turkey and its road ahead a little over a year ago turkey was being hailed as the new leader and model for the most of the world among many turks the ottoman legacy is again back in vogue my things have changed instead of focusing on a foreign policy of no problems with its neighbors particularly syria is ankara's foreign policy today in disarray. illinois and you can. pledge. to cross-talk the new ottomans i'm joined by gareth jenkins in istanbul he is a nonresident senior fellow with the institute for security and development policy silk road studies program also in istanbul we have icon editor america he is a republican people's party member of parliament and in washington we cross to il han ten years of a correspondent for the town daily and a fellow with the henry jackson society right gentlemen cross-talk rosen in fact i mean she can jump in anytime one if i go to you first what is neo optimism and is that a good idea. so basically i think it's the idea that there should be a turkish influence in the middle east in particular in those territories which were once ruled by the autu

and syria especially so the bottom line is turkey is not same turkey before two thousand now it is you know different ambitions and a water were eight thousand it's you know better economy. it's been accused is no to mons at any rate whatever it does ok i don't what do you think about that because you know year and a half ago turkey didn't have very many problems with its neighbors now it has problems with almost everybody now. i think we need to distinguish between two different foreign policy styles one is what has already been going on that turkey is becoming more dynamic and proactive in foreign policy and as an opposition member of parliament i do support the new dynamism and proactive style in turkish foreign policy this however is quite different from what's also going on on the other hand and we can't simply gloss it as an autumn and style of foreign policy and this is a foreign policy that relies heavily on turkey's sunni muslim partners in the greater region moreover she within turkey in domestic politics there is the self perception that turkey is moving towards in your argu

turkey and so on many levels . i mean i think turkey had no other choice but to. certain degree involved with syria. and that's you know what it did i mean you can criticize you know if i think if i go to a kind of today let's say let's look at syria because you know it before this you know before turkey's stance it could have been a mediator it could have played a very different role but it decided to go against assad so you can what do you think about that because you know the dynamic change there i mean the syrians are not going to look at the turks as being a mediator i still insistent turkey's involvement in the middle east and north africa is one that works through the new conservative partners the case of egypt and the case of libya i think prove my case. since what we see on the rise in these two countries is muslim brotherhood influence in politics and we also see a similar trend in iraq where turkey is again at odds with the government in syria turkey unfortunately has acted in a very sectarian based and

sort turkey is in the thick of things turkey has been trying to unify a very very fragmented syrian opposition so far too little success but sending troops turkish troops over the border into syria is a whole different dimension ok maggie if i go to you in tampa do you think the syrians want the turks to blink because they know nato doesn't really want to get involved in this at least overtly. to bluff well. yeah that's a good question peter let me just go back to your previous question i would agree with the or for in with with the other guest from turkey i think syria is some sort of potential vietnam for turkey i don't think thirty would want to intervene in syria militarily for now at least because intervening in syria today would get turkey sucked into the syria sucked into a sectarian war in syria and that would backlash in turkey because of the issue of the kurds my dear bill against turkey my unify with the kurds in syria and also there would be a proxy war between iran we should also bring iran into the topic because there would be iran has a heart a large stake inside syri

islam is the most important issue in turkey.arrator: most inhabitants of istanbul are muslims, but here, too, we find striking contrasts. some combine their religion with westernized lifestyles. this dovetailing of this consumer society with islamist lifestyle in turkey i think is something that has arisen specifically from the conjuncture of globalizing economics in turkey as well as a relative freedom of expression, and an increasingly educated islamist community-- and increasingly urbanized. i think that it can be, in a way, an export of turkey to other places in the middle east, and i think that it has been. narrator: but many people are fundamentalists and find their identity in islamic traditions. but they are fighting against another tradition here. beginning in the 1920s, one of ataturk's most significant changes was the formal separation of church and stat since that time, religion is supposed to be a matter of individual choice and conviction. secor: i think that turkey has the potential to be a great model of a state

