tunisia to the united states. there are flights from tunisia to europe. there is some standard, international standard that tunisia must abide by. but is there a vulnerability in all of these smaller airports in some of these countries? many that rely on conscripts for security at some of these access points around the airports. t the answer to that is yes. and tunisia has experienced some terrorist attacks. they have a robust presence of militant groups in libya that have made it their point to try and carry out attacks and infiltrate attacks in tunisia. we're getting way ahead of ourselves to say there's a connection between tunisia and this particular incident but the climate of that country gives you the sense if the plane spent some time or a few hours on the ground in tunisia as it may have here in egypt and in ertreitrea those are going to be part of the investigation as they try to determine who may have had access to it. there are examples of bombs put on planes that have gone off after several days or ma

804 went to 5 airports in 48 hours before disappearing issue before paris is made a round trip to tunisia capital, where security has been stepped up since islamic extremist attacks a mude ye museum and beach, killing tourists in 2014. and it made a trip to -- airbus had a digital datalink that reports problem to ground

would it be on libyan territory, tunisia or egypt? i don't understand how you form up the armed forces for the new libyan government starting from where you are now. >> okay. thanks. it's not an easy question. let me go back to something done by a couple of countries, among them the u.s. and three european countries where they had prop e proposed to train some libyan soldiers after the g8 summit in 2013. they made a proposal to -- it was the general purpose, the idea was to create a nucleus of national army, the eidea was to train them abroad. we failed big time because the vetting was inappropriate. the young people were taken to different countries and there was one critical thing where you have different schools of military. how can you train by six, seven schools? the vetting failed and the reason was we did not have a proper strong institution for vetting. institutions to the existing weak, fragile ministry. right now let me tell you, we have a lot of military professionals all over the country -- south, west and east. the milita

would it be in tunisia? i don't quite understand how you form the armed forces for the new libyan government starting from where you are now. wafa: it is not an easy question. let me tell you something. let me go back to on initiative that was done by a couple of countries. among them the u.s. and european countries, where they had opposed to train some libyan soldiers after the g8 summit in 2013. to create aproposal nucleus of a national army. the idea was to train them abroad. we failed big-time because the wasing -- vetting inappropriate. the them people were taken to different countries. military andrain a expect the soldiers to come back? it failed because the vetting failed. we did not have a proper strong institution. the government was creating in parallel institutions to the existing defense ministry. right now, let me tell you that we have a nucleus of an army. we have a lot of military professionals all over the country. south, west, and east. we have many different ranks. the military institution

that, and looking at who had access to the plane when it was in tunisia.as in tunisia 36 hours ago, the last stop before it made the flight from here to cairo. in addition to that, looking at who was on the plane. pouring over the manifest. the search will pick up. >> thank you very much for joining us, see you ap the top of the hour, when we continue our live coverage. thank you very much. >> coming up next. how high tech u.s. spying equipment is being used in the crash investigation. >> just over 24 hours ago, that the flight 804 disappeared, the search is scheduled to resume shortly. the latest, with what u.s. intelligence has gathered about the plane. kerry? >> there is so much that we don't know. go over the details of what we do know. this is what investigators are looking at. first of all, we know according to the greek government, their military radar shows that aircraft traveling at 37,000 feet, made an unexpected left turn of about 90 degrees, then went into a circle motion, dropping to 15,000 feet, before it went off radar. take a look at the ti

to figure out, if it turns out to be a bomb, where was the bomb loaded in was the bomb loaded in tunisia, which has sent more than 6,000 foreign fighters to syria, or was it loaded in paris? and if it was loaded in paris, we have to take a hard look at what's happened here, because if memory serves, i don't think we have had a bomb placed out of a european capital since lockerbie, and that would be a significant break in security. >> harden, thank you, laura a big thanks to you as well, it's approaching 5:30 here in paris behind me, the sun starting to rise over the charles de gaulle information airport, as the sun rises here, the sun also rises above the mediterranean sea as well. when that happens, the search effort will continue. they're trying to find -- trying to find egyptair, flight 804. lots more here on msnbc here after a quick break. we needed 30 new hires for our call center. i'm spending too much time hiring and not enough time in my kitchen. (announcer) need to hire fast? go to ziprecruiter.com and post your job tover 100 of the web's leading job boards with a single click.

