trump, donald trump jr., eric trump, allen weisselberg, or trump controller jeffrey meycconnie are canceled. to put that in laymans terms for now the trump organization effectively has an out of order sign hanging on it at least in terms of its businesses in new york state, which again in this moment, at this hour is a fairly staggering development for the man whose entire reputation is built on histi alleged business acumen. it's also not all that this judge has decided. because of this order several of the crown jewels in trump's real estate empire, the properties upon which he built his brand, those propertieshi are now in limbo. the precise impact of today's ruling has yet to be seen, but trump could lose control of properties including trump park avenue, which is his lux clear sky creper in manhattan's lennox neighborhood, control of wall street, the historic tower trump owns. he could lose control of his seven springs golf club in bedford, new york, even his apartment in trump tower, the guilded bunker in which he'd sought refuge in new york city, trump could lose control of that. may

barbara, can donald trump and the trump organization survive this ruling? >> no, i've been asked that question so many times. logically, no. it doesn't look like it. somehow, he pulls things out of the air. i don't think that the trump organization is going to survive this one. but, you never know. >> you were in charge of the construction of trump tower, that iconic building in new york. the judge says that trumps xxx apartment in trump tower was overvalued by 100 and 14 to 200 and $7 million due to trump saying that the apartment was three times its size. does that surprise you at all? >> no. absolutely not. because he says -- anything about trump tower was a big blown apply. -- get the highest numbers. anything was incorrect. it was just whatever he thought he could get away with. and he could get away with anything. >> did you see evidence of these kinds of deceptive practices when you were a part of the trump organization? >> yeah. i did. but it's kind of like a different -- it wasn't on a level of criminality or -- crimes that he's done, it was more l

when i talked to trump advisers, they say it's critical for trump in 2024. the group of voters and the state of michigan helped deliver the white house to trump in 2016 then helped deliver the white house to biden in 2020. trump wants to get those voters back so he's coming here tonight. there are signs across the room that say union members for trump. they have stressed the fact there will be union members here. i'm waiting to talk to some of them later to see what brought them here. we know those union leaders, they believe trump is pro business, not pro labor and not pro union. >> kristen holmes, thank you so much for that. let's discuss this with our political experts and our analysts. da david, trump skipping the debate tonight. in our cnn poll of polls, he's dominated by more than 40 points with 58% to just 15% for his closest rival. given that, what is the significance of tonight? >> his lead increased after not showing up at the first debate. so i think from that, the trump team said maybe it's okay that we can skip out on the debates but i don't thi

donald trump.gic sauce, with this key part of the electorate that he does. and thus, they are saddled with him. for the time being. tim miller, my friend, thank you for closing out this friday night with me. i appreciate your time and wisdom. as always. >> thanks, alex. >> that is our show for this evening, now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell on a friday night, america, good evening, lawrence. >> alex, don't act so surprised. >> [laughter] -- it's enthusiasm. it is not surprise, it is excitement for lawrence o'donnell on a friday night at ten. >> it's a five-day work week around here for -- >> for you. for you. >> thank you, alex. thank you. in a motion filed under seal, weeks ago, and released publicly today by the judge in the case of the united states of america versus donald j trump, special prosecutor, jack smith, asked the judge to issue

, donald trump jr., eric trump, former trump organization cfo allen weisselberg, in trump's aviationontroller jeffrey mcconney. cancel. to put that in layman's terms, for now, the trump organization effectively has an outdoor order sign hanging on. at least in terms of its businesses in new york state. which, again, in this moment, at this hour, is a fairly staggering development for the man whose entire reputation was built on his alleged business acumen. it is also not at all that this judge has decided. because of this order, several of the crown jewels in trump's real estate empire, the properties upon which he built his brand, those properties are now in limbo. the precise impact of today's ruling has yet to be seen. trump could lose control of properties including trump park avenue, which is his luxury skyscraper in manhattan's lenox hill neighborhood, he could lose control of 40 wall street, the historic tower trump owns in the financial district. he can lose control of his seven springs golf club in bedford, new york. even his apartment in trump tower, the gilded bunker, and