tonight on r t turkey gives the green light to military operations beyond the country's borders after wednesday's deadly shelling from syrian territory. also as the west rushes to blame president the sad for the cross border violence moscow calls for a strength on both sides but highlights the lack of global condemnation from the turners and killed dozens in aleppo. and after the rub says protesters stormed the greek defense ministry later showed despair in the struggling country. eight pm thursday night here in moscow welcome if you just joined us mimes kevin i mean this is r t live for the top stories and first turkey's parliament or throws the military to engage in cross border armed operations following the shelling of a town from syrian territory on wednesday meantime tension on the border is worsening too with turkey renewing its for a tell a tree shelling of its war torn neighbor for a second day artie's middle east correspondent as the latest. as expected the turkish parliament has voted overwhelmingly in favor of the wising military operations in syria what this does mean is

thursday morning, turkey launched a second round of shelling. some reports say several syrian soldiers were killed. >> the retaliation came after five turkish civilians were killed after syrian mortar fire. turkey says that syria has now apologized for that incident and has promised it would not happen again. >> it is a small turkish town bordering war-torn syria. it has come under the line of fire. syrian borders struck a residential neighborhood, killing five civilians -- syrian mortars struck a residential neighborhood, killing five civilians. cross-border buyer has struck 37 times since the start of the syrian uprising -- cross-border fire has struck turkey several times since the start of the syrian uprising. the government says this bill is not a declaration of war against syria. >> turkey is not a country that wants war. it is a country that wants peace, but we're also a part of a country that is visible -- capable of doing what is necessary when a dictatorial regime violates the sovereignty of our country. >> turkey is ramping up its mil

the russias are looking at turkey's piftd and turkey has come back closer to the united states and they're not krtable with that because they saw nato and turkey and the united states get together and take out qaddafi and they don't want that to happen again to another ally. last but not least this is also putin's primal fear that if he sets up a precedent of supporting an uprising and the international community to back that uprising, they say what if tomorrow there's a russian spring so he doesn't like what's going on in syria at all. >> warner: what message is turkey sending to russia? russia is a major arms supplier to syria. are they saying you can't use turkish arms space to ship arms in? at least not on passenger planes? and can they enforce it? >> there's a gray area of legality and the turks are enforcing it. they are saying we can do this because it ears our airspace and they're probably acting on intelligence that might have come to them from other places. usually if the turks that has kind of intelligence it's not theirs. and the turks -- >> warner: kind of a nato intelligence?

turkey and syria keep the border shelling go away as media reports suggest uncle rod may have provided the waters now landing on its territory in the first place. live pictures from athens where protesters i gathered outside to once again to call for an end to cuts and express anger at the pending visit of germany's angela merkel. and the ruble chavez evolve unity for venezuela the longstanding socialist leader proves he is still enjoys the people support when it will fall term and six more years in power. it's nine pm here in moscow are you watching r t a live with me to have on with same turkey has again fired syria of so cross border mortar bomb strike but a turkish newspaper is reporting the shells that have been landing in turkey for six states now maybe from weapons that ankara itself provided to syrian rebels this together with reports of their separate is the mobilizing inside syria threatens to leave turkey in an awkward diplomatic position a middle east correspondent policia has the latest. what we've witnessed now is five days of increasing conflict along the turkish syrian

turkey gives the green light to military operations beyond the country's borders following wednesday's deadly shelling from syrian territory. and as the west rushes to blame president assad for the cross border violence moscow's calls for restraint on both sides and highlights the lack of global condemnation for the terrorism that's killed dozens in the lead. also after the rug says protesters stormed the greek defense ministry in the latest shows despair in the struggle. eight pm thursday night here moscow welcome this is r.t. live with me kevin now in our top story turkey's parliament has authorized the military to engage in cross border armed operations following the shelling of a town from syrian territory on wednesday meanwhile tension on the border is worsening with turkey renewing its return to tree shelling of its war torn neighbor for a second day. a middle east correspondent has more. as expected the turkish parliament has voted overwhelmingly in favor of also wising military operations in syria what this does mean is that it now has given the green light for cross border ope