tunisia and egypt the strongest states in the arab world. we are struggled to the abuses continue. in the gulf, and skillful outsourcing of state options for military economic policymaking, education and health care has permitted reliance on family to grow and indeed flourish. governments may show us a future in which the responsibility associated with modern states, the welfare and development of the people can be fulfilled in novel ways. you can outsource a lot of the welfare states. but because there is little difference between the public treasury dynastic regimes, the call for transparency is more essential than more difficult. privatization is a way of living things out of the public sector and out of the glare of publicity. so to a public sphere in which citizens debate policy is difficult to outsource in the importance of the realm of open and unfettered debate should not be discounted. so i think these are the kinds of things within the region anyone, any outside power, and power, any internal government will need to be grappling. the apparent paralysis of the great powers

the idea for sky orchestra came from visiting tunisia.taying in a small town on the edge of the desert right in the south of tunisia. and in the middle of the night as i was laying in this sort of , dark hotel room, a minaret started calling right on the edge of town, and a few minutes, another one started calling slightly closer. and after a while, there were 10 minarets calling from different parts of the town across the city. it was a very beautiful experience. and it just sort of lifted me into a space on the edge of sleep. i came back to bristol and bumped into a hot air balloonist. the sort of came to me, this idea that i could re-create that edge of sleep, musical sculptural experience by strapping speakers onto hot air balloons and playing music to affect people's sleep. and we would fly over cities to sort of inspire people's imaginations. ♪ that was probably the first artwork that i made where i realized that actually instead of inviting the public to come into a museum, or an opera house, or a theater, that actually we can deli

people are talking about eritrea and tunisia. is there a security protocol for an airplane itself. is there a sweep of it to make sure it is unemcumbered. >> there is the historical situation. paris under attack. egyptair and the crashes they have there. so, yes, they sweep the planes and they did that at charles de gaulle. the question is, is that sufficient? would that pick up something homemade, hand device or something that perhaps got through that security and that is where, that is really where the problem is right now. >> all right. always a pleasure. thank you, sir. >> joining me now, msnbc terrorism analyst. executive director terror, a simple yett assymetric project. we don't have any claims of responsibility. there was not an official declaration, within 12 hours or so you had isis folks popping up to say we did this. what do you make of that? >> you can't really rely on a claim of a terrorist groups. historically they didn't take claim right away. they would evaluate how much fear and terror they put into the population. this air craft blew up over sinai. they found the

that, and looking at who had access to the plane when it was in tunisia.a 36 hours ago, the last stop before it made the flight from here to cairo. in addition to that, looking at who was on the plane. pouring over the manifest. the search will pick up. >> thank you very much for joining us, see you ap the top of the hour, when we continue our live coverage. thank you very much. >> coming up next. how high tech u.s. spying equipment is being used in the crash investigation. d your bran. nobody's hurt, but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. th is lloyd. to prove to you that the better choice for him is aleve. h

are driving -- almost 6,000 tunisias joined i.s.i.l and most are going to libya. >> rose: and you just said it wasn't sectarian there at all. so what prevents them in libya? i know this is high on the president's priority as well, what prevents them from an expansion in libya? what's the resistance from? it has to be from warring tribes, i would assume in some cases, but who is stopping the expansion of all the people going from tunisia and other places to try build a base in libya? which if libya is a failed state, they have oil as a resource, they have a strategic location across the me med mediterranean from europe, it's a terrible possibility. >> libya, charlie, is a serious concern. we just met in kuwait last week with about 26 of the key members of the coalition and libya is at the top of everybody's agenda about what to do about it. and the only bright spot is it does seem to be -- i.s.i.l seems to be self-limiting in libya. it's not expanding dramatically because many of the libyans and the tribes reject this kind of foreign, what they see as a foreign interference into libya,

this was the original call for the oust in tunisia.selves, these changes, these developments were not dynamically dissimilar from comparable revolts and political revolutions in other times and places. so we expected the process to look more or less like the fall of the regimes in louisiana tin america or the collapse of communism in eastern europe. we were ready to look for various actors where their divisions in the regime. to negotiate with reformists. all that kind of thing was what we thought was pretty familiar. and we added a few notes about the neighborhood effect and about great power and we looked at notice that the united states was involved in egypt and the saudis in bahrain and so forth. it all seemed pretty much like garden variety regime change. something that the political scientists and policymakers of this country were familiar. even the mess in libya was predictable and predicted. but somehow it went well beyond that. and this is the second of my three arks of revolution. i would argue the global politics itself is i

tell you before that plane left from here in paris heading to cairo, before that it took a trip to tunisia. just yesterday, and as you know northern africa has become a hotbed for terrorism. that has been the case for a number of years now. so folks are looking at who had access to the plane there, as well. egyptair has been roundly criticized for much of the past year. back in october, of course, there was the bomb that was smuggled on board the plane. more than 200 people died, around october 31st of last year, that was a flight that originated in egypt. a number of officials have said this is obviously going to be something that takes a fair amount of time. but at this point all indications point to terrorism. >> craig melvin, right on the ground there for us, thank you so much. >>> let's move on to some of the experts, we have our chief global correspondent pete neely, here he is with a report on what is happening there. >> reporter: yes, chris, in the cairo airport, where the families of the members on board have been all day, looking for answers, mourning their possible loss and deep