donald trump is a part _ through donald trump? donald trump is a part of— through donald trump?t of this, right. l trump is a part of this, right. he's ahead in the polls. and he is having counterprogramming but i think with this, especially for democratic voters and republican voter, he he no longer thinks that he should have to earn your vote. that should be owe fencive to us as voters. we want it hear him answerfor the us as voters. we want it hear him answer for the questions and answerfor their him answer for the questions and answer for their past. if donald trump was president for four years and has a lot to answer for. four years and has a lot to answerfor. and four years and has a lot to answer for. and voters four years and has a lot to answerfor. and voters need those answers and they won't get it if he's going to hide away from the debate stage. brakkton, this debate was a lot livelier than the one we saw in milwaukee?— livelier than the one we saw in milwaukee? ., . , milwaukee? yeah, much fiestier amon: all milwaukee? yeah, much fiestier among all of— milwaukee? ye

i know trump pretty well.ent, and he's got a decent chance of it, by next year, by the november of 2024, i think the ukrainians are going to have major battlefield success. president trump's not going to pull the...victory...defeat from the jaws of victory. i'm very confident that the republican senate will support a supplemental. the point you make is legitimate. i think there are people in europe that... like the germans. how does this end? let me tell you how... but in a sense, what i'm most interested in is the impact this debate inside your party is having on vladimir putin. to quote dan fried — a respected former us ambassador — he says, "putin thinks he can outlast the americans because he thinks political support for ukraine will be compromised if donald trump wins." well, he's made a series of miscalculations. that would be one of them. we're not going to pull the plug on ukraine. we're going to continue to support the ukrainian efforts to evict the russians. putin's made the blunder of the 21st centu

is trump tower actually part of the trump organization, or is it separate?it's owned by one of the trump llcs. it's this gigantic yarn ball of llcs that have some real assets and some aren't. remember, trump tower is mostly condominiums. he doesn't know knows anymore. he controls a commercial space on the few first few floors. he doesn't even own the land under the building. for reputational reasons it's very valuable to him but it's not his most valuable new york property. it hasn't been for sometime. but collectively everything that he owns in amounts to his most, the most significant component of his wealth is represented by several buildings in new york and another one in california. so if you have to sell these things under a fire sale situation, in which a court of telling him he have to get rid of his assets because he is a fraud and he is a serial grift or, that is real financial pain for him. and i think that that is going to be the hardest thing for him to deal with, beyond just the finances. i don't think the court penalty for damages here is goin

. >> no trump, no problem. some of his republican rivals took shots at him anyway. >>> plus, we are starting date, really the night if you are out in california, good day to our viewers here in the united states and around the world, i am kasie hunt. and it is thursday, september 28, 5:00 a.m. in the east, 2:00 a.m. out in simi valley, california. of course out there still in the middle of the night after the second republican presidential debate whereas we all know, the elephant was not in the room. donald trump opting out once again, although didn't prevent some of his rivals from attacking the frontrunner by name this time. >> donald trump is missing in action. he should be on this stage tonight. he owes it to you to defend his record. >> this is where president trump went wrong. he focused on trade with china, he didn't focus on the fact that they were buying up our farm land. >> you are afraid of being on the stage and defending your record. you are ducking these things. you keep doing that, no one will ca

i think the bigger risk for these trump attorneys is, by following trump's lead, in making this veryargument. it doesn't hurt them is that judge chutkan is going to get most of them, and with the public defender, no, the problem is that they're going to lose their credibility. they're going to feel like they're going to make any old argument, and that really hurts the attorney in court. >> reputational capital. it is the thing you draw on over the course of a long trial. of course, we expect the appeal, it doesn't look very good in terms of the round, so we'll see what happens. thank you very much. >> good to see you. >> still ahead, a new york judge, dealing a crushing blow to the trump company. what exactly is the corporate death penalty, and is that what we have here? what does this mean for the trump organization. i'm still unclear, but it will be clarified, right after this break. break. >> yesterday evening, leading republican presidential candidate, declared a fraud in court. a new york state judge finding the donald j trump, in this business, committed fraud for nearly a deca

he represents donald trump and donald trump's interests alone. nicolle, was the echoes of donald trump saying they're not prosecuting me, they're prosecuting you. and john lauro echoed that, parroted it, mimicked it in a way that i believe violated some ethical rules potentially. of course the next step will be let's see how john lauro and donald trump's criminal defense lawyers respond to it, and then let's see what the judge dauz because just because there's been a request does not guarantee this is what any, you know, restriction on donald trump's speech will ultimately look like after the judge makes her decision, and then the next question i think we're all going to be asking ourselves is, you know, when donald trump violates these conditions what happens next. >> let me just -- let me just follow up with you quickly, but it almost -- whatever happens next, it's all in black and white now. it's all been submitted. it's all on paper. this is the something bad's going to happen filing. let me read more to you. quote, the defendant knows when h

