quid pro quo. president trump with holding congressional-mandated military aid until the ukrainian president announced an investigation into joe biden and his son hunter. taylor testified he had been concerned about, quote, an irregular informal channel of u.s. policy making with respect to ukraine that includes then special envoy kurt volker, u.s. ambassador to the e.u., gordon sondland, the now outgoing energy secretary rick perry, and the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani. taylor said that by august of this year the official and unofficial channels, quote, had diverged in their objectives. the official objectives for the u.s. mean supporting president volodymyr zelensky and providing military aid to help with pro-r

members who are the never-trumpers, human scum. >> there are a lot, i think he has given another insult for childhood playground, they are out there, strong, tweeting at him, that gets under his skin. kennedy: is it mitt romney? >> probably upset with pierre. probably upset with a handful of people who are actively anti-trump. on the right. then -- >> kevin williamson. >> a handful, then those who don't love him but look at alternative, say, well, i don't know we'll see. kennedy: beats socialism. >> right, i am in that camp, not sure like a warm embrace of oh, yeah, human scum, come vote for me. all right. >> come on over. >> a bold move. kennedy: so who is he appealing to. >> to his base. this is a lashing out, it is interesting anger and rank are directing at never-trumpers who are simultaneously powerless and irrelevant. but also, deeply dangerous and more so than democrats. kennedy: do nothing democrats. >> do nothing democrats. kennedy: thank you. >> but democrats are doing something, purposin impeaching e president, and a lot of never-trumpers skeptical of impeaching. kennedy: spe

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treeted today, "yesterday's never trumper witness could find no quid pro quo. there were many people listening to the call. how come theand the president of ukraine found nothing wrong with it? witchhunt."

the never trumper republicans though on respirators with not many left are in certain ways worse and more dangerous for our country than the do-nothing democrats. watch out for them. they are human scum.

but the president today attacked taylor on twitter, calling him a "never trumper," adding, "it would be really great if people

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reporter: [inaudible]. >> tell me who the never-trumpers are. i'm not a fan of never-trumpers.m not a fan. i think they're bad people. some have recovered, okay. they went through, i guess their recovery program. it is called, they learned how to win through me but others haven't. i'm not a fan of never-trumpers. i never will be. but a never-trumper sometimes is more vicious than a failed obama candidate or failed clinton candidate, who i beat both in the election with very little experience. don't forget, i beat the obama people. i beat the bush people. and i beat the clinton people. and i had no experience, that is not a bad job. but there is a lot of angry people out there. and that is the way it goes. reporter: sir, elijah cummings, sir, have you discussed the bidens with put tin? david: this was moments ago. this is tape delay. president, of the white house, on his way to rally in south carolina, talking about a lot of things. trying to keep focus on economy, on a day when market is up about 200 points. u.s. mexico canada trade deal, health care, jobs numbers continue comi

he's a never-trumper. his lawyers -- the head of the never-trumpers. >> reporter: republicans standing by the president are arguing that taylor's testimony was merely a second-hand account. >> hearsay. not hearsay in the fact that it was passed on. it wasn't a direct conversation. >> reporter: the republicans are blasting the process that the house is undertaking behind closed doors, even though 50 republican members across the three committees are deposing the witnesses. >> we're going to go in there and figure out what's going on. >> reporter: house republicans held their own symbolic protest this week, two dozen members pushing their way into this secure room, where the house committee meets to discuss classified information. >> this is not fair. >> reporter: this while rudy giuliani is searching for his own defense lawyer, as prosecutors in new york investigate his business dealings in ukraine and try town ravel giuliani's connection to these two men, two of giuliani's associates who were charged with

he's a never trumper and his lawyer is a never trumper. >> reporter: but there is no evidence that tayloretnam veteran who served presidents in both parties, actually is a never trumper. trump now blaming his secretary of state mike pompeo who recruited taylor to serve in ukraine. >> hey, everybody makes mistakes. mike pompeo, everybody makes mistakes. >> reporter: there was talk of a war room being set up back when the white house was trying to deal with the mueller probe but at that time they also decided against creating one instead white house aides and the president's campaign took their cues from president trump's twitter feed and that is happening again. >>> nia malika henderson, i'll start with you. i was not expecting him to bring this up at criminal justice reform and getting a lot of kudos for this bipartisan act and one of the few truly bipartisan achievements of his presidency and he seemed to kind of step in it a little. >> and it is not surprising in that way, right. the president is obsessed with an impeachment. folks want him to keep on message and focus on the good thing

