it's kind of like the quicken or turbotax of ukraine. so it was definitely, that was a method that was used to target ukraine, but then it also hit everyone else who did business in ukraine. and it seems that sandworm in this kind of way that i have come to associate with this russian military intelligence agency that i now believe sandworm to be a part of was just an insanely reckless and brazen attack that was sort of a shoot first and ask questions later attempt to destroy ukraine's internet without really considering the collateral damage that would result. and that hit russia. but i spend, i spent six or nine months of this reporting of this book really delving into the experience of these multi-national companies to try to capture what it looks like when an entire, you know, global conglomerate -- >> offline like that, yeah. >> yeah. >> it's incredible. there's, one of my favorite parts of the book is you write about mersk, the shipping giant, where there are basically 18 wheelers being turned around at ports around the world and v