incredibly, it looks so much like the tsarnaev brothers, especially dzhokhar tsarnaev.t that. >> alex, pete and i were auditioning people, and they basically walked into the conference room, and i was looking out the window. i saw them and i was like, pete, do you see these guys? they had just met outside, but the resemblance is uncanny, which really allowed us to use a lot more of the real surveillance footage with them going to the bank, going to the gas station, going to whole foods to exchange a gallon of milk. and i reminded them, you know, this is obviously something that's happened. it's very recent. don't hang around too much together in boston. because, you know, something bad could happen. >> you know, one of the biggest challenges we faced was quite simply how much screen time we wanted to give these two actors. and we wanted to make sure that we offered very little explanation or justification for their behavior other than maybe some extreme narcissistic personality disorder, and that was something we struggled with and talked a lot about, how much time to g

the fbi found a gps device in one of the tsarnaev's brothers cars.tting out the data of two trips to a macy's store when three pressure cookers were bought there with cash. >> we over lay it on the map and determine the subject's vehicle at the square mall at the same time as the pressure cooker. >> joe tsarnaev visit visited in colorado. >> incredible inside look of that investigation. coming up in the season of light, bringing the magic of christmas to military bringing the magic of christmas to military fami imy moderate to severeng crohn's disease. i didn't think there was anything else to talk about. but then i realized there was. so, i finally broke the silence with my doctor about what i was experiencing. he said humira is for people like me who have tried other medications but still experience the symptoms of moderate to severe crohn's disease. in clinical studies, the majority of patients on humira saw significant symptom relief. and many achieved remission. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious,

. >> reporter: the tsarnaev brothers' story also featured. bing reminders of how they once brought a city to a standstill. dzhokhar tsarnaev has been sentenced to death, currently being held in a federal fripris. for jessica and patrick their resilience stronger now than ever. >> telling your story is a big part of trauma therapy. and to have people sxcare and b interested in it is i think an honor a lot of trauma survivors don't receive. >> reporter: at its core "patriots day" is far less about loss. it's a tale of lessons learned and a heart-stirring reminder terror can never, has never defeated love. one day in april this was a crime scene. what is it now? >> well, it's always going to be a reminder of what happened. you see people who have to move on with their lives. and people here showed such strength and resiliency, and to see them moving forward. this is such an amazing place. it reminds us of what real love and real heroes are about. >>> and next -- ♪ i really can't stay ♪ baby i'm fine with that >> a new version of the holiday class

opposed to syrian -- to bringing in more syrian refugees, always highlight the example of the tsarnaev brothers, they were not refug refugees, they came with their families, with their parents as children as tourists. once they are on u.s. soil they asked for asylum and were vetted. they established roots here in the u.s. there was no way to predict that these young men who immigrated as children, would become radicalized on american soil and cause us harm they did not come in as refugees, through the refugee track. it's less likely for a would be terrorist to enter through the refugee track than the tourist track. >> any other questions? >> thank you. >> does the united states have any long term plans in the future for large influxes of refugees or maybe even disasters in our neighboring bordering countries to take in large numbers? >>. >> that's an excellent question. are there any policy debates underway about expanding a more humanitarian response to victims of climate change. at present, not that i know of. the word refugee has a precise legal meaning. we would need to reconsider perhaps e

the room together trying to figure out whether to release photographs they have to have the tsarnaev brothers. >> those are not our guys. meanwhile, you guys are not closer to identifying the two we're really looking for. we need to release the pictures. >> we'll have zero control. if we play over our head we may is working against us. normally you have a murder, no one rats. we don't got that problem because in this city when it comes to terrorism, everyone wants to talk. you have a lot of people talking but they're talking about the wrong people. release the photos of these guys, trust me, you have to let boston start working for us. >> i understand boston but i can't just snap my fingers. this decision goes all the way up to the attorney general. >> then give me his i'll call him right now! this is my city, rick! release the damn pictures! ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: jhn, thanks so much for being here. >> you're welcome. >> stephen: "patriots day" is in theaters december 21st! john goodman, everybody! back with denee benton! ? ( cheers and applause ) yep, got the exact doll she wan

isis, a russian who had his own problems with russian terrorists who told us twice about the tsarnaev brother that your administration was too dumb to follow through on with deadly consequences to americans. even hillary hates the russians and wants to blame russia for her loss because she can't believe americans can see through her lying, unloving, non-charitable character. harry reid, you remember him, the one that was all into desert tortiouses having nothing to do with his son-in-law and the chinese. he is calming for comey to step down because he says comey and the fbi knew the russians were hacking into the election. obviously he knows more than the fbi themselves. i got a news flash. everybody has been spying on everybody else for years, even obama knows merkles' hair appoint its. the difference is now they do it by cyber attacks. don't be fooled by these narratives. it's all part of an effort to build the wall from donald trump bidding a relationship with a isis that -- country that is fighting isis. between the dictator that thinks i'm an infe dell and therefore you and i and our fam