they plan to call 28 witnesses, donald trump, donald trump jr., eric trump, ivanka, eric cohen. he said at the time he believed the trump organization and former president has inflated the value of assets and that's what the judge found this week. trump's attorneys have a list that includes 127 people, also including the former president trump. so it is likely he could be called as a witness in this case. now, the new york attorney general's office following the court ruling this afternoon saying we are ready for trial and look forward to presenting the rest of our case. we have not heard back from the trump side tonight for comment. >> thanks very much. let's discuss all of these major developments. joining us now, cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe. on the breaking news, what's behind trump's decision not to try to move his georgia state case to federal court? >> well, this one was a genuine strategic stunner in my view. there were plenty of good reasons why donald trump would want to be in federal court starting with the

and trump's alone. instead, republicans have planned this hearing and constructed an entire false narrative around this work of special counsel durham in an effort to distract from the former presidents legal troubles and mislead the american public. to be clear, the durham report is, by itself, a deeply flawed vessel. after four years, thousands of employees hours, and more than six and a half million dollars in taxpayer dollars, special counsel durham fail to uncover any wrongdoing, the justice department -- justice harwood said not only found in 2019. he brought two cases to trial, lost them both. both defendants were acquitted and we are ours. the single conviction of special counsel durham involved a single charge of lying to the fbi. the case developed and handed to him by the inspector general. one result by a quick plea bargain. the report itself outlines some fairly glaring investigative missteps. the fbi apparently never even looked at a thumb drive of key evidence related to allegations of co

people know who donald trump is.yet he is still statistically tied with the sitting president, despite all of those. >> without trump on that debate stage on thursday, right, and without one of his staunchest critics, asa hutchison, on that debate stage on thursday, it's not clear to me how much republican candidates who are running against him will actually be running against him. sorry, not thursday, i keep saying thursday, but it's wednesday. it's not clear to me how much they will actually run against him this week. >> i think they're going to run against him more than they have in the past. >> explicitly, do you think, calling them out? >> well, i think ron desantis at this point has nothing left to lose, right. because god knows, he's lost practically all his authority. and the idea that he was the runner-up and that he was a competitive with donald trump. so at this point, the only thing that he has going for him, he's not no longer saying the word woke, so he needs something else to say. and i think he is goi

so trump is doing what trump is doing. we need to understand very quickly that the shroud of innocence, the illusion of innocence that we're not capable of this actually shrouds the specter of violence. and unless we look it squarely in the face we'd better buckle up because whether he wins or loses we're in for a storm. it's going to intensify. >> yeah. i want to press on that. the shroud. i feel like that could have been an excuse for years 1 through 6. but i don't know that it answers for this, which is year 8. i need all of you to stick around. we'll turn to that. we'll also show you what hillary clinton had to say about the looming specter of authoritarianism in america, both from malign actors abroad and those here at home who are using what we talked about, the dictator's playbook. plus as we learn about justice clarence thomas's history of attending donor events run by high-profile right-wing action and lobbying networks, the most outspoken voice in the united states senate on ethics reform at the supreme court wil

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barbara, can donald trump, and the trump organization, survive this ruling?ll, i've been asked that question so many times. logically no, it doesn't look like it. but somehow, he pulls things out of the air. i don't think, i don't think the trump organization is going to survive this one. but, -- >> you were in charge of the construction of trump tower, that iconic building in new york. the judge says that trump's triplex apartment in trump tower was overvalued by between 114 to 207 million, due to trump saying that the apartment was three times its size. does that surprise you at all? >> does that, no, no not not at all. because he says, everything about trump tower was a blown up, vick blown up, life sold the most, apartments got the highest lions. everything was correct, whatever he thought he could get away with. and you could get away with anything, it seemed. >> did you see evidence -- >> so he -- >> did you see evidence of these kinds of deceptive practices when you were a part of the trump organization? >> yeah, yeah, i did. but it's kind of like a di

trump? >> about $300,000.fees are well in excess of six. >> do you think trump could beat this case in washington against jack smith? >> no, i. don't >> that's some of what mr. navarro. said the final point there being he, having gone through the same courtroom and a similar federal trial, does not think it's old boss, donald trump, will be acquitted. he thinks donald trump will be convicted. donald trump's trial is scheduled for march in that same washington court house. that is our update on what we learned there. still to come, giuliani insider speaking, out and as promised, our nbc historian, michael beschloss, as we take a step back, take it all in, and learn from history. that's coming up. that's coming up skyrizi is the first and only il-23 inhibitor that can deliver clinical remission and endoscopic improvement. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver

i love trump. i love trump. i'm chris christie?er version of that because i think to molly's point, there's no incentive for them to do otherwise. >> yeah. >> i think you're going to see ron desantis desperately try to rehabilitate his campaign desperately and there's nothing worse than a desperate ron desantis. so that ought to be entertaining. >> what is he going to do with his career next? he can't do a cooking show. he eat pudden with his fingers. >> he eats pudding with his fingers and the nails afterwards, it's a mess. >> he got a six-week abortion ban and he eat pudding with his fingers. nobody want to shake his hand. how you be president with pudding on his hand. >> is he going to do that rant again? >> that nasty. >> joy, he rants and then he smiles and tries to smile at the end. >> we should probably do it again. >>> coming up next, house democratic leader hakeem jeffries joins me. we'll bring it back to more serious things with an update on how hostage negotiations with republicans are going with just three days left to

how does trump win?cured. 0ur border can be secured. we can be safe, or we can be energy independent. we can be respected on the world stage all again, and we can lower inflation. i did it once, i can do it again." and what biden will say, "you know, all the drama that we've had for the last four years only gets worse. "the american people probably are going to have to pick from these two candidates, whether you like it or not. that's probably what's going to happen." isn't the truth that you have conceded, indeed in a book recently, you conceded that trump has — quote — "personality problems, has a darkness within him". but you stick with trump cos you still want to be senator for south carolina and you know you'll be killed in your own party if you abandon donald trump. isn't that the truth? it's pure opportunism. no, it's... it goes this way. there's a dark side to donald trump. and to be honest with you, he was a very good president, from my point of view. i'm sticking with him because i saw what he

trump. it was filed by the new york attorney general last year. and the judge found that trump and company deceived banks and insurers by massively overvaluing his assets, and exaggerating his net worth. the judge also wrote, that is a fantasy world, not the real world. this is a major blow for someone who has been a developer that i spent decades bragging about his wealth. >> i am really proud of my 60s. i really am. i have made billions of dollars in business making deals. all my life i have made money i never quit making money. i built an unbelievable company. tremendous cash. i have some of the greatest assets in the world. we have a lot of cash. built a great business with my family. >> this is all just part of two and $50 million lawsuit that trump is facing, which is scheduled to go on trial in new york on monday trump responded to the ruling that this massive attacks the attorney general and the judge and claiming that he is worth more than the numbers that are shown from his financi

trump is all about deals. deal. and i told him: is this why you refused to destroy terrorist groups? and he replied: “yes, we will not do this if they, on their part, do this and that.” and i couldn't argue with that. this has helped the economy of the united states, over the past his year reduced migration by 80%. he was an effective president. he is not ideological, he does not believe, he is a populist, not a conservative. none of this matters, no, he made deal after deal. why is he hated so much in washington? what? why do they hate trump so much in washington, because trump doesn’t respect them, he treats them without reverence. washington, as you yourself know, you lived there, it’s all cocktail parties, it’s all about social relationships, pimping, the powers that be, been here, been there, cafes milano, this afternoon i had lunch with these guys. with the senator, that's all that's going on there, trump didn't pay them any attention at all, and he treated them with no respect, yeah, you know, he looked

trump. the most significant are the ones that can put him in jail, the two federal indictments, the two state indictments, one in georgia and one in new york. if you're lying awake at night staring at the ceiling it's the pending criminal cases. but from a business risk perspective, the fact they could lose the right to do business in new york, that they could lose their business certificates, is significant for this company as the judge pointed out, built on lies and fantasy in many ways. >> thank you very much and russ buettner, thank you all very much for your reporting and insight this morning. >> it is a big story. >> it is. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll show you joe biden's message for striking autoworkers in michigan as he became the first sitting president to join a picket line. we'll speak with elissa slotkin on the president's historic visit to her state. also ahead, former white house aide, cassidy hutchinson will be our guest with her insider account of the chaos in the fin