the never trumper republicans, though on respirators with not many left are in certain ways worse ande dangerous for our country than the do-nothing democrats. watch out for them. they are human scum. thatunderscores his anger and his frustration. >> and it is strategic. he's trying to gin up his supporters in the districts and the states where it is possible and i think that it is still an outside possibility but a possibility that they will turn on him when it comes to their votes on impeachment. that is what that is. and when you asked adam kinzinger, republican from a moderate district in illinois, he said, as he's been increasingly doing recently, he called the president out on it and said a president should not talk like that. but how many times have we heard people say that. and the president is not going to change. particularly now when his back is up against the wall. >> nia, there are some cracks among establishment republicans and republican leaders including senator john thune. he's a member of the republican leadership in this senate. he said of ambassador bill taylor's t

who was he referring to in terms of never trumper's.ecause they're all over and inside the ministration. >> i would take up way too much overtime to name those people and all at the president do that if he so chooses. his point which was well taken and well deserved, there are people inside of his government actively working against him which means there actively working against thent american worker under people. he continues to deliver results and there's people working against him. that is an act of a scumbag. i will say that all day long because i agree with him and i support him. >> i talked to a white house source, the teacher who is at the inosine, she is involved with the hr issues and actually the second highest paid administrative person on the nsc, a huge never trumper causing a lot of problems for a lot of people that are very loyal to the president's agenda in terms of foreign policy, the list goes on and on and you have to be very careful because of these people don't want to work in the ministration, don't work against th

the president is calling bill taylor a never trumper. do you have any reason to believe he has political motivations or to question his credibility? >> no. i don't know anything about bill taylor that i can say negative. >> reporter: senator lindsey graham, trump's top ally on the hill, says the white house needs a better strategy to push back on this impeachment. >> all right, so, let's get to mary bruce, with us live on the hill again tonight. and mary, the white house attacking the diplomat who testified in the last 24 hours, bill taylor, after that damaging testimony. the white house saying the diplomats who have testified in the impeachment inquiry are radical, unelected bureaucrats is what they said. but this diplomat, bill taylor, was brought on by president trump's own secretary of state and has served both republican and democratic presidents? >> reporte david, taylor has served in administrations of both parties since 1985. he was george w. bush's ambassador to the ukraine and president trump's own secretary of ate, mike pompeo

who was he referring to in terms of never trumpers. they are all over the place answer they are exactly inside the administration. >> it would take up way too much of my time to name those people. i will let the president do that. but there are people of inside of his government actively working against him. they are actively working against the american people. this is a president who continues to dliferl results and there are people -- continues to deliver results and there are people working against him. jesse: i talked to a white house source eller. lerks tisha lewis at the nfc with she is involved with a lot of the h.r. issues. she is the second highest paid administrator. causing a lot of problems. the list goes on and on. you have to be very careful. if these people don't want to work in administration, don't work there. don't work against a democratically elected president from the inside and leak and malign people to the press and try to take out other people who are working even harder for the president than you are. stephani

. >> he is a never trumper and his lawyer is a never trumper but a never trumper sometimes is more vicious than a failed obama candidate or a failed clinton candidate why beat both in the same election -- there's a lot of angry pitcher out there. >> the president has claimed impeachment is about high crimes and misdemeanors. >> this is not a game for us. it's deadly serious. >> tonight some democrats are publicly admitting this might be all about political payback. the oversight committee democrat gerry connolly in "the new york times" saying i think you are seeing some payback here. it's all about karmic justice. i'm ed henry in for martha maccallum, his statement about political payback from the deep state sounds familiar, back in januare president even took office, democrat chuck schumer alluded for something similar, issuing this warning to the soon to be commander in chief, watch >> your take on the intelligence committee, they have six ways from sunday from getting back on you. >> what you think they would do? >> from what i am told, they are very upset with how he has treated them a

at never trumpers and disguised never trumpers and his administration is long overdue.ding on twitter about this. everybody knows that the administration has unfortunately been stacked with never trumper since day one. back to the question of the elitism framing. it's cute and interesting and may help mr. stein sala's book, but it's unnecessary to come to the obvious conclusion that this is a loser for democrats. a loser politically and why nancy pelosi is not holding a vote. having the sham proceeding in the basement which is backed against due process. at the end of the day, the polls you are talking about, polls are very much based on what the questions are and the cross questions. at the rnc, our internal polling is showing a decreased amount of polling amongst democrats for this effort and a 5% decrease amongst all voters with respect to the impeachment inquiry. republicans and seven democrats think this inquiry and this effort is so biased and so lacking and due process and unfair, particularly with russia and now ukraine. this is a loser politically, a nonstarter