i may be wrong about this but turkey has been at the forefront of the support for the rebels turkey is allowing the rebels to be trained and armed inside turkey and them to cross over into syria it's interference intervention in the syrian conflict has been extremely important indeed decisive turkey says it doesn't want to withdraw but this is now the second time that turkey has been involved in a military conflict with syria you remember i'm sure your viewers will too that a turkish aircraft was shot down. a few months ago and turkey at that stage also tried but failed to use that as a pretext for some kind of military response and this latest parliamentary resolution is another attempt to do the same thing so i think turkey's role in this is very questionable indeed we talk about turkey's role in this being very questionable india let's talk about what some are saying is a very very heavy handed response we have the syrian shell that goes into a turkish border town five people are killed then turkey responds with seventy approximately seventy strikes in response to approximately o

this house has led turkey itself into the fighting.f that continues, it will change the nature of syria's 4. -- syria's war. >> that is exactly what everyone is worried about. turkey has been hit in a tax by syria since the uprising against president assad began, but yesterday's was the most serious and it doesn't threaten to destabilize the region. >> the border between syria and turkey is long, porous, and tense. flimsy barrier to a war on a stage set for this calculation and escalation. call this is the turkish town where this. shell killed five civilians. on the syrian side, the rebels control the border post which makes them a target. at the u.n. security council, the paralysis caused by the desire of france, britain and america, to remove the regime in russia and china cost support of it means a struggle to release a statement. >> this is a great concern. turkey is a core ally of the united states and this sort of cross border military activity is very destabilizing and must be stopped. >> syria takes seriously the vote in turkey

decision by turkey today it is it is representatives. how consecutive turkish governments machine very aggressive foreign policy objectives we had last year and this year turkish government threaten in the republic of cyprus governments because the cypriot government found natural oil and gas reserves in it's in gigs crucifixion i'm excited and so i think today's more bouts of peace in certain sections of search sites it's more symbolic but on a war in notes it demonstrates once again how to answer because governments push use aggressively for policy objectives we've also seen this kind of things in recent history books as well the not forgetting of course turkey making a similar move regarding northern iraq didn't it were its military hunted for kurdish militants how different is that from what syria is doing i pursue in suspected terrorists over the turkish border while the syrian government being the only legitimate administration in syria has every rights of the shoe terrorists on its territory however there's a difference issues ter

oh well turkey is not alone acting turkey is a nato member state and turkey is not acting without a say or conference with washington and berlin and that's why it's so dangerous the situation at the moment and that's why we as a left party say we do not want. to and we do not want that the berlin government is backing such an aggressive. foreign policy of turkey right german and the dandelion thank you very much indeed for your time your work. time now for business and there is a new twist in a long lasting dispute around the world's top nickel producer. yeah. the main shareholders we are talking about nicole of course they've reportedly started a fresh round of negotiations to find a way out of their tensions the russian billionaires that are passed. only around a quarter of the company and during the years they keep on arguing over divisions of management over the now comes the day use paper says to come up with a new shareholder agreement there are lots of speculations of a potential outcome for example full time to buy additional shares in the company that it could invite a new inde

she insisted that turkey -- that the eu is being fair to turkey. there are serious hurdles to turkey becoming a full member of the eu that go way beyond any pragmatic considerations of the euro crisis. the first one is that the monitors of the eu have just released their latest report just three weeks ago on turkey's progress or lack of progress in fulfilling the democratic requirements of the eu, and it is a devastating judgment, frankly. it particularly draws attention to the fact that it is quite routine in turkey for writers and journalists who oppose the state in anyway -- quickly -- to be imprisoned, and there is a further huge obstacle for turkey right at the moment, and that is that he also said on his visit that he could not recognize what he calls southern cyprus. the republic of cyprus is a full eu member, and it happens to hold at the moment the rotating presidency of the eu. >> thanks very much for that analysis. in syria, the regime has boosted air strikes in recent days in a bid to win back territory lost to the rebels. >> there is r