according to flight tracking data, the plane stopped in cairo, tunisia, and eritrea on wednesday. jeffrey thomas is managing director at airlines ratings.com. he joins us again from australia. jeffrey, what about all of those stops? can a bomb be placed on an airplane and detonate hours and hours later? >> indeed, natalie, this is -- if it turns out to be a bomb, and we don't know that yet, we're simply looking at the level of security at airports, which is a very, very valid thing to do because as was mentioned just a few minutes ago, a small bomb was smuggled onboard that metrojet aircraft in october last year, which killed 224 people. now, cairo has tightened up security, but as was mentioned, a person got onboard with a fake explosive belt even though he was frisked. so you have to ask the question about the level of security and how seriously that's taken given the evidence that we saw. but when we talk about this particular flight, as you suggest, it took off. the first flight of the day was from eritrea to cairo, then two flights to tunisia before heading off to paris. now,

the state department warned last month of a terror threat in tunisia known to be an isis stronghold.lamist group has made two major terror attacks here in the last year and what about airport workers in egypt, the plaintiff home base? the bomb but brought down on metro jet in the sinai killing 224 only seven months ago reportedly put on the plane by an airport worker and egyptian airport. importantly, how safe our flight from africa going to the us? we asked the spokesperson of johannesburg's airports, one of the few direct flights to the us but she wouldn't give us an interview. it's known security has been tight ends 911, john? jon: live from johannesburg, people. melissa: new in the next hour of "happening now", a father and his son accused of a horrendous crime. shackling a teenage girl in a basement for over a year. wait until you hear how she escaped area and a tractor-trailer buried under a bridge after collapsing across a highway. what triggered it? right at home's professional team thoughtfully selects caregivers to provide help with personal care, housekeeping, and of cours

this plane has been in tunisia and previously in cairo.ou have potential points when, if it's determined that this was a bomb, something could have been put on that plane? what kind of a challenge is that for investigators, everybody who touched the plane in four different countries? >> that's right. there's the maintenance handlers, catering service, the crew and passengers themselves. that's several hundred people each times four. and that's the challenge. are you going to interview 5,000 people? we don't know if it's a mechanical failure or not. this reminds me of mh370. the radar said it went this way, that way. how accurate is the radar? do we really know that's what it did? when we get the flight recorders recovered, we'll know but do we know right now? >> you have experience in dealing with egyptian authorities dealing with a loss of a plane off the coast of nantucket in 1989. the ntsb ruled it as a pilot suicide and the egyptians say it was mechanical. how confident are you in this process that the egyptian authorities will be tran

this plane started at least it made one stop in tunisia. tunisia was the birthplace of the arab spring, violent and nonviolent protests, isis has claimed that they're going to attack europe, specifically france. they said they're going to continue to do that. we had the paris attacks, we had "charlie hebdo," we had the paris -- the bataclan. and then you see paris to egypt. you have the juxtaposition of europe and arab world. if this is true. there's extensive naval assets in the area. by the u.s., by the greeks, by other european countries, by the egyptians. they're going to find out what happened to this fairly quickly. i think this isn't going to be one of those malaysian air flights. 70 people as greg palkot pointed out, were escorted out of this airport alone for having ties to islamic beliefs. europe has to step it up, clean this mess up. >> what you see is the easy accessibility for terrorists to be able to you know wreak havoc, take lives and create panic and international alarm dana. from the time you were in the white house if an

would it be on libyan territory, tunisia or egypt? i don't understand how you form up the armed forces for the new libyan government starting from where you are now. >> okay. thanks. it's not an easy question. let me tell you something. let me go back to something done by a couple of countries, among them the u.s. and three european countries where they had proposed to train some libyan soldiers after the g8 summit in 2013. they made a proposal to -- it was the general purpose, the idea was to create a nucleus of national army, the idea was to train them abroad. we failed big time because the vetting was inappropriate. the young people were taken to different countries and there was one critical thing where you have different schools of military. how can you train a military by six or seven skaolchools and ex t them to come back. the vetting failed and the reason was we did not have a proper strong institution for vetting. institutions to the existing weak, fragile defense military. right now let me tell you, we have a lot of military