charlie: how did you depict the tsarnaev brothers? t's hard to do any research on those two brothers. it's hard to research them and not become quite fascinated. it is a unique, bizarre situation. not like they just came in and blew up the towers. these were assimilated guys. he was a marijuana dealer, ladies man. he had three girlfriends. i met two of them. one of them was a boxer and wanted to represent the u.s. at the olympics. charlie: how did they become radicalized? guest: through their family. also through the internet. seeing these extremists propaganda online, it is a refuge for people who are alienated. if someone wants to prove themselves, they can go in this direction. have forthy that you them in the movie is nullified by what he did. he placed a bomb near these two children and lou them up. charlie: knowing he was going to take the lives of children. guest: and he did. charlie: is he talking? guest: i spoke to one of the jailers. was he under the influence of the brother? what is happening? the jailer said he's a terroris

the faces of the tsarnaev brothers. and the backpack. while footage obtained sometimes depicts difficult moments to watch, each frame can prove invaluable to investigators. it often leads authorities to suspects, as it did in post. in brussels, twin explosions at the airport and a train station in march were documented by passengers. cell phone video revealed devastating wreckage through thick smoke. this image was captured. after a man hunt authorities arrested the third man in the hat. more recently on a new york city street in september closed sirkd television showed window store fronts shattering and people running for their lives. nypd investigates were able to rewind the footaged and spotted ahmed ramny in the place where the bomb was found. and lots more. one camera revealing a dramatic moment when a woman's life was spared because a suspect's gun seemingly jams. >> back with paul cruickshank. german authorities have a picture of this guy. what we don't have is some of that video we just saw right there. the likes of which we have

. >> look at what happened in the united states with the orlando shooter or tsarnaev brothers and in this case amri. they have people under surveillance, an ongoing investigation but for some reason these people are not brought in and arrested. even last month counterterrorism believe believed he was preparing an act of violence against germany. why can't they go from surveillance to stopping these attacks. >> they are waiting for the big hit. they say i believe he's going to do something. so let's watch him and catch him in the act and wrap everything up and looks good. in the real world, what people have to realize and what some have realized all along is these terror cells plan and finance their act with small crime, credit card fraud, cigarette smuggling. when you have someone doing small crimes you can't afford to wait and see what they are doing because they may do it before you figure it out. >> we have a situation with the german police. they detained the wrong guy and 24 hours later they found amri's identification in the truck. there seems to be a lot of criticism that they

isn't that how they identified the tsarnaev brothers? >> i believe so. i've done this where you get the film. it's painstaking. you may have for every street corner, you might have ten cameras on it. so to look at an hour is going to take ten hours because you have to look tat each one. it takes forever to do that. >> in the meantime would you suspect the driver of the truck, would we have gone to ground or have a support network in germany? there's also suspicious he may not be around. >> my hurcnch, and it's only a hunch -- >> that's why we have you here. >> my hunch is this isn't one person. one person gets their own truck or car. several people would be needed to overpower a driver, stop him somewhere, find a way to get it, and get it on the first time, because we don't hear any other drivers saying somebody tried to hijack me. they got it the first time. i'm guessing there are several people involved in this, and whatever country you see this happening in, where the truck was taken over, i would start looking there. that's where your cell at least

. >> rose: how do you depict the tsarnaev brothers? it's hard to do research on those two brothers. we did quite a bit. it's hard to research them and not become fascinated. it's a very unique and bizarre situation. these were not like saudis that snuck in and blew up the towers. these were assimilated guys. one with us at u mass dartmouth and a ladies man and marijuana and the other was a boxer who wanted to represent the u.s. olympic team we'd see at starbucks. >> rose: how did they become ral radicalized? >> through the internet seeing extremist propaganda online and it's a refuge for people that are alienated if someone want to prove themselves they can go in this direction but any sympathy is nullified by playing a bomb behind two children and blew them up. >> rose: he knew what he was doing. >> no question. >> rose: he'd take the lives of children. >> and he did. >> rose: is he talking? >> i spoke to a jailer and asked what's with this guy and he said he's a terrorist. >> rose: that's what he is and he knows it and acknowledges i

rooted, whether they are lone wolf or not, that were rooted in the radical islamic ideology, the tsarnaev brothers, nidal hasan, there was 18 e-mails between anwar al-awlaki and the fort hood killer, that's the refusal to acknowledge the world we live in, that we've been living with the last eight years. >> and you go back to this instance, homeland security officials knew the attacker was possible recruitment target of islamic terrorists but granted asylum anyway. what more can we be doing in this country, meghan. >> our own president-elect met with silicon valley, except twitter, day before yesterday, i have said this many times on the show, silicon valley needs to flag the people on facebook, that makes libertarians's heads pop off, this specific suit of the ohio state university shooter. i talked to a security expert who said these are threats he put on facebook page against america, someone should flag that. if you're making threats against the country, you should are pulled aside and called into question. >> filter, flag and track child pornography, it is the law, why can't they do it with r