. >> the president is calling bill taylor a never trumperer.you have reason to question his credibility? >> no. i don't know anything about bill taylor that i can say negative but i do know we're not going to judge the president based on a statement, opening statement that hasn't been challenged. the process is what i would like to see change. if mr. taylor has something to say, let him say it in public and be cross-examined and we can make a decision about his motives. i have no reason to believe he's a never trumper. some of you can ask him. that's the whole point of being challenge. >> reporter: does the white house need to do a better job on communicating about impeachment? >> martha: senator lindsey graham, at the center of this conversation on capitol hill. let's go to chad pergram standing by. >> in just the past couple moments, the closed-door transcribed interviews, the deposition with laura cooper, the pentagon official, started. this was delayed by about five and half hours because you had republicans who are not on the intelligence

this is not a quote/unquote never trumper -- >> vindman is not a never trumper, and the president keeps repeating it. >> from a political point of view, the most devastating testimony against the president comes from the fact that bolton called this a drug deal. have fox news explain how their longtime contributor, the most hawkish conservative known to man sdrikz his foreign policy in exactly these terms. i think that is going to be a tipping point for the president and it's going to tip a few conservatives as well. >> then anne, if we see john bolton testify, how damning will that be for the president? we've seen over the last two days conservative media annihilate alexander vindman's record, which is ridiculous, given who he is. but the fact of the matter is, for most people across america, most of us sitting here, don't know who this guy is. we never heard of him until three days ago. john bolton, if he testifies, will be a completely different story. >> absolutely, stephanie. john bolton is someone who at this point, certainly everyone central to this set of issues knows -- everyon

he's a never-trumper. his lawyer is the head of the never-trumpers. they're a dying breed but they're still there. >> it was mike pompeo who asked mr. taylor to come out of retirement. nobody thinks of bill taylor was political at all. my question is will republicans on capitol hill get into the character assassination or will they stick to the process? they've been hesitant to attack folks like bill taylor and when you ask them about it, they go back to the process argument. but i will say on friday that argument was significantly undercut with the federal ruling in washington related to the mueller grand jury material where the judge said the house does not have to vote to be an impeachment inquiry. if speaker nancy pelosi says they are, they are. so republicans have been arguing the opposite, so it will be interesting to see how they counteract that when they come back tomorrow. >> there's also a sense that the white house felt that executive privilege pertained much more strongly to people who are not actually working for the president. the people

, they're basing all their game on you can't trust the whistle-blower because it might be a empty trumper or something and now we've got a witness to the conversation who complained in realtime. doesn't it knock all that stuff off the table as relevant? >> it certainly looks that way. you have now this lieutenant colonel who describes himself as getting a purple heart because he was serving his country and attacked and wounded. this is someone who understands serving your country. he's coming to the united states to say, look, i had a real problem with this and i went to this person twice and i heard this call and immediately thought this is not what we do, this is not in the national security interests of the united states. i think what you have are republicans really throwing a lot of things at the wall and hoping something will stick. you then before that had them saying the president never pressured ukraine, the call came out. then they said maybe ukraine didn't actually know what we were doing when we were holding up that money. so i think what republicans are doing now is really say

president trump described him is a never-trumper, said he didn't know him, said of never-trumper republicans, which there is no evidence that he is, mind you, that they are, quote, human scum. and about that language that was used by the president, we're hearing from stephanie grisham, the press secretary, who says they deserve that type of strong language. it's clear that the president, as best he can from behind closed doors here inside the west wing, is effectively trying to silence any criticism that may exist. but as you detailed with john thune and with others right now, you're starting to hear those alarm bells sounding, certainly cracks within the republican party. >> such an important point, peter. we're going to lighten things up for one moment for a very good cause before we go. can we please give it up to our hometown team, the washington nationals, since all of you are here in our hometown, we're just two wins away from their first ever world series title. the nats beat the astros in houston last night 12-3. they bring the world series back here to d.c. tomorrow night for game t

i mean, the president labeling the lieutenant colonel a never-trumper on twitter this morning. this is his top ukraine expert on his national security counsel. what does this say about the president's defense of himself right now? >> at this point, because you have so many of these officials within the president's own administration coming out and testifying to these things, that he thinks are damaging to him, he is basically labeling all of them as being never-trumpers, part of the deep state, part of some conspiracy, some grand conspiracy against them. the problem is, that all falls apart when you see that so many of these people came into the trump administration to serve undernowing how many other republicans refused to do those very things. bill taylor was recruited by mike pompeo to come into the trump administration. lieutenant colonel vindman is someone who has served this country in the armed forces and was so involved in the ukraine policy that he was sent as part of a delegation to ukraine earlier this year for the inauguration of president zelensky. so he is not jus

