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i think he believes that by being the trumpiest trumper, that donald will protect him. so the answer would be yes, i think that it is a bad decision on his part, again being the trumpiest trumper, he thinks that donald will protect him and not throw him under the bus. the benefit for someone like walt nada is the fact that he has the example of michael cohen to look at. he is the example of rudy giuliani. he has a example of half a dozen other people, including people like stewart rhodes, who got an 18 year sentence, what happened to donald taking care of them? what happened to donald paying their legal fees? in fact, tomorrow, i am back in court for pretrial conference on legal fees where i am suing donald in order to recover. that is after four and a half years. >> you are suing the trump organization for those legal fees? do you think that walt nada should learn? >> i think he probably should. history repeats itself and in this specific case, one thing we know for certain is that donald does not pay legal fees. donald doesn't pay fees at all. >> the other side of tha

foreign policy and doj, they're all trumpers.ceived by the country? >> one of the strokes of genius of the january 6th committee was how absolutely firm and resolute they were in presenting witnesses who were republicans and pro-trump acolytes who had rushed to work for him. the list you gave included several. the witnesses that they presented testified about their horror about what happened on january 6th, the horror at realizing that the president of the united states was not going to try to stop or influence in any way a bloody insurrection at the capitol that left his vice president, lawmakers and just regular congressional staffers running for their lives. you will remember the amazing testimony of numerous witnesses, most of them televised or video taped. pat cipollone who wanted desperately to be donald trump's white house counsel, wanted to help him deliver on his platforms, his policies. pat cipollone realized donald trump didn't have a platform, didn't have policies. what he had was a desire to basically stay in power.

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. >> laura: as i document on the angle, democrats don't care, moderate republicans, never trumpers, they don't care. the press doesn't seem toir ca. right on cue, john, moments before we went to air tonight, the doj sent a letter to chairman jim jordan offering testimony and public hearing of david weiss, the u.s. attorney who led the hunter biden probe. john, after everything we've heard from the whistleblowers, what do you think the key question will be for weiss to answer? obviously, whether he thought he had the authority to appoint a special attorney in this case. >> john: yeah, with the fd-1023, whether corroborated or not, what did you do to further investigate? did you have the confidential human source? did you try to have him record conversations with checkski? did you offer million dollars to corroborate, like you did with the steele dossier? if the answer to that is well, we didn't, what that tells you, the fbi and department of justice didn't want to find more evidence and if that is the case, there is no prosecutorial discretion in play. that is obstruction of justice and p

all trumpers. and he's going to be charged for some of the most serious crimes in america, and his response? his response, instead of talking to his lawyers saying, hey. get me a deal. i don't know what it's going to look like, but get me a deal. because they've got me dead. my own people are people testifying against me. get me a deal. instead of that he goes on an iowa radio show and like a mobster threatens jack smith. has he not looked at pictures of jack smith? this guy looks like the judge on "andor" all right? >> yes, yes. >> he looks like the guy who takes the good guy from the "star wars" galaxy and throws him into jail for life. he doesn't understand. i'm scared. you just scared me by putting this picture up. like what does he think? does he think jack smith is going to be intimidated by mob-like threats, gene? >> yeah. and that's not going to happen. looks like a, jack smith, looks like a pretty intense guy and like he's not going to take any of this from donald trump. i think trump just

the so-called moderate republicans, the never trumpers, they don't care.he press doesn't seem to care. but, right on cue, john, just moments before we went to air tonight, the doj sent a letter to chairman jim jordan offering the testimony in a public hearing of david weiss. the u.s. attorney who led the hunter biden probe. john, ever everything we heard from the whistleblowers what do you think the key question will be for weiss to answer obviously whether he thought he had the authority, correct, to appoint a special attorney in this case? >> yeah. so, the key question for me, laura is okay, with this fd-23. even whether it was additionally corroborated or not, what did you do to further investigate did you have the confidential human source? did you try to have him record conversations with chefs ski. did you offer a million dollars to corroborate details like you did with the steele dossier? what investigative steps were taken and if the answer to that, laura, is well, we didn't, then what that tells you is that the fbi and the departments of justice d