taking military action by syria by with turkey i should say opens the pandora's box. kurdish demands for a separate state that the kurds say to themselves or certain kurdish parties say to themselves if the turkish government can act in syria to change the boundaries on the borders in the middle east. we too can demand the changing of the borders in syria as a clue to include the kurdish state. so this is the kind of blowback that mr airline gets when he rolls and sell in illegal military action across international borders that turkey or turkey or it for the rebels also begs the question why it's no secret that islamised are the driving force in the anti assad rebellion does turkey a secular state need an islamist regime on its border. the the the turks and all the other countries involved in this friends of syria and in this insurgency war in against syria really need to stop their militant their bellicose actions there is the united nations six point peace plan for syria which. which will bring about peace through negotiations dialogue and reconciliation i don't th

turkey suffers thousand strong antiwar protests as activists accuse the government of stoking tensions with syria by approving cross border military action. plans in syria rebels threaten to actually cued forty eight iranian hostages to within two days the us that a government does not comply with their demands and really captured opposition fighters. thousands of islam as a call for change in the jordanian capital amman as part of a massive rally that threatens to shuttle the solid monarchy. and italy's the biggest cities turning into a conflict zone with student classroom with fleas and the latest show of fury in the dead ridden e.u. . there was already a live from moscow with me tom would say we start off in syria where the free syrian army says in two days they could start executing forty eight you runyan pull groups they kidnapped in august the thread would be carried out of the syrian regime does not fulfill demands to release rebel fighters and stop shelling john laughland from the paris base in-situ job democracy and corporation says the should lead the world to the nature of t

of the town from syrian territory on wednesday meanwhile tension on the border is worsening with turkey renewing its retaliatory shelling of its war torn neighbor for a second day artie's middle east correspondent paula slayer brings us more. paula what exactly does the turkish parliament's decision mean. well as expected the took his parliament has voted overwhelmingly in favor of military operations in syria what this does mean is that it now has given the green light for crossing the border operations the deputy took his prime minister though has gone on record saying this is not a declaration of war but it certainly is sending out messages we also. hearing from turkish officials that they are complaining that they have still not received a formal apology or explanation for the mortar that was fired from syrian territory and which landed in turkey on wednesday now while this meeting of the parliament was being held in the capital city of vancouver outside antiwar protesters were taunting slogans such as no to wall the syrian brothers used tear gas to disperse this crowd of antiwar de

other hand i believe turkey has everything to gain by antagonizing syria. as i said. the turks are part of a game plan by the west to overthrow the regime in syria and in that way use syria as a stepping stone towards levanon and iraq and eventually russia and china the long term game plan is for the west gain control of all of middle eastern and central asian oil and to maintain the head you will win the of the united states over the whole world. now very briefly i can understand that it grounded the plane to prevent the militarization of the conflict what role do you think turkey plays in the syrian conflict as i said turkey is a cat's paw for nato and it's recklessly raising tensions here that in order to prepare the ground for a military intervention what turkey should be doing is defusing the situation it should be sticking it keeping its no out of the internal affairs of the syrian neighbor it should be doing what all the countries of the world should be doing and that is supporting the six point united nations six point peace plan for syria our i tho

i mean of course i mean i think i believe that turkey's turkey's official position of backing the opposition and not only to similar position but also the b d m a military wing of the opposition i mean created a huge risk for for turkey disses for sure but but i don't think turkish government specifically wants to enter renewed unilaterally to syria they know that the risk is high if they go there unilaterally although they want a regime change in syria i don't think they really want to go on to do it but. i personally believe that this turkish government position has sort of a risk to this sort of this sort of unfortunate events in the border all right. here is our own kyra bureau chief of june period turkish daily newspaper he interviewed president assad in july and joins our t. thank you for your time. well turkey turns to the world's most powerful bodies for consultation and considers whether to launch a cross border military operation moscow calls on the two sides to calm tempers more on that from our thomas. russia no foreign minister sergey lavrov that spoke at a press conference in p