the fbi found the gps device in one of the tsarnaev brother's cars.tted out the data showed two trips to the macy's store in this weeks before the bombing where three pressure cookers were bought there with cash. >> we overlaid it on the map to determine the suspect vehicle. >> jo jo . >> unbelievable. >> right now we want to check in with rob and look at the temperatures outside. really cold. >> 20s already. right now. there will be a few more we think toward sunrise tomorrow morning. we'll show you the reason why the microclimate alert is focused on them freeze warning in the bay area because of temperatures like you are seeing right now. willow glenn 31. 31 morgan hill. downtown san jose 36 and 33. 44 in heyward. the numbers are a bit more mild as you got ito the water. belmont 42. menlo park 31. 45, one of the warmer spots we are seeing toward pillar point and in to san francisco, you can see probably not going to see much in the way of patchy frost but to the coastline, san francisco state, you have 37 and 45 in downtown san francisco and number

on those that have petty backgrounds, career criminals, we saw that in the united states, the tsarnaev brothers had brushes with the law, the same thing with the chattanooga shooter. pretty extensive records. so it seems like that's the model recruit for them. >> mike, i want to ask you, the tourists in germany in a different planned attack on a mall, are authorities -- >> sure they are. countries such as tunisia where amri comes from originally, europe has graduated more jihadis, foreign fighters than anywhere else in the world. france is the number one feeder. germany issing? like 890 of which a third have returned and another third have been killed. it depends on who you ask. european security services, in my estimation, tend to downplay or under estimate the true number of sleepers or operatives running around the continent. isis defectors, including those who still have context informants working within isis' foreign operations, who i'm in touch with all the time, say the numbers are closer to the hundreds. there are people running around all countries, france, belgium, germany, spain, ita

the faces of the tsarnaev brothers who set off the explosion and the backpack they used to carry the bomb. those pictures eventually wallpapered the city and aided in the capture of the brothers, one of whom was killed in a gun battle with police. while footage obtained sometimes depicts difficult moments to watch, each frame can prove to be invaluable to investigators, often leading authorities to the suspects as it did in boston. in brussels, twin explosions at the airport and a train station in march were documented by passengers. cell phone video revealed devastating wreckage through thick smoke but the investigation quickly centered around this image taken from the airport surveillance cameras. three men pushing luggage carts, two of them suicide bombers who police believe wore gloves to conceal the detonators. authorities arrested the third man in the hat. more recently on a new york city street in september, closed circuit television showed window storefronts shattering and people running for their lives. nypd investigators were able to rewind the footage from street cameras a

charlie: how do you depict the tsarnaev brothers? >> that was a real challenge. ted -- it's hard to do any research on those two brothers and we did quite a bit. it's hard to research them and not become actually quite fascinated. it's a very unique and bizarre situation. these were not -- like mohammed atta and the saudis that snuck in and blew up the towers, these were assimilated guys. one was in dartmouth. he was a marijuana dealer, he was a lady's man, had three girlfriends, i met with two of them. the other was a very good boxer. wanted to represent the u.s. in the olympic team. these are guys we see at starbucks. charlie: how do they become radicalized? >> it they became radicalized both through their family the , mother and father were really tough cases. but also through the internet and seeing all this, you know, extremist propaganda online. it's a refuge for people that are alienated. it's something that, you know, if somebody wants to prove themselves, they can go in this direction. any sympathy that you have for them in the movie, to me it's nullified

i think i would point out that the tsarnaev brothers came as asylumçs and the wife san bernardino sheed. >> let's see what mr. aramesh has to say to that. >> you have to vet. there is no argument there. having said that when you try mix and paint a huge group of people with the same brush, that's a problem. let me tell you something, i take this very personally. about 70 years ago when the largest biggest genocide in human history was going on, a big group of people in this country said do not allow jewish refugees to come here. year going to have arthur and merrill and thugs and criminals. guess what? that became a dark spot in our history, america welcomes people. >> mr. hanson, here is the welcome refugees, welcome people who are being oppressed elsewhere fleeing violence as we see in syria. now he uses this as a point to combat what you're seeing. what do you think, mr. hanson? >> i think i would love to bring people who are being oppressed all over the world here. however, when a significant portion of a population outrageously says that they are willing to support violence to ov