like deplorables who won in 2016, they had to weaponize their selel rite to marginalize trumpers, normalizedation to millions, which is what hitler did. i can be liberal, too. even if you don't respect the man in office, you respect the office of president. i respect the office of president, even though joe biden is forgetting he's in it. remember the time joe tried to shake hands with me? ♪ [applause] >> greg: well, at least i was there in spirit. jack, quit acting like a mean girl and get back to the music. i heard your most recent stuff, ugh. recent stuff ♪ seven nation army couldn't hold me back. they're going to rip it off? taking their time right behind my back. seven nation army. [booing] >> greg: nice. better than his older stuff. [cheering] >> here he is. >> greg: welcome tonight's guest. she has eight points on her license for talking too fast, host emily compagno. and award-winning comedian kirk metzger. the doctor has to put the blood pressure cuff around her waist, fox news contributor kat timpf and at the jim, his spotters need spotters, my massive sidekick, tyrus. [applause]

. >> trump is getting republicans firmly in his camp the question will come down to ients trumpers willer vote for. >> i am vote for bad policy under biden administration before voting for trump. >> i think key to no labels i have said on my slow for weeks now if no labels can get a couple thousands in each of the swing states to peel away from i am never voting for trump but biden has ruined my life, those individuals will make all the difference in this election, because, they could swing the election, in those key swing states to donald trump. and propel him in the white house. >> candidate? >> mansion didn't discount it -- >> i revealed the story a couple times now on show i was at party one of the manchin people said you are not going to believe with schumer said he said get it out of your headed that joe manchin is running get it out of your headed. joe biden is the guy democratic leadership doesn't want anybody in the way of joe biden. >> there are enough antiretroactiveers to your point looking for any person if not no lainls person can go to biden if a no labels person regardle

superior to those deplorables who won in 2016 that they had to weaponize their celebrity to marginalize trumpers normalized degradation to millions which is what hitler did. i can be a line ra too. even if you don't respect the man in the office you're allowed to respect the office of the president, it's all part of growing up. for example i still respect the office of president even though joe biden keeps forgetting he's in it. hey remember the time they tried to shake hand with me? well, at least i was there in spirit. so, jack, quit acting like a mean girl and get back to the music. i just heard some of your more recent stuff. ughh. >> i'm going to fight 'em all, a seven nation army couldn't hold me back. they're going to rip it -- off? take you there time right behind my back. seven nation army! [boos] >> greg: nice. better than his older stuff. >> period! >> greg: let's welcome tonight's guest. she has eight points on her license for talking too fast. host of the fox true climb podcast, emily compagno! [cheers and applause] >> greg: don't you dare applaud him he's frightened by unfamiliar s

i'm not a trumper, trust me. >> is bidenomics working for you?if i was getting root canal, yeah. but, no. inflation is kicking everybody's [bleep] right now. >> my plan to build an economy from the middle out and the bottom up and i think it's working. i think it's working. >> it's pretty bad, you know. can't get any worse right now. [laughter] >> ain't seen nothing yet. >> he has totally drained the economy. >> how do you think the economy is serve, the middle class right now? >> i think the economy does not searchserve the middle class ev. i think that the middle class always suffer. unfortunately the middle class kind of gets the [bleep] end of the stick. >> everything has gone to the [bleep]. you know. everything has gone up. prices have gone up. crime is on the rise. it's just the worst economy in the world. >> laura: well, we know bidenomics isn't working for you. but how is it working out for the bidens? our video break down in moments. plus, the media blackout of the explosive grassley letter detailing those potential biden family member

it may fly within that small classified circle of the trumpers who want to believe that somehow joe biden was involved in nefarious dealings, but there is no evidence. and believe me, if there was evidence, durham, who is left in place by biden, would've found it. and certainly weiss, who was left in place by president biden, would have found it. and i do not believe for a minute that either one of those federal prosecutors that have the resources of doj at their disposal would have found evidence if it was there, if it would've shown any problem of joe biden. 's so this is a dogs it won't hunt. they have selective amnesia, by the way. they have selective amnesia. i can make a strong argument politically that the only reason don trump's president is because of doj, and them in appropriately issuing a letter ten days before the election about hillary clinton's emails. i don't think he would've gotten elected without it. >> you wouldn't be the only want to make that argument. a dog that won't hunt, i love that phrase, love a good claire mccaskill-ism. join thank you for joining me with your