you take away donald trump, you don't get him a donald trump., these are bad formats for folks, seven people onstage. i thought some of the questions were quite substantive. what is the vision? what is it? basically, people either do some culture war stuff, or they talk like they are a republican from 2010. about the debt and the deficit. they're gonna bring down donald trump because he ran up the deficit. i'm just thinking, like, i'm not a republican primary voter, even i know that doesn't work with him. do you feel the same way? that there's something, like, a donut hole in the middle of this entire enterprise? >> i do. i started getting text from democratic strategist friends, they thought nikki haley was doing a good job. i knew that was not a good sign for nikki haley. you know, that is right. her and pence, i guess, the one area where i would quibble with you, nikki and pence, pence or particular, offered kind of a zombie reagan's vision, an alternate vision of how we should go back to the pre-trump party. the problem with that, both of th

trump asked.ell, there is a process factor they could go to a judge and get a search rural warrant and they could arrive here. another trump lawyer told evan corcoran, there's no way he's going to agree to anything, and that he has, he is going to deny that there were any more boxes at all. today the lawyer defending donald trump's codefendant in the documents case, walt nauta, asked federal judge may lean mercedes cannon, to hold a hearing to clarify that defendant nauta is satisfied with his defense lawyer, stanley woodward. the star witness in the case, known as trump employee 4 in the filings, switched lawyers to a public defender and then became a cooperating prosecution witness. trump employee 4 testified to special counsel jack smith's in washington that he told what nauta and de oliveira to delete the security video after the fbi subpoenaed that video from trump's president. trump employee 4 was the tech guy who would've had to delete that video. defense attorney stanley woodward insisted,

trump's. mr. trump good win or lose. outcomes should be determined by the people who show up and make their preferences known in the election." this is charles, fort collins, colorado. what are your thoughts on the efforts to use the 14th amendment to disqualify former president donald trump from the ballot? caller: i was reading the insurrection and the 14th amendment. it seems like when trump was not telling the people in the white house to stand down and disburse --disburse. can anything become in insurrection? i don't know. one thing i'm curious about too is one of the colors -- callers said they had no recounts. georgia had 3 recounts. there were recounts all over the nation. there is no bad voting system. our voting system is sound. i was also just wondering if the case in georgia, if trump is found guilty by his peers, not by the democratic party, but by a group of his peers, which does carry a minimum five year sentence, the republicans are going to then say, he was found guilty in a court of law legally by a gro

>> fight for trump!every intention of joining his supporters' march to the capitol. >> fight for trump! fight for trump! >> did the president tell you this, that he wanted to speak at the capitol? >> correct, yes. >> stop the steal! stop the steal! stop the steal! >> we have the power in numbers. we came here to protect our republic. >> fight for trump! >> the morning of january 6th -- >> usa! >> you will listen to us! >> usa! >> supporters began gathering for the rally. >> biden did not win this election. >> what do you think happened? >> fraud. it's not made up. >> meanwhile, the president's insistence on joining their march to the capitol. >> we're taking this country back. >> had white house lawyers such as pat cipollone very worried. >> mr. cipollone said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go up to the capitol, cassidy. keep in touch with me. we'll get charged with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> but nobody could change trump's mind. and as he, family, a

donald trump? and she says maybe in my leg. she's joking around, but that's the kind of environment that she's in. would you take a bullet for him? to somebody that ends up being the star witness against him. and it's really shocking, and now she has this book called enough, and she's out there saying he is the number one threat to democracy. >> and saying that he, in her mind, is disqualified from being president again. >> without question. that he's disqualified because he violated the constitution and she's trying to say -- and she's still a republican, she's watching that debates hoping that one of these candidates will say something that appeals to her. it sounds like both chris christie and nikki haley have elements that attract her. although nikki haley seems like she maybe disappointed her by not being more forceful about january 6th. it's a complicated story, it's an interesting story. and, you know, when you read the book and you see her describe events, and she describes them through the

trump took offense to this. and said you know, he's invoking capital punishment for this and we know from the atlantic magazine that millie is convinced according to the atlantic, that if trump were to win, he would actually pursue prosecution against him. there are a lot of people who feel that way and do you not think that is a serious proposition, that that would actually happen? >> well, i think it is a serious proposition. you're trying to put me in jail for publishing the book. but the question is just because trump tries to do it, do you think the institutions dissolve? i don't think that happens. i think as long as you still have an independent judiciary, a lot of people may run up a lot of legal fees, but it will result in the country turning against trump and we'll see how this plays out. you know, he's got to get people confirmed by a senate that's going to be closely divided even if you have a majority of republicans. i think how his nominees fair, many of whom will be grossly unqualified and ken pax