he calls him a never trumper.don't have any reason to believe he's a partisan against the president, do you? >> i really don't. >> do you think that's the right thing to say about a colonel who gave 20 years of his life to servicing his country in. >> i'm not here to defend the president and justify everything he tweets. if i did that, you and i would be would be here very often, every day. >> i invite you all the time, congressman. >> i'm just saying look, it's not my job to defend the president or his tweets. my job is just to find out the truth and to try to come on your show and other shows and tell people the truth. >> how at this point can you not see that something was done here that was wrong? i'm not saying it's worthy of impeach and wrong as in you wouldn't have done it. >> help me understand what specifically do you think was wrong? >> asking a foreign power to investigate a political opponent. >> oh, my gosh, chris, we do that all the time. >> really? >> attorney general barr is doing it right now. he'

he's a never-trumper. his lawyer is the head of the neve never-trumpers. they're dying but still there. >> the president stepping up his attacks now as the weeks could bring more peril. ordering the department of justice to hand over the material by october 30th, george howell also note, quote, even in cases of presidential eimpeachment a house resolution has never in fact been required to begin an impeach inquiry. according to the judge, no. meanwhile dprlgs testimo meanwhile congressional testimony in the inquiry picks up again. and nbc news has learned lawyers for former national security advisor john bolton have been in talks with house investigators for a possible interview. bolton left the administration back in september. he says he resigned. the president says he fired him. well, last week the president's former top advisor on russia and europe, fiona hill, testified that bolton was so disturbed by the trump administration's ukrainian efforts, he called it a drug deal. and next thursday investigators are scheduled to depose tim morrison, a national

never trumper. he was appointed by bush.hat trump can possibly make to defend his indefensible conduct. he has been caught dead to rights trying to use u.s. military aid to extort a foreign country into interfering in the u.s. election. that is impeachable conduct and trump has no defense and we know that because he keeps having a different story every day. >> he's saying he didn't pressure zelensky, but everything that's coming out show that doesn't appear to be true. >> we know he did. we saw it in the transcript of the phone call that he had with zelensky. and now we're seeing it in the testimony. >> is there a different transcript that republicans who are defending the president -- are there two different transcripts because the one that most people, you know, objective people read. >> right. >> shows that the president -- it actually says, i need you to do me a favor, though. >> i would like you to do us a favor, though. >> that's what a quid pro quo is. >> it lines up with the testimony of bill taylor, fiona hill, all

he said, last week, that never-trumpers were human scum. and now an iraq war veteran is being attacked by the president's closest allies. >> but with no evidence for taylor or for vindman. zero. >> right, no evidence at all. just because there is not a lot of substance to back up the claims that the president did nothing wrong or that the president is completely innocent and should be exonerated here, they are going for personal attacks. and a lot of times, those personal attacks have no evidence behind them. but it's clear that republicans are looking for something to grab hold on when it comes to defending the president, because it looks like the mounting evidence is stacking up against the president, not only are democrats saying that he did something wrong, but people close to the white house, people that worked for the president, career diplomats who were part of the government, who were a party to some of the things that the president were doing had firsthand knowledge about the president's conduct, are blowing the whistle and saying

trumper republicans, watch out for them. they are human scum. a west point graduate and president bush's ambassador was asked my mike pompeo to return to ukraine for the investigation and taylor directly contradicted the president's repeated assertion there was no quid pro quo who wanted a white house meeting and u.s. military aid taylor testifying he was told by another diplomat that president trump wanted ukraine's president, quote, in a public box by first announcin investigations into the bidens and the 2016 election. democrats calling the testimony damming. >> ambassador bill taylor testified and gave the most sweeping and devastating testimony about president trump's efforts to shake down the ukrainian government. repter: some republicans are pouncing after taylor testified that ukraine did not learn the aid was being with held until weeks after the july call between president trump and ukraine's president. >> neither he or any other witness has provided testimony that the ukrainians were aware that military aid was be