so, these are not people who were never trumpers.e who were with him up until the very bitter end and they got to the point, as bill barr did, where their view was, okay, even i can't go this far on behalf of this corrupt president. so there test was gonna be important. i hope jack smith, and i believe in jack smith, that he will get them especially cipollone to answer questions he would not answer for the very sixth committee. he would walk up to conversations he had with donald trump, but wouldn't describe most of those conversations. we didn't have that time or the enforcement ability to compel him to do so. i hope that the special counsel -- >> yes, he would claim a kind of nonexistent executive privilege over these conversations, with you -- >> oh, yes. and you know what's more? we've seen judges like judge carter out in california, who pierced the attorney client privilege. we saw that again with the judge in florida for different reasons. you cannot use that privilege to hide criminal activity. and i would hope that the specia

they've become these trumpers have become these authoritarians have become everything that they hatedhat we've seen is trump consolidate power in the republican party. he tried to install loyalists, which is what we saw with the senate races, right? he put his people in. a lot of his people could not get elected. herschel walker. i mean, the very few -- j. d. vance, right, in ohio, in the really red state of ohio managed to get elected. >> dr. oz got elected -- await, i'm sorry. the gubernatorial government we -- didn't work either, did it? >> he's trying to consolidate power and it hasn't worked because trumpism doesn't scale. now we are going to see if he can win back the white house. >> trumpism doesn't scale. that's a perfect way to put it. molly, thank you so much for joining us. greatly appreciated. with jen and eddie, stick around, we will be right back. we will take you behind the scenes of christopher nolan's oppenheimer, a film that will be the summer's biggest blockbuster. it has an extra double -- matt damon, emily blunt, robert downey jr., and we have them all here. befor

the real issue is can he get close to trumper beat him in iowa?ve on and stave off the idea that if trump crushes everybody in race is over you got to get it down to a two person race fast. if you don't it won't matter, it will be hard to win. >> i have one thing to piggyback on that analysis. there is one person in this race that if they stay close to donald trump in iowa they have an opportunity and i think that is tim scott. >> more so the ron desantis. >> i think of donald trump wins iowa by 5-6-7-8 points, let's say he only wins by that much, the race is over. however, i think if tim scott stays within that five-point margin then the ability for tim scott to go into homes, the ability for him to say i am a confident conservative, i am the only united states senator running with a 97% voted with donald trump record. i am a christian conservative and stand for these things. he goes in the household of new hampshire and does really well and then comes back to south carolina. he and nikki haley are coming up to the same 10%, i do think he has the

klan mom was busy defending the storm trumpers on oan, and while she was at it, took time to make a ratherutlandish claim about nancy pelosi. >> so everything is completely out of control. not only do we have the d.c. jail, which is the d.c. gulag, now we have nancy pelosi's gazpacho police. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: that's right. if you've got cold soup, you better watch it because nancy pelosi's coming for it! [ laughter ] these must be the soup nazis seinfeld warned us about. [ laughter ] if the gazpacho police get hold of you, they'll throw you right in the goulash! [ laughter ] so be very careful. there are a lot of characters on this team trump. many of them are still trying to undo the election. trump's new spokesmonster is a woman named liz harrington, who told steve bannon we're gonna be hearing about this for a long time. >> the main point right now is this is not going away and it's never going to go away until we get the correct result and fix our elections. and it's just that simple. >> jimmy: yeah. that's what the lady at the supercuts told you when she cut those bangs. [ laught

and many groups across the political spectrum, from never trumper full comes to moderate democrats, tol calling them out, the lincoln project is taking as usual tip of the spear on this thing. this is the first of a series of ads, and we are calling on no levels to immediately stop this dangerous action. which will reelect donald trump. >> so, talk to me a little bit about the ad buy here. what states is gonna run? and how much money are you guys throwing at this? but also, you mention that, go ahead. >> we are initially starting this in washington, d.c.. frankly the main audience of no labels right now is the national press corp the main audience of no labels are people who are advising megadonor's. you want to make sure that they understand that they are not buying into the problem solvers caucus. or some of the centrist fantasy. they are buying into the reelection donald trump. >> they are making a very clear to folks, particularly in the beginning of this campaign. in the press, and the second wave of this is gonna be even more direct about the ties between the republican party and