if against trump, they have a chance. if they— against trump, they have a chance. president stop at a quick one, justine — for moderate _ at a quick one, justine — for moderate republicans for one policy, this is— moderate republicans for one policy, this is where you test policy, in a form like this. it is hugely frustrating because all you hear from donald trump at the moment is the biting crime family, retribution, vengeful disc, taking on the media, trying the chair of thejoint chiefs for on the media, trying the chair of the joint chiefs for treason —— biden crime family. it is not construction, and after the primary season, does that win a general election? .,. , season, does that win a general election? .. , ., ., season, does that win a general election? , ,, election? exactly. it looks like he is robbin: election? exactly. it looks like he is robbing to _ election? exactly. it looks like he is robbing to victory _ election? exactly. it looks like he is robbing to victory to _ election? exactly. it looks like he is robbing to victory to win - election? exac

the most loyal of loyal trump people. >> the most loyal of loyal trump people and who have already beenndicted. some people -- some of these individuals have also been indicted. we have to think what would a second trump term look like? are these the people running the government, people facing indictments and who would work for donald trump in a second term. that is a question we should ask ourselves going into the election season. >> let's talk about mark meadows who was cleave of staff and you were chief of staff to the chief of staff. you write in your book that in one of the first conversations you had with meadows in the white house, he said to you, cass, if i could get through this job and manage to keep him out of jail, meaning donald trump, i will have done a good job. a., when he said that, did you think he meant that literally, and b., do you think that your testimony might actually result in donald trump going to jail? >> in that moment, when mark said that to me, it was more of a wake-up call and a moment where i sort of felt frightened for the first time. but also concerne

donald trump under his separation, donald trump continue, this asylum israel, asylum should be availablee people that get hurt the most, -- that's what led to 5.5 million people coming into our country illegally. drug smugglers, human smugglers, terrorist organizations. that they are. that means making this a national intelligence priority. using cia and nsa and mj and all those resources in order to disrupt these operations. they are making almost an over 100 billion dollars a year. that's a pretty large footprint. three, i would treat fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction. we have existing keys in order to stop the dirty bomb from coming into our country. fentanyl and drug overdoses have killed 109,000 people last year. i would work with our allies. we can't invade mexico, using the military to invade mexico is a nonstarter. anybody who's talking about that is lying. but we should be partnering with our allies, not just in mexico, but in el salvador and guatemala, to dismantle this. and on daca, i would bring up the usa act, this was a bill that i cosponsored with pete aguilar in ca

we're going to speak to a trump business insider who say it's was trump's m.o. to deceive, work with him for years. >>> plus, our fred pleitgen suddenly found himself in the middle of the ukrainian offensive not far from heavily armed russian troops. an incredible report that you will see first. >>> and we are live in southern mexico where thousands of migrants are making their way north, some held at gunpoint. this is an "outfront" exclusive this hour. let's go "outfront." >>> and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, we begin with the breaking news. fraud. the judge finding donald trump engaged in repeated fraud for years. it puts the existence of trump's entire business at risk tonight. and a new york judge is ruling that trump and his sons are liable for providing false financial statements over a decade. and here is the judge's ruling. it is a complete rejection of trump's arguments that he did not lie about the value of golf courses, hotels, high-rises, his own apartment, mar-a-lago, arguments that a judge in new york is ruling tonight are bo

trump rico at plus 600, trump total minus 200. biden plus 4000. i mean do you think that registers? i think it registers with autoworkers and i think that everyone in america and you saw the president stand up, stay with working people and say that steve brandon how said, we have been through appeared in the country where the corporate leaders have done really well made a lot of money. people who are quitting that welfare workers, deserve to share -- especially in the auto industry, and the people all their on strike and they all took their pets with the auto industry was in trouble in 2009, and they grew to save the artistry by cutting their pain bad times. now that the auto industry is making record profits, they deserve to share those profits and get their just rewards robbing sacrifice to save the american auto industry. >> there has been a lot of poland recently, a lot of regrets about pulling. one of the things, forget the head to head and all of the top lines. one thing that does seem pretty consistent is that republicans scoring higher on economic matters with the democrats.