by frame, there's hours and hours of this stuff and eventually they got identification on the tsarnaev brothers. this is time-consuming stuff. >> immensely. >> is this their best -- one of their best leads right now, this evidence? >> yes. you're going to have to break it up into what we used to call tiger teams, just go find some agents or whatever type of agent or officer they have, find them and get them looking at those films because you can't speed that up. it has to be painstaking examination by the minute. the other thing is you're going to have a team inside that truck because something led the investigators to say this pakistani guy we picked up is ruled out from driving the truck. that tells me that they have a criterion by which they can remove it. which could be fingerprints. it could be blood on the windshield from the driver. so there's something they have to identify this driver. >> it's interesting. this guy has been released because of lack of evidence. hasn't been ruled out, though. >> no. there's not this big mea culpa, we made a mistake, we apologize to the pakistani communi

at the boston marathon as a sort of interesting analog, of course, the two perpetrators, the tsarnaev brothers, didn't stop with just the attack on the marathon. they also killed a police officer at m.i.t. in the process of their escape. so it will be, i think, rash to presume that whoever has done this isn't planning some other kind of incident, somewhere. >> it's good to council sosel s patience. in boston, it took days, and in france, it took months. isis claimed a connection to this attack. it said that the person who did it was a soldier of the islamic state. so how do we know that that claim is authentic? >> well, we don't. we'll probably know when he turns up dead, as a corpse, being shot by german police or by some other european security force. or if he's captured alive. the one thing that's giving me a little bit of pause here is, if you are an isis-inspired terrorist, you are meant to declare your allegiance to abu bakr al baghdadi, a fealty, loyalty to isis. we saw that in the orlando attacks with the 911 call. we saw that in the san bernardino attackers, based on a social media co

in with -- >> there's a lot of real footage, especially if you look at the two brothers, the tsarnaev brothers, the actors that we cast have an uncanny resemblance. into whole foods or the bank or the gas station and of course all the closed circuit tv footage and boylston street, we were able to use a lot of that footage. >> i know tonight you're going to watch it with some 3,000 people. >> in boston. >> in boston. i cannot imagine the reaction they're going to have. >> it's going to be very emotional, but i think, you know, i was deeply concerned when i first went to boston, my first public appearance after announing the movie was out at the celtics game with my wife and my they butt me on the jumbotron and they started chanting "boston strong." everybody was chanting "boston strong." i got out and got on the roof of the car. i think it's going to be extremely emotional but extremely triumphant. people came together and stood up and held hands and i think they'll do that tonight. >> we're so proud of you. i just have a little housekeeping before we let you go. wahlburgers coming to times squ

you mentioned the fbi had p investigated folks like one of the tsarnaev brothers. that hadn't resulted in anything productive. has there been any indication from the fbi over the years about how they might be changing the way they react to or prepare for these kind of events. as a lay person in the public, it seems like a black box and we discuss these issues. have you seen any indication they are changing things in a more productive way or acknowledging when certain things haven't worked? >> unfortunately, no. i was interested on the first panel when a couple off the pamispa panelists said they were concerned that the fbi might try to expand the investigative authorities. under the 2008 guidelines, the fbi was given the authority to do the type of investigation they call assessments, which allows the use of recruiting and tasking informants. it allows overt and covert interviews. it allows a lot of intrusive surveillance, not electronic surveillance. the standard is no factual predicate necessary. no factual predicate necessary. you need no facts to suggest the pe

to something mike german, you mentioned that the fbi had investigated folks like one of the tsarnaev brothersbut that had resulted in anything productive. has there been any indication from the fbi over the years about how they might be changing the way that they either react to or prepare for these kind of events? it seems like it to the public, as a layperson seems like a black box and we discussed these issues, but have you seen any indication that they are changing the any more productive way or acknowledging when certain things have not worked? >> unfortunately no. and i was interested on the first panel with a couple of the panelists said they were concerned that the next administration might try to expand the fbi's investigative authority. edited 2008 guidelines, that michael mckay said put in place the fbi was given the authority to do a type of investigation they call assessment which allows the use of tasking informants. it allows over and covert interviews and allowed a lot of intrusive surveillance. not electronic surveillance. but the standard for that is this is a quote out of t

. >> the bombing suspects were identified as chechen brothers dzhokhar and tamerlan tsarnaev. >> it was hellacious. none of those officer his ever fired their weapons in combat or in action. the courage that those cops showed to stand and hold the line and not let those brothers get away. very inspiring. >> also in theaters today, michael fassbender and marion cotillard star in "assassin's creed." i talked to them about the challenge of bringing a best-selling game to the big screen. >> are you a gamer? >> i played in 1999. i don't know what would be the o best answer. >> we're with the star of "a monster calls" how he channels his real-life tragedy in his new role. >> my own mother passed a couple of years ago. >> and we're with denzel his life before hollywood fame. >> garbage taught me i need to go back to school. >> ryan kransston, versus james frank owe, and the crack-up behind the scenes of why him? >> i had never lost it like that before ever. >> out in limited release this weekend, hidden figures tells the unfold tors of three brilliant women, woring at nasa. >> why didn't i kno