but democrats and anti-trumpers say that a third party could just end up playing spoiler in all of thisng votes from president biden in swing states and therefore handing the election to donald trump. joining us now is a long-time association of no labels, the former michigan republican congressman fred upton. i know you told me not to call you congressman. so, let's talk about this group, no labels. "the wall street journal" is writing in its latest report, it's called no labels, but many political strategists have their own label, spoiler. is no labels going to end up being a spoiler? >> no, i don't think so. no labels has been around since about 2008 or '09. it was very involved be the problem solvers caucus, which is a house caucus, which was a vice chair of. it's an equal number of republicans and democrats. you had josh gottheimer and brian fitzpatrick on a number of times. this is a little larger group, bipartisan, bicameral. and they've been until now very focused on the issues. actually they still are. whether it was the debt ceiling, immigration, you know, keeping the governme

the democrats and anti trumpers say that a third party could just end up playing spoiler in all of this by siphoning votes from president biden in swing states and, therefore, handing the election to donald trump. joining us now is a longtime associate of no labels, former michigan republican congressman, fred upton. i know you told me not to call you congressman. let's talk about this group, no labels. as the wall street journal is, riding its latest report says, it's called no labels, many political strategist have their own label, spoiler. it's no labels going to be ending up as a spoiler? >> no, i don't think so. no labels has been around since 2008 or 2009. it was very involved with -- a house caucus, which i was a vice chair of. the comember of republicans and democrats. you -- had and fitzpatrick. on a number of times, 55 to 60 members. this is a little larger group, bipartisan, bicameral. until now they've been very focused on the issue and they still are. it says the debt ceiling, immigration. they're keeping the government open, a whole bunch of chips fell, infrastructure. now

message sinking in with perspective voters or are they just hearing trump is being attacked by never trumpersnow, and digging in their heels. >> i think it's the latter, katie, based on a 30 point lead that donald trump has overrun desantis, and that translates in most of the early primary states. i think what you are seeing, and you see donald trump despite all of the crazy that you heard in that clip returning to a theme that got him to the white house in 2016 which is economic populism. angry economic populism and even though you prefer trump it was laced and xenophobia and, racism, and the diverse economy is going to take away your privilege in your place in society, donald trump is pursuing a message of economic populism, and the reason rhonda scent is continues to trail is because he's not competing on that field he is trying to make this about cultural populism, about this war on woke, and frankly cultural populism is showing that it is a lower ceiling in terms of how far rhonda sanders can go with republican voters that donald trump's economic populism. rhonda scent is his off message

major republican donor, but anti-trumper. >> it stirs some anxieties in the donor class, those who are straddling between that word with the koch brothers and other interests and the trump community, if you will. so you have that sort of tension. in terms of the base, this ad will mean very little. it will do very little. if nothing else, it solidifies more around trump. it sets up what a lot of those maga heads believe is this sort of anti-establishment us versus them kind of mind-set. this, you know, furthers that thinking, and you'll see it play out as the lead-in says where, you know, candidates out there trying to get cash and support and it's fractured and spread out, and it's not as concentrated as it once was. and so now they have to work harder to find those dollars. >> it's interesting because in the same respect as we're having this conversation about swing state voters essentially or swing state republicans, i should say, being left effectively broke as they're reporting, right, we are also having conversations about the former president fund-raising in record numbers after

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you could win over some trumpers that are like, i like his policies. but mike pence is trying to walk a line, trying to please. you can't walk a line with donald trump. you're in or you're out. there's no 50%. >> congressman, elie, thank you both for joining me tonight. >>> coming up, a deeply partisan defense bill has passed in the house with divisive social issues like abortion attached that is setting up a showdown in the senate and once again putting the u.s. military smack dab in the middle of a political war. >>> plus police say they have caught a serial killer here in new york wanted for more than a decade. the multiple clues that helped lead them to the architect now under arrest. except the hours that you're sleeping. so why d do we leave so much untapped potential on the table? this is a next level bed, for a next l level you. my circadian rhythm is kicking your circadian rhythms butt! it's not a competition. i know, but i'm still winning! so, it is a competition. the queen sleep number 360 c2 smart bed is now only $899. shop now only at slee

