the reason why trumpka is so upset is because he realized it's not just conservatives and republicans that don't like unions. it's all of america. i mean scott walker won. he beat the unions in a state. that's not a conservative state. i think they're scared. in terms of scott walker's record i mean jess is making it sound like he is awful. in 2011 they had over 11 had% employment. now it's at 4.6. i think he is doing a really good job, and i'm glad to see he is putting the state on a fiscally sustainable path. >> gee, i don't know. boy. he beat the unions. maybe he beat isis and al qaeda. we're not getting that -- maybe he said something stupid like that. you know what americans are very concerned about income inequality about the fact that wages aren't rising and guess what. america's unions are the ones that created the american middle class. they stand for what americans are talking about at home. >> quick thought. >>.ub public sector it's quite recent. it's only after kennedy signed legislation in the 1960s that you really saw the public expand and why not? you get higher wages,

trumpka the head of the afl/cio to discuss their concerns our mutual interests and i will say when i get out in the field, this is somewhat inconsistent with the portrayal that you've just described of our employees they are so proud of the work they do and they are so proud of being able to focus on criminal convicted aliens and removing them from the country.and they go about their business in a very efficient and good way and they take pride in that. and i just want to mention that to you, because that is a fact. i mean that is what i've seen as i've traveled across the country. >> well, i believe the facts show that this administration in a host of ways has failed to take strong action to help those officers do their duty and comply with their oath. mr. rodriguez on the secretary jeh johnson your supervisor he testified recently before the house and you said that comprehensive immigration reform, had it passed we would know who the criminal aliens are. but that's not so well said because i don't think anyone who has a criminal warrant out for them or who has a history of criminal