it was in tunisia and it was in other places.could it be possibly that if there was a bomb on this flight, it was placed not in paris, but before? >> it is very possible. there are areas of the airplanes that are not readily accessible. and if you have the airplane in a remote place in an airport and especially someplace like tunisia, very suspect. i'm sure that they're going to be looking if there is any video available. security cameras available. they're going to be looking at all of that. they are getting very sophisticated in these devices and they're getting very knowledgeable where to place them. >> at the same time, fred, it is my understanding that the bomb may be to be detected has to be sophisticated, but it doesn't have to be sophisticated or complex to bring a plane down, does it? >> that's right. i think what congressman mcklca said is very important. it could have been placed in airport where there was weak security by airport personnel. i think our intelligence agencies have to redouble their efforts to look at wh

the tunisia and also egypt, cairo, a of these places in the developing world. and the biggest vulnerability in the global aviation system has been the airports in the developing world have lagged behind in deploying state-of-the-art technology, in training people in airport security and also they don't have as rigorous protocols when it comes to workers at the airport. so there has been significant concern over the past year or so about threats in the developing world that somebody might be able to get a device on a plane in part of the developing world and that plane perhaps with a timer would then go down in the developed world. we saw in february of this year the al qaeda affiliate al-shabaab was able to get a laptop bomb on a flight. it blew up and blew the bomber out of the plane and fortunately hadn't climbed to sufficient altitude to destroy the aircraft. everybody on board apart from the bomber was not killed. great concern when it comes to airport security. >> that is the developing world. the developed world, the plane originated at charles de gaulle

iran, turblingy, esquipt, tunisia, to some extent, had formal institutions of bureaucratic states. but apart from them, those institutions are always a big of a feeg leaf in fiction. or as the ambassador said in 1951 it was a last resort and expedient. it was not obviously something that he had a lot of confidence in succeeding. the alienation from and hostility tolt modern states of the middle east is occasionally expressed in support for violent political movement against governments and their supporters usually when sectarianism was politicized. but not that often. certaintly not as off as is the case today. but what happened was it was routinely exhibited and what looks like the bureaucratic states perspective like corruption. that is reliance on friends families money changers even criminal networks to obtain the necessities of daily life. and these of course these networks ate away at efforts to create the formal institutions of a modern state. you had the scaffolding but most of the way that is scaffolding was deployed was fosh the purposes of other kinds of networks and eye

and then it stopped a couple other problematic places prior to that, like in eritrea, tunisia, i thinkf intense interest for me, i think, since it was coming directly from there when making the turnaround at de gaulle. when they look at planes on the turnaround, sometimes the turnarounds are pretty quick. explosive device could have been placed aboard in cairo and not discovered on the quick turnaround at de gaulle with some kind of timer aboard, it would have to be. >> mr. cox, have we learned anything since 370 about other possible causes of explosion midair in an airplane that perhaps we had not anticipated before or hadn't seen? do we have new information about what the range of possibilities can be? >> no, malaysia 370 remains a mystery. we don't know what happened to that airplane. we understand pretty well what the potential sources of ignition or explosion would be, be they structural, mechanical, or in fact, explosive device. and the investigators are going to look very carefully for the signature marks of any of those. in addition, they'll look to see if there's a potential m

flight data shows stops in tunisia and air trayia.effrey thomas of airline.com explained the situations. >> if it turns out that there was a bomb on board that aircraft, then they'll obviously be looking at the first flight of the day which is from cairo to the return flight. now a bureau of. >> m >>-r diplomatic security said in the united states said that unpredictable levels of security. while the british government warns that tunisia is the most dangerous area for britons to travel to. and we may call that last year we had the terrible tragedy where 31 britons were massacred at the beachside resort. so, both theories have serious question marks in the security level at the country and also at their airports. >> and we're also starting to hear from some of the relatives of the 66 people who were on board that plane. they are working with very few answers this day, and as you can imagine coping with great loss. here's cnn's miguel marquez with this story. >> reporter: the crushing reality setting in. their loved ones, gone. we were

security experts say at the airports in cairo, eritrea and tunisia, officials don't have tight control over the employees and workers are vulnerable to bribes or extortion. but the plane's final stop in charles de gaulle in paris is not air tight as well. since january of last year, 85 employees lost their security clearances because of alleged radicalization. u.s. officials say flight 804 had a security sweep at charles de gaulle before it is final takeoff but experts say that sweep may not have been able to detect a bomb the size of a soda can. >> it's almost impossible to do without the help of dogs or some technology. and i think the description of sweeps being performed, they are very superficial. >> reporter: tonight, more than 24 hours after the plane vanished, there's been no claim by isis or al qaeda or anybody else. relatives are vouching for the character of the pilots mohamed said shoukair and assem. >> they have to make sure that they were not particularly stressed. >> now, regarding the smoke alerts, the aviation industry tells cnn it was not aware of that acars informati