and the attack prompted a state of emergency and the city's website had to be shut down and fix trumpers. michael thomas is live in hayward with where that stands this morning. michael. >> yeah, good morning, everyone. you know, they're still recovering and trying to figure out what's next. essentially everything for the most part is up and running and then declaring a state of emergency is really just to give them more access to really kind of get everything back on track. let's get video as a break. it all down. now. tonight's meeting will be in person only and it comes just days after that cyberattack here in the city of hayward which case intruders attempted to disrupt and hold hostage parts of the city's computer systems and networks. now, according to officials with the city, they do say that no one's personal information was hacked and that most things were fixed tuesday, but that excludes some of their city website links. it essentially lead you to a dead end. now. >> as i mentioned earlier, them declaring the state of emergency is really going to allow them to have executive dec

a lot of us, but is this message stinking in with chris back to voters, or they just -- by never trumpersased on the 30 point lead that ron -- don trump has overrun desantis. that translates over the primary states. what you're seeing, and you see donald trump despite all of the crazy that you heard in that clip, returning to a theme that got him to the white house in 2016, which is economic populism, angry economic populism. even though for trump it was laced in's enough will be a and racism, and a diverse economy is going to take away your privilege and your place in society. donald trump is pursuing a message of economic populism. the reason that ron desantis continues to trail is that he is not competing on that field. he is trying to make this about cultural populism, about this war on woke. frankly, cultural populism is showing that it has a lower ceiling in terms of how far rhonda sanchez can go with republican voters than donald trump's economic populism. ron desantis's message in, coming off the worst week of his campaign, he has to retool his entire platform if he thinks that he

back in 19 oh victor trumper back in 19 oh victor trumper back in 19 oh victor trumper back in 1902. such a quick century, the fastest century. he hit headingley was ian botham back in 1981. and that was that legendary headingley test out where things turned around in the ashes. >> certainly there. >> certainly there. >> so who knows how we're going to go. so we're 195 runs behind, to go. so we're195 runs behind, seven wickets in hand. jonny bairstow making sure he won't get run out this time. but honestly, it's all hanging by a thread. so this is only after day one. it won't go five days, but excited about that one. but very excited about that one. so yes, british prix. so i so yes, british grand prix. so i mentioned british brownite mentioned the british brownite grand prix. on i did. i did grand prix. oh yes, i did. i did have some messages saying you've done there's 40,000 done the sport. there's 40,000 people silverstone today and people at silverstone today and you mentioned it very you haven't mentioned it very upset because you don't want to upset because you don't want to up

all these never-trumpers working full-time in the prosecutor's office to get trump, because they couldn't because they had nothing after all these years. can you believe it how do you like my life? you think i have a good time actually, i guess there is something going on, because i do have a good time >> seth: i'm not sure you do have a good life if you did, i don't think you'd have to drag your supporters out twice a week to clap for you like some kind of geriatric tinker bell. "folks, if you clap for me, i'll come back to life, and we'll put hillary in jail for the computer thing, if you only believe." he sounds like the guy who insists he has a great marriage but also thinks we should start doing poker night twice a week but, yes, i agree, there's something going on in fact, my guess? that's the official medical diagnosis from looking at a cat scan of your brain "well, mr. trump, i've looked over the images. there is no easy way to say this there's something going on." "my last doctor didn't see anything." "is that the same doctor who said you were in great shape?" "what's your point

and i'm not a trumper. trust me. is biden nomics working for you? yes. if i was getting roo rt canat cc maybe. >> but now inflation's kicking. everybody'kings right? >> my plan to build an economy from the middle out and the bottom up. >> and i think it's working. >>think it's working i b. >> it's pretty bad, you know? can't get any wors e right now. econom >> ain't seen nothing yet. he's totally drained the economy. y.the econ is serhow do you think the econt is serving the middle class right now? >> i think the economy doech tht serve the middle class ever. i think that the middle always suffer. so unfortunately, the middle unfortunlasss kind of gets the f the stick. >> everything's gonee. >> you know, everything's gone up. prices have gone up. e wo crime is on the rise. it's just the worseconomy t econ the world. >> well, w knoe know biden nomio isn't working for you, but how is it working out forus, th bidens? our video breakdown in moments. plus, the media blackoutackout a the explosive grassley letter detailing those potential biden family member b