donald trump. we know from the criminal indictment that on june 22nd, 2022, the justice department told trump's lawyers that they were drafting a subpoena for security camera footage from mar-a-lago. and the next day trump at a very 24 minute phone call with mar-a-lago property manager and gentleman called carlos de oliveira. a few days after that de oliveira pulled mar-a-lago's i.t. director into a closet and said again according to the indictment, the boss wanted the security camera server deleted. but if donald trump did have to testify about that but whether he has to member of his staff to delete security camera footage, what if his little answer to that question is no one of his instruction was more like would be a real shame if something were to happen to that security footage? . but the meeting is pretty clear, and that is the way it seems trump operates. say it but don't actually say it. remember trump's lawyer evan corcoran? after trump got a federal subpoena demanding that heat trump ret

oh wait, no, that was ivanka trump and jared trump or jared.zy? to the idea of a biden impeachment. there are no charges, it's completely illegitimate, and i think for the democrats perspective, they are loving this. they will not say, it's not admitted. it's only going to drive up president biden's numbers at a time when there are a little bit soft. and i think the longer this impeachment inquiry goes forward, the more they're going to behind the scenes prop it up, and kevin mccarthy is going to be speaker for the remainder of this term, because he's going to have democratic votes in the house to keep him there. has an act of an alpha trump move, on the part of the democratic caucus -- if republicans try and move mccarthy, they're going to keep him in, there it'll make their life even worse. >> that will be quite an interesting political move by the democrats. i have to say, i mean, you could almost, and use the word almost here, very loosely, you could almost believe the republicans if they would have opened an investigation into jared kushne

it's a fight between donald trump and everyone. donald trump pushed this shutdown. if you thought for a second that the extremist republicans who are voting down their own speakers bills are doing so on the basis of some strong moral belief or ideological position, you'd be wrong. donald trump, who, by the way, oversaw the longest shutdown in u.s. history, is, once again, openly rooting for the government of the united states to shut down. 21 republicans, who care more about not getting primary than about serving the american people, are doing his bidding. this week donald trump posted on his social media site, quote, unless you get everything, shut it down. the new york times reports, quote, a person close to mr. trump acknowledged that his support for shutdown was providing encouragement to mccarthy's adversaries. representative matt gaetz of florida, a leading supporter of a shutdown, said in an interview that one of mr. trump 's posts on social media endorsing a shutdown may have had an influence on some members of congress. quote, i think there might have been

we love trump!d trump had invited his supporters to come to washington and to march towards congress using language many believed encouraged the violence that followed. we fight. we fight like hell. and if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country any more. joseph biggs sobbed in court and begged for leniency before he was sentenced to 17 years injail. his lawyer blames the former president. where's donald trump in all this? he stood on the ellipse, basically told people, 7a million of his followers, the election stolen. go to the capitol. fight like hell. you won't have a country any more. some people listen to him. dominic pezzola can be clearly seen smashing a window in congress, which then ignited the invasion of the building. he's been sentenced to ten years in prison. in a debate withjoe biden before the 2020 election, donald trump refused to condemn racist violence and namechecked the proud boys. stand back and stand by. the proud boys' leader enrique tarrio will be senten

on that list, donald trump, eric trump, donald trump jr., ivanka trump, and michael cohen, among others. cohen is the one that kicked off this whole investigation when he testified before congress in april of 2019 and made the allegations that the trump organization inflated the value of their assets. so he's going to be one of their witnesses as well as some others. now, trump's side is saying that they're going to call as many as 127 possible witnesses including trump. so saying that he wants to testify in this case in his own defense. of course we never know who's going to take the stand until it comes down to that moment, but we're looking at a number of witnesses here and many of them with the last name trump. >> all right. kara scannell, thank you so much. really appreciate it. joining us to discuss, nick akerman, a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. nick, would you be surprised if trump or his eldest sons were called to testify? or are you expecting that? >> oh, i'm expecting that. if i were the a.g., i would pop them up on the stand almost imme

romney talks about how after he was the only republican to vote to convict trump in trump's first impeachmental, after that romney says he never felt comfortable at a republican caucus lunch again. romney explains how -- how jarring it was to be booed by republicans in his home state at the utah republican party convention and that if he was being honest with himself, there were moments up on that stage where he was afraid of them. it was utah after all, and in utah people carry guns. sit with that for a moment. the republican party has radicalized so much that its own 2012 candidate for president is physically afraid of the party's face. that is where we are at. do you remember when congressman ken buck entered the political scene in 2010, buck was a tea party insurge want in colorado, and he strongly disagreed with the concept of separation of church and state, and he thought homesexuality was a choice. when asked why they should pick hem over hefemale opponent in 2010 he said, quote, i don't wear high heels. congressman buck is basically conservative on every other issue. he campaigns on b