including stints in libya and tunisia. he knows north africa well. david, i would like to hand over the panel to you. thank you very much. david: there are so many things we can talk about regarding libya. but this particular program is going to focus on what the so-called islamic state is up to in libya. and although it has wrongfully appropriated that name is lamic and does not function as a state, i am going to refer to it as daesh. i will not contradict the president of the united states , who insists on calling it it isil. daesh worked for me. expert, ander is an on terrorism, and is also very knowledgeable about other substate armed groups that often practice terrorism. without coverage, very often, in the u.s. media. he understands the complexities and he brings a strong grasp to the theory and practice of terrorism. as illustrated by his recent book on syria. full biographies i believe in the sheet you have received. he brings that particular perspective to this panel and the other panelists have other perspectives that will be useful in form

he was from tunisia. shoe bombers and super max in the united states.isian co-conspirator went to a prison. we have the connection in other -- not saying it's anything like that but attacks and attempted attacks in the past. we had the two locations also implicated. by the way, the shoe bomber traveled from brussels to board the plane. >> fred, to you, just in terms of the timing, do you find any of it curious or it could be a total coincidence that this is right around when this plane is leaving greek air space entering egyptian air space and just goes off the radar. >> well, a few things jump out at me. a lot of people say that you want to put a bomb to go off as the airport craft is getting to cruising altitude but sometimes they may have wanted to make a statement to explode getting closer to egypt. it's very, very difficult to tell, you know, the timing of matters and for these things for the sophistication not as accurate as people like to think athat are on occasions. i think the bomb if it was a bomb in the back of the airplane and account for t

cai cairo, tunisia and praise where they needed out 70 out of the airport. it worries me about the safety of the flights. last point of departure coming into the united states. >> no one claimed responsibility, mr. chairman. kour could it be something other than terrorism? >> it could be a mechanical problem. it happened so quickly, i question it. remember after sharmel sheikh it took a couple of weeks for isis to take credit for that. when i visited cairo i was concerned about the state of security. they have only magnetometers. they are not vetting employees properly. the bigger threat is the idea that you can have insider threats. the best technology. but if you have an inside job of a worker with access to the plane that's corrupted, bribed or radicalized they can get a bomb on the aircraft and blow it up. that might be what happened in this case. >> you heard the secretary said we have stringent screening processes or planes bound for the united states. do you believe those screening processes are adequate given the potential for what might have happene

and, of course, the fact that this was the fifth leg of the flight for this it had come from tunisia, and they are trying to find out if anything unusual occurred in those places. a lot to lack into. maureen: scott, thank you so much. today's news comes almost two months after a major security breach on egyptair. in march a man hijacked a flight saying he had a bomb. i turned out to be fake and no one was hurt. also, last october a bomb exploded on a metro jet flight bound from sharm el-sheikh, egypt to st. petersburg, russia. a bomb killed everyone on board. the group liminged to isis took responsibility. leon: closer to home, donald trump convention delegate is facing child porn, weapon and explosive charges. they indicted 30-year-old caleb bailey of waldorf. investigators seized illegal machine gun from bailey's home and child pornography and illegally shipping explosives by mail. maureen: d.c. fire and e.m.s. officer facing chargeses of processing drug and illegal firearm. they arrested captain brian michael grace yesterday who lives in centreville, maryland is free pending the ne

plane here in paris, or was it impossible -- was it possible it may have been put on in cairo or tunisiaecause the plane passed through all of those places before it arrived in paris. authorities search the plane when it came to paris. we don't know, it may have been a technical failure. we are still waiting for answers but for now security will remain extraordinarily tight here. time youot the first just national carrier has been in the headlines. in march, one of its planes was and adverted to cyprus. that incident enended peacefully but in 1999 and egypt air pilot direct -- deliberately crashed with everyone on board. >> it was supposed to be a routine egyptptair flight fromom alexandria to cairo ununtil it s hijacked by passenger on board who claim to be wearing a suicide belt and diverted to cyprus. after a six-hour standoff at the airport on march 29, the hijackers surrendered and all the hostages were released. afterwards, the authorities said the man, and egyptian national, acted because he wanted to see his ex-wife and children who lived in cyprus. his suicide belt turned out to