earlier you made a comment about never trumpers voters in georgia and arizona as it was a vote against we also have found out that a number of voters had they known about the laptop they never would have voted for biden. do you think that would be enough to swing the vote back to trump? host: edward, stay on the line while we get the answer. guest: to answer your question directly, i think that without question the issue you are referencing is one that conservatives are arguing ought to be further explored. i think now as we enter into a new race and a new presidential cycle, it is one that is going to come up. i cannot predict the future of how the voters are going to vote in 2024, but you had asked the question and there other people who are asking and likely when the question get asked is going to demand an answer from the reelection campaign. there denied any wrongdoing. but republicans have argued there are more questions than -- that need to be asked. as it relates to independent voters, when i said they are divided right now, perhaps i should have been more specific. leadership

earlier you made a comment about never trumpers voters in georgia and arizona as it was a vote against we also have found out that a number of voters had they known about the laptop they never would have voted for biden. do you think that would be enough to swing the vote back to trump? host: edward, stay on the line while we get the answer. guest: to answer your question directly, i think that without question the issue you are referencing is one that conservatives are arguing ought to be further explored. i think now as we enter into a new race and a new presidential cycle, it is one that is going to come up. i cannot predict the future of how the voters are going to vote in 2024, but you had asked the question and there other people who are asking and likely when the question get asked is going to demand an answer from the reelection campaign. there denied any wrongdoing. but republicans have argued there are more questions than -- that need to be asked. as it relates to independent voters, when i said they are divided right now, perhaps i should have been more specific. leadership

my point is i'm not coming down here to south carolina as some never trumper. i worked hard to get them elected in 2016. i work hard every day to make him the best president he possibly could be for all of us and supported a lot of policies. he failed us. he failed us. he said he was going to repeal and replace obamacare. with a republican congress, he didn't get it done. remember this 1 -- he was going to build a big, beautiful wall across the entire border of mexico and mexico was going to pay for it. let me tell you what happened after four years -- you can go on the homeland security website and see for yourself. for years come he built 52 miles of new wall. 52 miles and by the way, we are still waiting for mexico to pay for that. not a nickel for mexico to pay for it. if you do the math in your head, building the wall at that pace, he would have to be president for another 110 years to get the entire walden. -- walt done. he said i will balance the budget and for years because i'm a businessman and i know how to balance budgets. he had a $6 trillion debt h

for any trumpers saying, oh, my god, they're talking about how we may need to take a rest every once in a while, please, you're talking about donald trump who did nothing but sit in his office and watch cable news all day. the executive time, well, i'm sure we can go to mar-a-lago and he has them shoved in drawers, all of his stuff. but, gene, let me just say, if we were talking about style over substance, that would be one thing. we're talking about matching reality with perception. >> yeah. >> bill clinton had a great saying, if a turtle shows up on top of a fence post, it didn't get there by accident. nato did not expand -- >> exactly. >> -- to historic lengths and have -- by accident. it was joe biden, along with his equal partners, that masterminded this. nato allies will tell you they look to america for leadership. he did this. history will record this, whether idiots on the right trump online want to admit it or not. history is going to report this. this is pretty remarkable. you look at the economy exploding. just like obama rightfully got credit, along with bush at the end

that is, this is a guy who understands, let me say the word because it triggers trumpers.there was such arrogance from trumpers, such arrogance from donald trump that that would never happen, he would never be held accountable, justice would never find its way to him. perhaps, perhaps, who knows, maybe a judge will decide she's going to help him anyway she can. who knows? but at the very least, he's actually going to be held to account to speak for his actions. so many people who followed him, so many people who gave so much money to him, so many people who gave so much of their lives to him now rotting in jail, because as they said, they followed his lead. let's bring the acting state attorney where donald trump lives, palm beach county, florida, dave aronberg. dave, donald trump suspects and so do we that an indictment is coming very soon. what are you thoughts about this pretty jolting breaking news? >> yeah, joe. i don't think it's too surprising because you could tell, as you said, the walls have been closing in. the special prosecutor has been subpoenaing members of