can beat trump. it nikki haley is probably the most electable because she takes the suburbs and a lot of doubtful republican women. maria: she had her arms around the issues the most she was very specific and she has experience. >> she drew blood the first person for a direct attack at desantis focusing on his proposal to ban fracking and 40 which he did have on his campaign website in 2018 he did want to ban fracking because of the states natural resources. she kind of seemed like the only one who was gunning to fight trump there was a kumbaya element to the firing squad where vivek ramaswamy were everyone bought and paid for and sit everyone on the stage is a good person. desantis did not want to get down to fights with people easy add homonyms with trump but it did not seemed like anyone was fighting for trump's spot was there any sense it was a dominant, did haley come off as too shrill or did everyone else, were they to sing when and their fight? >> i was surprised nobody had a real substitute f

don't trump. there will no longer be the seven springs family compound in westchester county. but there are still questions here about what that will look like. is it possible he could transfer these assets out of state? there are questions here that people are trying to grapple with. and the trump organization itself is trying to, i think, get their hands on what this is going to mean for them. >> and have the former president or his sons responded? >> yeah. so, his son, eric trump, who essentially leads the company on a day-to-day basis said, look, the judge and the attorney general are trying to destroy their company. now, trump's attorney, chris kais, who is representing him at his action said, today's outrageous decision is completely disconnected from the facts, governing law, with the full impact of the decision remains unclear. what is clear is that president trump and his family will seek all available appellate remedies to rectify this miscarriage of justice. but they are already appeali

trump should be prosecuted. such statements before this process began without due process are disqualifying. in her decision refusing to disqualify herself from the case judge chutkan said at the outset it worths noting the defense has never taken the position ascribes to it. and the defense does not cite any instance of the court ever uttering those words or anything similar. instead the defense interprets the court's verbal reiteration of defendant palmer and preolla's arguments about their relative culpability as suggesting a secret core view about defendant's criminality. that inferential leap is not reasonable in light of the relevant facts, record, and law. judge chutkan said those two comments at those two sentencings cannot be the basis for a recusal. she said the supreme court has held that a judge's statements made in the judicial setting and reflecting opinions formed by the judge on the basis of facts introduced or events occurring in the course of the current proceedings or of prior proceedings do n

named donald trump. that 35% who say they can change their mind, look here. donald trump supporters, and we have seen him throughout his time on the stage, they are the stickiest supporters. 83% of supporters are definitely going to support him. 54% of ron desantis supporters say that. 37% of support etc. of other folks say they are locked in. and then you're supporting them now. combine all that up among republican and republican-leaning independents. donald trump at 81% either support them now or would consider supporting him. desantis at 78%. haley, scott, vivek ramaswamy, the next tier here. but look down here. either half or less of these republican independents would consider supporting these candidates or with them. look at that crist number. a third of republicans would support him now. two-thirds won't even consider him. >> these numbers are so interesting. the question that everybody asks that we ask all the time is why? why is donald trump support so sticky and why is it so vast when it relate

so donald trump could be beat. but do not mistake that for donald trump will be beat. with the fractured field, it is very difficult as david noted. nobody as emerged as a clear alternative to trump. but listen here, these are two trump voters. they are both for trump. she was for rand paul last time in the primary. he was for trump last time in the primary. both say it is a little different this time. >> i personally doan think he's as strong as he was in 2016. i have people would argue with me about that and tell me i'm wrong and get mad that i'm saying this but i'm going to be honest and say i don't see in. >> why? >> i don't see the same enthusiasm. >> then compared to now. >> i think it would be less now. i think more people in new hampshire were for new england -- were more for trump than they are now. because of all of the legal cases and, yeah, it did impact him around here. >> the challenge is that he's not the new guy. he doesn't sound as insurgent and tweeting up a storm which natalia likes. but he still has the support and can anyone else, not four or five,

trump's value was 2.7. $1 billion less than trump claims. that's a person trying to defend trump's claim. let's take a close look at another one of those properties. 40 wall street. one of the most treasured jewels in trump's crown. that property is central to the new york attorney general's case against him. it is a building that trump loves to tout. just listen to him on 9/11. just be clear. this is on 9/11, 2001. moments after the world trade center buildings collapsed, here's donald trump. >> 40 wall street actually was the second tallest building in downtown manhattan and it was before the world trade center was the tallest then when they built the world trade center, it became known as the second tallest and now it's the tallest. >> just think about that for a second. if you were alive on that day. that's what he said on 9/11. all those people died, he's talking about his building is now the tallest? and he wasn't even right. according to the "washington post," this building, 70 pine, was still taller. if you care about that specific f