>> where think the president got it from the beginning of isis, and he... [ inaudible ] in tunisia next to libya with our team in exile or the ambassador in exile they tuesday of the 6,000 isis in libya, libya is failed state and becoming a launching pad for external operations as is the sigh anyway peninsula. [ inaudible ] i am more about external operations conducted by the safe havens that are being created which they can launch external operations in the united states and in aviation security is the biggest threat. >> have said of syria and iraq it is the largest convergence of terrorists in merchandise everyone history. the last big terror stronghold was afghanistan. compare what is going on in syria and iraq to what was going on in afghanistan pre-9/11? >> they operated in caves with couriers and primitive operations and new we have a new generation of terrorists that necessity how to use the internet. [ inaudible ] there are the largest converge ensure of foreign firefighters that we have sigh of jay haddist and that is due to the internet. they are expanding their bandwidth in a

checking tarmac workers in paris and reviewing the jet's stop before the flight, including one in tunisia earlier. that there is out a bombyo security for all the flights, where the aircraft came from, what kind of bomb was it. >> also looking at the passenger background, european officials say no one on board was on current terror watch lists. officials at charles de gaulle airport are looking at surveillance footage looking for possible clues while search teams off the coast of egypt are focused on finding and recovering the plane's black boxes. in paris, marcy gonzales. ahead, it is the call before the safe track storm, plenty of we can track work, the two lights that will have partial shutdowns. and you could own a pony for a lot less than you think, we will take you to the adoption program and let you know how much it will cost you to take him a wild horse. , -- >> how would you get a virus from a porno site if you had never been on one? kimmel questions jim webb vo: for dominion, part of delivering affordable energy includes supporting those in our community who need help. our energ

this plane made several trips in the final 48 hours, brussels, tunisia, cairo and back obviously as well as here in paris. how do these other countries fit into the investigation, and how much do you look when you're doing this kind of investigation at the geopolitics of the places it went? >> it's going to be difficult, especially the geopolitics of this. we and everyone will have to assume until we get further evidence that the device may not have originated in france but could have originated during the maintenance phase in cairo, when it landed in asmara, could have picked it up on its landing in tunisia and at some point was married up with a potential bomber and then was strategically detonated as it crossed egypt's airspace. that means investigations will have to start on the ground to determine whether their security meets the international standards or if it's possible that that's where the hole originated. >> malcolm nance, always good to see you. thank you for your expertise. it is 4:15 in the afternoon here in paris and there's much more ahead on the crash of egyptair flight

in 1992, i believe they had the crash in tunisia, in 2002, not 1992, but 2002, egyptair crashed in tunisia killing some of those on board. this is a sensitive subject for egypt. egyptair is the national carrier of the country. it affects and undermines the country's image of stability and tourism. given the current climate. you have president assisi who has run on the platform of stability and security. they're deal with an insurgency in the sinai peninsula. isis has managed to get a hold in the northern part of the peninsula. they've launched attacks and claimed responsibility for the metrojet airliner back in november where they allegedly snuck a soda can full of explosives on to the plane. what we've seen and you asked this question about how does egypt react? in the initial stages, egypt tends to deny or downplay the possibility that it is terrorism. they tend to encourage the media to wait until all the facts come into light. and in the case of metrojet, it was up to british prime minister david cameron who suggested that this was, in fact, a terrorist attack and then the egyptians be

tunisia. human rights watch released a report saying they have documented 49 executions. that election quite a low number for isis. i don't think it is a quincy is that we have seen that look number. are aware of the potential dangers they have there. if they feel under pressure, we see more spectacular attacks. we will see more mass executions. that city building. david: fred, let me ask you to pick up on that. how successful can daesh be in building the kind of quasi-state in turkey that it has and syria? after all, there has got to be a lot of competition. i just question how much in the way of financial reserves could they bring to bear in trying to attract libyans and other fighters. i realize there is a big reservoir of potential fighters elsewhere in africa and tunisia and so on. what are the practical and hownts on daesh would it be possible for the combination of the libyan and international partners to compete with them? >> there is a lot there. you have answered it. they are not able to replicate the state building function they have elsewhere because they lack

in may of 2002 a flight crashed on landing in tunisia. 14 died. in october of 1999, a flight from lamb crashed here in the united states off nantucket and 217 people died. investigators say the crash was deliberately caused by a crew pen. >> stay with us for continuing coverage of egyptair flight 804 with updates the moment they happen by down ling our free abc news app. enable the punish alerts. >> san francisco police are on scene of an officer involved shooting that happened in bayview district near industrial street. vic lee is on the scene. the person shot is a woman; that right? >> apparently. when the person was transported, you could see the crime tape and roters and traffickers waiting for a brief. this is industrial and shaftner and over to sky 7. the shooting started at 10:00 a.m. or shortly before that on the street that is block away from here. we are waiting for the chief to brief us. so far we do not know that much. we know only that it was an officer involved shooting. the person who was shot was taken to san francisco general hosp