the president fed up with rino to never trumper so get this today.he never trumper republicans though not many left her in certain ways worse and more dangerous for country than the do-nothing democrats. watch out for them. they are human. our president nailing it to joining us former reagan white house political director "fox business" political analyst ed rollins. human those rhinos and never trumper's. eloquently spoken i thought. brought portman was the director director of omb. he knows what the regulatory stuff that goes through and what have you knows it's perfectly legal what the president did. my sense is every member should be on this list. i'm surprised that rob portman's name is odd because he's a rhino he finds an ambiguous path no matter how indelible the choices are. >> the fact that the money was withheld for brief period of time he understands that an it's very important to be in the list. lou: what about biden speaking of the budget. >> joe biden lived in scranton when he was 10 years old he moved out of their. lou: back home. >> he

he's a never-trumper. his lawyer is the head of the never-trumpers. they're a dying breed, but they're still there. >> the president stepping up his attacks now as the weeks could bring more peril. today a federal judge washington are ordered the justice department to have secret grand jury testimony from special counsel robert mueller's investigation, organized the department of justice to hand over the material by october 30th, george howell also note, quote, even in cases of presidential impeachment, a house resolution has never in fact been required to begin an impeach inquiry. there you go. there's an issue of process the republicans have been raising, need some sort of resolution. according to the judge, no. meanwhile congressional testimony in the inquiry picks up again. as investigators hear from philip reeker. and nbc news has learned lawyers for former national security advisor john bolton have been in talks with house investigators for a possible interview. bolton left the administration back in september. he says he resigned. the president

. >> he's a never trumper and his lawyer is a never trumper. >> while his lawyers are quiet on the evidence and make false claims of being shot out of hearings. >> maybe they do that in the soviet union, that's not acceptable to the united states of america. >> i'll talk to the chair, akeem jeffreys of new york. joining me for insight and analysis are, nbc news chief foreign correspondent andrea mitchell. foreign home secretary james johnston, amy walter, national editor of the cook report and lonnie chang. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is a special edition of "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. we have breaking news, commandos carried out a raid overnight in northern syria, along the border with turkey. president trump just said isis leader abu bakr al baghdadi is among the dead. the president made the announcement, himself, this morning. >> last night the united states brought the world's number one terrorist leader to justice. abu bakr al baghdadi is dead. he was the fou

because donald trump happened to say republican never trumperers are a bunch of scum.y god, my god! the president called the republicans of scum. stop and think what trump has been called. stop and think what you have been called. you are called a racist, sexist bigot homophobe for every day for 30 plus years! you been called all kinds of horrible rotten stuff every day by the media! the people you elect, the people you represent, donald trump has been called a traitor, he's been called a pig, he's been called an ogre. he calls people who betray him scum. "my god! the country may not" -- you see, in the normal ebb and flow of things, i can understand, i wish he hadn't said scum. but, folks, these are not normal times and i dare say that none of these people telling people how to act and trying to define standards of the quorum for him, i doubt any of them could tolerate over a week what he puts up with. >> sean: great point, rush. i will add one thing. they would help elect elizabeth warren type. good job, guys. mitt romney, where are you? everyone supported you. big n

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he's a never trumper and his lawyer is a never trumper. >> but there is no evidence that taylor, a vietnam veteran who served in both parties, actually is a never trumper. trump now blaming mike pompeo who recruited taylor to serve in ukraine. >> hey, everybody makes mistakes. mike pompeo, everybody makes mistakes. >> the president seems to bring up these issues everywhere, comparing his treatment to ways in which the criminal justice system disproportionately affects african-americans. >>> let's talk about these developments with our guest now, thomas schiff joins us now from university of london. that you can so much for joining us. >> good morning, natalie. >> good morning to you. let's again with the judge ruling the inquiry is legal. is this a setback for the president? >> well, it's certainly a setback for the president and i think this is a significant win for jerry in additionally and the doctors for at least two reasons. first, it may reveal important information that house democrats and the house judiciary in particular can use in marshalling the evidence for this case of impeach

he's a never trumper. the head of the never trumper. >> republicans standing by the president are arguing that taylor's testimony was a secondhand account. >> hearsay. but in the sense that it was passed on. it wasn't a direct conversation. >> republicans blasting the process that the house is under taking behind closed doors. even though almost 50 republican members across the three committees are deposing witnesses. >> we'll go in there and figure out what's going on. >> house republicans held a protest this week. two dozen members pushing their way into the secure room. when the house intelligence committee meets to deal with sensitive and highly classified information. >> what's happening here is now fair. >> rudy giuliani is searching for his own defense lawyer. prosecutors in new york investigate his business dealings in ukraine. and try to unravel his connection to the two men. two of giuliani's soeshlts who were charged with campaign finance related charges both pleading not guilty on wednesday. >>