syrian insurgency they have provided sanctuary some sort of turkey from turkey go with the weapons that i'm different here and i mean all of the rebel groups them in tears to join for not putting all of your sink you did you had east across from talking to syria there is training bases there logistical bases command and control centers of the rebels inside turkey so really he my son are realistic but of course i think it does have to be the major powers. they have to push for such a proposal to work and i don't mean not just russia or china members permanent members of the security council the united states because believe me well that's my opinion at least if turkey what turkey has done best for us because it has the approval of the obama administration if the united states tells turkey to cooperate then do it if united states which i suspect the obama administration runs the assad government to follow and it's like to be supporting insurgent insurgency if washington doesn't tell turkey a step to plan to respect it even if they say yes do it then it won't work let's leave it right ther

turkey is what it wants to get in desperately to the e.u. and turkey also wants to become the hub of a proposed new oil and gas pipeline running from the middle east into southern europe turkey has everything to gain by antagonizing syria a dangerous game and when you on leash the dogs of war you never know if those dogs are going to by the enemy or come back to bite you to other international news now the japanese company which owns the fukushima nuclear power plant has admitted for the first time that the meltdown could have been avoided tepco said that the facility needed safety improvements long before last year's to sasser which was triggered by a huge earthquake and tsunami it added that concerns of political economic and legal consequences were behind the inaction and also fear provoking strong anti-nuclear sentiment. for people saudis are for your own actuary want more people signed up for medicare advantage what they're saying you know what is this right i don't know this this right this is i know you're under a lot of duress to mak

." >> turkey's retaliation against syria continues. a response after five turks died in the syrian attack across the border. a burial takes place and nato condemns the assad regime. welcome to gmt. david eades. coming up, with an audience of 50 million to impress, as romney gained ground on obama in the first of the televised presidential debates? >> it is not moral for my generation to keep spending more than we take in, knowing those burdens of will be passed on to the next generation. >> i promised i would fight every single day on behalf of the american people, the middle class, and all those striving to get into the middle class. kept that promise. >> also -- ♪ ♪ you know i love you >> 50 years since the beatles released their first single. it's midday in london, 7:00 in the morning in washington, 2:00 in the afternoon in turkey where the parliament is in an emergency session over a bill of the rise across borders military operations in syria. turkey has already retaliated to the mortar attack that killed five people in a border t

turkey hadn't put it on display. we have the word of the turk yirk prime minister that the cargo was objectionable. some have tried to fill in the blanks there. one newspaper says 10 containers were confiscated. but the director of syrian arab airlines, the airline that had to stop says that all the cargo was legal, and he wants it back. >> and james, now this flight to damascus took off in moscow. clearly the implication that russia in involved. that's going to complicate what's already an awful situation at the u.n. security council isn't it? >> that will make things a lot more difficult. turkey and syria, we pretty much know that relationship. there is no relationship. but now if this country, turkey, has to start having a difficult relationship with russia, i think that will tremendously complicate international diplomacy. earlier today russia's prime minister was adamant that it needed an explanation about what had happened. we're told that there's been no particular communication so far between those capitols.

dominated newspaper headlines in turkey.nkara says it had information the aircraft was carrying military equipment and that it had no alternative but to force the plane to land. the incident has further increased tensions between damascus and ankara, but the turkish prime minister is unapologetic, saying if the plan -- the plane had not been intercepted, the cargo would have reached syria's defense ministry. moscow has accused turkey of endangering the lives of the russian citizens who were passengers on the plane. syria has also condemned turkey's actions. >> what happened could be described as piracy. turkish air piracy against a civilian syrian plane on a regular flight from moscow to damascus. >> these suspicious cargo was confiscated. after several hours, the plane was allowed to finish its journey to damascus. ankara has now told turkish airlines not to fly planes through syrian airspace, saying it is too dangerous. >> for more on this, we go live to thomas on the line for us from istanbul. put this incident into persp