israel, turkey, iran, eegypt, tunis tunisia. they, themselves, are becoming increasely the tools of purposes and not serving the sort of formal -- as the sort of formal impersonal apparatus that can effectively collect taxes, distribute goods and provide services equitably among citizens. iran is already deeply sectarian. the ethnic and religious coloration of turkey's state is becoming more and more apparent. in egypt, competing networks of pourer, saudi supported salifies, a u.s. supported military industrial complex has been jockeying for supremacy. even in israel, the attachment to mid 20th century norms of secular citizenship is giving away to open expressions of religious and ethnic bias. so clearly even in the strong states, the question of whether these are going to be serving the citizens as opposed to some ethnic, religious, familial purposes is an open one. elsewhere in the vacuums of completely, almost completely failed states, alternatives proliferate. that we have an unpofrished p vocabulary and spent the last cent

checking tarmac workers in paris and reviewing the jet stops before this flight including one in tunisia earlier this hour. >> if it turns out it is a bomb. have you to look at the security for all the flights, where the aircraft came from and what kind of bomb was it. >> they look at the passenger's background, they say no one on board was on current terror watch lists. >> people here at charles de gaulle airport are scanning surveillance video for possible crews and they are concentrating on recovering the plane's black boxes. >>> and "action news" has complete coverage of the plane crash on 6abc.com. there you can read more about the investigation as crews try to recover the wreckage. >>> from our delaware newsroom now, grief counselors are back at howard high school of technology today. a 15-year-old student was shot and killed near the school yesterday just weeks after the death of another classmate. police identified the victim but they are still searching for his killer, katherine scott has more from the school in wilmington. >>> this has been a difficult time for this school. the

in the 24 hours before the crash, the jet had flown from eritrea to egypt, then to tunisia and back to cairo, then on to paris. investigators are running background checks on every passenger and scrutinizing anyone who had access to the plane. >> is there anybody on that flight with a link to a terrorist organization? number one. and number 2, are there any conversations that are going on right now within terrorist organizations non-public conversations where they are congratulating each other? >> reporter: terrorism is the leading theory but there's no evidence to explain the crash. this headline in cairo reads, the secret of the airbus is in the bottom of the sea. tina kraus, cbs news, london. >> the uk, france, greece and italy are all helping in the search effort. >>> the sole surviving suspect link to the paris terror attacks refused to speak to judges today. salah abdeslam was set for questioning in his first court appearance. but has lawyers said that abdeslam was invoking his right to silence. he is charged with terror offense. 130 people were killed in the november attack in p

ms804 only spent 90 minutes on the tarmac after arriving from tunisia.air and the airport tell us there was no special sweep on the flight. the cleaning crews that go through every plane, every hold, are specially trained to be looking out for weapons and explosives. >> we turn to abc chief investigative correspondent brian ross for the latest. >> reporter: good morning. adding to the mystery is the so far lack of claim of responsibility from isis or al qaeda. two terror groups that have never been shy about taking credit for deadly attacks. so far, nothing on their usual internet outlets. >> not just the airport in paris. how about the other stops it made before getting there? >> reporter: that's a good question. officials are asking why if terrorists somehow did smuggle a bomb past security at charles de gaulle airport, it was placed on half empty red eye flight? instead of the other flights leaving for european capitals or the u.s. that puts a focus on egyptair and that particular aircraft. prior to arriving in paris, it made stops in tunisia and erit

in the lower house of parliament, the bundestag passing a bill that declares nigeria, morocco and tunisia as safe countries of organizinment under this law, migrants from those countries will be sent home for quickly if their application fails. the proposal goes to the upper house for approval. pro asylum groups and opposition parties have condemned the bill saying it violates human rights. the lebanese shiite group hezbollah is mourning a top military commander killed this week in an explosion in the syrian capitol damascus. thousands of hezbollah supporters turning out for the funeral in southern beirut on friday. he was instrumental in preserving syrian president's hold on power. he is the highest ranking hezbollah leader to be killed since the group became involved in syria's civil war. we're going to get more on that story from correspondent martin jay who joins us on the line now from beirut. martin, how big a blow is this death for hezbollah and how might it affect hezbollah's campaign in syria? >> i think it's a considerable blow. you have to remember he was a commander, number on