and then you never trumpers.if you are someone, if you are an elected republican who has been loyal to donald trump, and you watch what went down for lindsey graham this weekend in district, what the lesson is to you. the bar on loyalty is continually shifting, or it's impossible to clear, that donald trump himself, even when you were fully loyal to him can't give a full-throated endorsement where he says no, no, no, no, no, no. we don't boo this guy. heavy wasn't even willing to put his neck out there for him. >> no, i think that's exactly right. it is all or nothing in terms of trump loyalty. and you see that. even in the 10 or 12 house members that either voted to impeach, or trump came out for a primary opponent and they lost, their voting records. even liz cheney's voting record was in the 90 percentile consistent with donald trump, but that wasn't good enough. there is this fault line that if you're not with trump all the time, you're gone. i think jennifer has it exactly right. the reason lindsey graham go

you are a trumper, or just santos, you like aoc or nancy pelosi.here is no nuance in the conversation, but as a host you have to pick a side and go for it which is what i tried to do. do i always get it right? no, and the listeners send me emails and that is ok. host: the radio station is kwam. ben deeter talking about us. what is your favorite part of hosting the morning and your least favorite part of doing the morning drive? guest: i will start with the least favorite part, heading up in the morning. it is a morning show, you have to be up at 4:00 in the morning and it has not gotten easier, i will be honest, but the listeners make it worth it. i am not just saying that. i know that you had some callers on your program, that is what makes news talk so excited -- exciting. it is not a monologue, yes i talked -- i start the show talking, that i go into a back-and-forth that is typically lively with a listener. it feels like i can do some news and break some headlines but i can also talk to my friends, which are the folks that are in the city of me

that do not agree with jim jordan, that do not agree with matt gaetz, that do not agree with the trumper'speople, like liz cheney and people in the lincoln project are never heard from on those cable news channels. i do sometimes see them on the c-span programs which is nice and i appreciate that. host: the new york times picks up a story coming out of georgia. a democrat representing georgia affected to the republican party , saying she was subject to a campaign of intimidation from allies after breaking with them on school vouchers. she announced she was switching parties during a news conference . she is the first black woman to hold office in georgia state. director of the georgia house republican caucus. more from that in the new york times. we will hear from gilbert in alabama. host: i would like to reiterate the fact that the fbi, the same fbi that thought dr. king was a communist and i watched the hearing thoroughly. it is a said they when the director of the fbi is willing to sacrifice what is left of the credibility of the fbi for the defense of the president son. it is a sad day

you are a trumper, or just santos, you like aoc or nancy pelosi.here is no nuance in the conversation, but as a host you have to pick a side and go for it which is what i tried to do. do i always get it right? no, and the listeners send me emails and that is ok. host: the radio station is kwam. ben deeter talking about us. what is your favorite part of hosting the morning and your least favorite part of doing the morning drive? guest: i will start with the least favorite part, heading up in the morning. it is a morning show, you have to be up at 4:00 in the morning and it has not gotten easier, i will be honest, but the listeners make it worth it. i am not just saying that. i know that you had some callers on your program, that is what makes news talk so excited -- exciting. it is not a monologue, yes i talked -- i start the show talking, that i go into a back-and-forth that is typically lively with a listener. it feels like i can do some news and break some headlines but i can also talk to my friends, which are the folks that are in the city of me

. >> 5% to 6% of those never trumpers, he needs them to propel to victory.ome down to a hundred thousand votes in pennsylvania and wisconsin the end of the day. the way jon meacham is framing the way the narrative should be, are you going to vote for an insurrectionist? are you anti-constitution? it's the framing democrats should adopt. right now, i see republicans who are creating narratives. they're creating narratives about a biden crime family, narratives about a stolen election. they're creating narratives that just aren't being combatted with the same strength because democrats are talking about policy, which i love policy. but if you want to win, you've got to talk about where the conversation is. >> all right. jon meacham, thank you so much for being on this morning. we appreciate it. >>> coming up on "morning joe," a look inside the house gop's plan to go after fbi and the doj. our next guest reports it goes far beyond just trying to impeach attorney general merrick garland. >>> speaking of house republicans, still not clear where marjorie taylor gr