russia says turkey endangered russian lives after war jets intercepted a syrian passenger plane flying from moscow all suspicion that it was carrying weapons to denounce cuts. they pointed their guns at the i'm going to put this in the grown those on board the plane tell r t they were threatened and humiliated by turkish authorities during the stop the nun caught up with. a yemeni security official working for the us embassy is assassinated in the capital in the latest incident signaling i'll call it is on the rise in the region. at the bitter blow to struggling spain where staggering unemployment mounting debt and nationwide desperation lead to another downgrade. and welcome to our team where we are on screen and online twenty four hours a day karen. passengers on board a syrian plane forced to land an al qaida have told r.t. they were humiliated and threatened by turkish security forces have sixteen fighter jets intercepted the flight from moscow bound for damascus which was carrying thirty seven people many of them russian artie's medina cochon of all has the details. russia's forei

this is sort of stage one turkey has done what it thought was necessary for or for what happened you know this time was different the assad regime has before struck in turkey but it was syrian refugee camps there actually one point injuring at least if not killing one this time when and killed civilians only took their civilians it was a military. facility and it wasn't the syrians on the other side. to quickly move to ensure the those positions are fired as civilians were fired back at and i think turks are right now would have very tough spot i mean i think they've sacrificed more than anyone to help the syrian people at this point and in the village of seeing the spillover that's coming from the regimes guns what about the fact that turkey is a member of nato is this going to kind of instigate an international response to anything at all well you know community will they invoked article four didn't invoke article five and you are not planning on booking article five of these not for now unless they do that if they do that then the nato will have. can not lie and second this is the

russia saying that the turkey's accidents endangered the safety of passengers on that plane turkey for its part says that it warned the plane not to enter turkish airspace warnings which were ignored witnesses inside the plane once it was on the ground on the airport in ankara described how turkish security services entered the plane after the crew and began their search and one flight engineer but r.t. managed to talk to spoke of how in his view the turkish or for a tease used excessive force. by the. turkish authorities told us they wanted to take all the boxes out when we said that it was not a problem we just needed to see a warrant they said no first we will unload the boxes i insisted that we needed to see a warrant they left and came back in an hour with ten armed soldiers they pointed their guns at the hangup first put us on the ground then they drove us back to the plane into vehicle. the plane was kept on the grounds for eight hours was eventually released and continued its flight on to damascus however there are concerns primarily about how this feeds into the very tense sit

about whether it's in turkey or in, say, cairo. the army is marginalized. >> rose: we continue this evening with the great pianist long long. >> being a pianist has always been a dream so i was following my dreams. but when i was 17 years old i was a replacement for a wonderful pianist and i performed the tchaikovsky piano concerto number one and i thought, wow. >> rose: and we conclude with arnie glipl cher, the legendary art dealer at the pace gallery. >> agnes martin was at the turn of the century. we had pop art happening and the end of abstract impressionism happening and the beginning of minimalism. many people call martin the beginning of minimalism, she's the end of abstract expressionism because there is brush work, there is a very sensitive application by hand. minimalism sought to get rid of all possible human marks on the canvas. >> rose: literature, music, and art when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: orhan pamuk is here, the nobe

turkey of course is no stranger to the kurdish problem just overnight turkey's jets were firing at kurdish products in northern iraq so here too you have a situation where turkey in its assistance to the rebels to fight assad is now having to fight we could see and seen in this blatant discrimination in the problem as moral. paul thanks very much indeed for bringing us this update our disposal your reporting there. to other news now as it fights a d. printing recession the british government is looking for a new ways to slash its spanning one of the now i'm ten billion more pounds and welfare cuts made on an already growing wave of discontent and artie's lower emmet reports it's the poorest families find themselves in the firing line. for millions of children every year hunger is a death sentence this is save the children's usual campaign feeding starving youngsters in africa but times have changed and for the first time in its ninety three year history the charity has launched a major fundraising campaign here in britain and. it's a watershed moment as recession hits the u.k.'s poorest ch