steven: i met her on the set of "raiders of the lost ark" in tunisia. we did "e.t." together, "the bfg " together. but she was on the red carpet. i thought she was there. genie: steven spielberg, thank you so much. ññ1111@1@1@1@1púúa xx 05/17/16 05/17/16 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from chicago, this is democracy now! >> the u.s. invasion of iraq was a major reason in the development of o or primary rean in the incitement of sectarian conflicts, which have now exploded into these monstrosities. amy: "who rules the world?" we continue our conversation with noam chomsky, leading political dissident, on unrest in the middle east, the threat of a new nuclear arms race, the

it was in eritrea, and in tunisia and in egypt itself before arriving at charles de gaulle, so questionsf there were security implications for the aircraft and whether this was in fact a terror incident. certainly from the egyptians themselves, the civil aviation administrator saying this is indeed maybe terror. so some big questions concerning what actually happened to flight 804. we'll continue to follow them from here in paris. guys? >> thank you. cnbc's hadley gamble from paris. >>> let's get a check on your weather now with nbc meteorologist bill karins. what say you about the weekend? >> nothing too violent, sunday, some storms in the central plains. this morning though, we had the really nasty line of ostorm, thousands of lightning strikes headed from new orleans overnight and now knocking on the door around panama city. that will blow by in the next half hour. wait until that blows by until you head out in northern portions of florida. as far as the rain today, areas of southern georgia, alabama, even mississippi, on and off showers and storms. by 5:00 p.m., we're concentrating o

>> in the 24 hours before the crash, the jet had flown from air temporaria to egypt, then to tunisia back to cairo and then back to paris. the investigators are running background checks on every passenger and scrutinizing anyone who had access plane. >> is there anybody on that flight, with a link to a terrorist organization, number one. and number two, are there any conversations that are going on right now within terrorist organizations, nonpublic conversations, where they are congratulating each other. >> reporter: while. it is the leading theory, so far there is no evidence yet to explain what brought down the plane. this headline in cairo, reads, the secret of the airbus is in the bottom of the sea. tina krause, cbs news, london. >> now the search for voice and data recorders from egypt flight 804 is raising questions about why flight information is not broadcast in realtime, even though the technology exists. a handful of airlines are adopting the new systems that provide investigators with quick access to the data after a crash. former national transportation safety board cha

on tuesday in eritrea, and in tunisia before making the paris to cairo flight. >> if it turns out this is a bomb, yes, you have to look at all the security for all the flights, where did the aircraft come from? what kind of bomb was it? >> hours after the jet disappeared, relatives gathered at airports learning the grim news that no one survived. amidst the grief, relief for this m changed his flight or he too would have been on flight 804. >> i had knots in my stomach and have had ever since then. i am really lucky. >> reporter: where the jet went down is some of the deepest water in the mediterranean. more than 6,000 feet which means any recovery of the black boxes or wreckage will have to be done with remotely controlled vehicles. david kerley, abc news, reagan national airport. >> as investigators look into the possibility of terrorism, the crash has put travelers around the world on edge. >> abc's molly hunter has more on the investigation and the families who are hoping for answers this morning. she joins us now from cairo where the flight was heading. molly, after so much critic

on wednesday, the airbus flew to tunisia and then to paris. cbs news transportation safety analyst and former ntsb chairman mark rosenker says an explosive device with a timer could have been put on board anywhere. >> that's why the investigators are going to be looking at all of the stops that this aircraft made prior to coming to paris. they're going to make a serious examination and series of interviews with anybody who had any type of exposure to this aircraft, whether it was cleaning crew, whether it was catering crew, whether it was the refueling crew, or whether it was the baggage crew. >> airbus a-320s are a workhorse of the aviation industry with a good safety record. >>> the egyptair crash comes as the tsa is taking heat for long lines at airports nationwide. this morning the head of the transportation security administration is in chicago where the long wait has meant hundreds of passengers missed their flights. kris van kleave reports. >> reporter: growing flyer frustration made for tense moments at chicago's midway airport. >> you

they then face the political challenges as in tunisia and egypt.he other hand he the country that is so dependent on oil but you also that is diversifying its economy away from gas and oil. i would job he is heavily dependent on oil. in the dhabi category of seeking credit. they are generally strong. they are now facing a little bit more liquidity problem. regulation has been sufficient and the government is of course dealing with the liquidity defaults. more from our exclusive interview with kuwait's deputy prime minister. and oil minister. itsplan to turn around falling gdp. you are watching bloomberg markets middle east. ♪ manus: i'm here in downtown kuwait. we had an exclusive conversation with his excellency the deputy prime minister and the finance minister and the oil minister, they are all the same man. how are you going to fund the deficits? this is the man with a six-point plan. this is a minister on a mission. >> the effect on our energy would be quite substantial. by coming five years. measures of physical and economical reforms. all of