requires money and it requires going up against a very powerful country in saudi arabia exactly thinking that saudi arabia and turkey has strong relationships not only in politics but also in the economy as well because thinking about the gulf investments in turkey saudi arabia has the biggest share so and it doesn't it didn't happen like in the last 2 decades it goes much beyond like in 1950 s. and sixty's they are active in the banking industry they are active in business and they have a wealth funds and in turkey and besides that saudi arabia is the whole it is a holy. country. for muslims and there are millions of turkish people who call to program to hide in saudi arabia this is also another issue and that's why turkey has to be very careful while conducting these diplomatic. dispute says well because turkish diplomats in saudi arabia if they are in danger must think about mecca or maybe now to hold the sites for the mist and that will be a very big problem that's why turkey has tried to take it slow but try to put an international pressure over saudi arabia but that the end of the day. mohamed bin sound man cl

build a base therbuilta base there bei arabia and israel and turkey are allies that they are very insincere and the only reason trump made the deal is because turkey, saudi arabia and israel they have to trump towers in israel and saudi arabia. >> caller: [inaudible] what is the difference between protection -- >> host: i think that you are talking about the impeachment inquiry but let's stick toth the topic, what are you watching for next? >> guest: with the northeast, it is possible that the regime would decide to support the kurdish counter offensive and seek to limit us apart from the regime to the kurds in order to prevent this from escalating further. regardless what russia tries to broker in the fight against. as i t mentioned earlier, they d invaded twice before, so they have an additional level of control in the far northwest. i mention this because they've asked the regime for support not only to defend the northeast, but to take the war to turkey in the north west as well. i don't expect they want that escalation in the northwest and they seek to contain the scope and scale of the fighting but the regime does have the ability to make its own d

i was a columnist for the washington post after he was murdered saudi arabia initially hampered turkey's efforts to investigate but eventually riyadh admitted she had died in the concert at the state television spoke of an argument that had were going out with shock she being killed in the in suing brawl. but the consulate building had been bugged by turkish intelligence that meant ankara had audiobook orderings of exactly what happened turkey also released c.c.t.v. footage of 15 saudi government agents writing in the stumble on the day of the killing and leaving just hours later among them a top advisor to saudi crown prince mohammed bin salmen despite the smiles the crown prince was coming under growing pressure as western allies asked questions in salman denied all involvement in the killing claiming wrote elements instead riyadh put 11 people on trial for the murder but a un inquiry later found what it called credible evidence linking the crown prince to the killing a u.n. official behind that report told the w riyadh's claim that it was a rogue operation doesn't hold water. or is a

if the russians decide in the future to step in trying to mend fences between turkey syria turkey saudi arabia turkey and the u.a.e. is that fine from a turkish perspective i think i can say that turkey is in the region has for more than 1000 years and he is neighboring facing forward to divest for more than again want doesn't here so i don't say that turkey bill turning to face to russia turn its face to us turkey is towards the space and building care policy in the relationship with the best but the same time in the relation with russia but at the same time we thought not up in relation with all kind of asian countries and middle east thank you that does not mean that there is turning its face completely due to the russia but after the cold war you know that there are many different things that are worse emerging or on a limb as this question to puzzle no with with the russians. interesting the opec plus back 2016 with saudi arabia where they have become very crucial in. controlling the output of oil and the russian using and as you to replace the americans in the middle east. well russia do

russians decide in the future to step in trying to mend fences between turkey address syria turkey saudi arabia turkey and the u.a.e. is that fine from a turkish perspective i think i can say that turkey is in the region has for more than 1000 years and he is neighboring facing forward to divest for more than again 1000 years so i don't say that turkey veal turning to face to russia turn into space to turkey is towards the space and building policy in the relationship with the best but the same time in the relation with russia but at the same time we thought not up in relation with all kind of asian countries and middle east thank you that does not mean that there is turning its face completely due to the russia but after the cold war you know that there are merely different if they are worse emerge or on a limb a question to pummel no with with the russians. into the opec plus the 2016 with saudi arabia where they have become very crucial in. controlling the output of oil and the russian using and as you to replace the americans in the middle east. well russia does see itself as a kind deaf su

he wants to push he wants there to be an international push that it is not in fact about a turkey saudi arabia bilateral arrangement or discussion he also said that he separates those who killed jamal from the leadership in saudi arabia. how do you feel when that do you do you separate them like that. jani i think what i read mr president's op ed by self i believe it's a very strong article and it's a piece that summarizes the message that turkey wanted to give all the way along i'm at the same point in the past media asked me what i meant by saying saudi arabia should be held accountable in this case and i want to say here again when we are asking for justice to be done for jamal we are actually asking that the people who committed this crime be put on trial not our people of saudi arabia even though the people who committed this crime are from saudi arabia and they do not represent all the people of saudi arabia the whole country and we want these specific people to be put on trial and punished and them to be responsible for this murder this does not include all the people of saudi arabia an

you would think they should make things easier because you didn't with one man, but turkey is not saudi arabia. turkey is that egypt. despite the centralization of power and authoritarianism, public opinion and elections to match the turkey. you were to do with the public that is deeply anti-american. they think the u.s. is in decline and it has become irrelevant. you combine that very anti-american public opinion with a very personalized system in which there is no one that can put the brakes on erdogan worst instinct. so you get a turkey where erdogan worldview and is electoral considerations becomes decisive in foreign policymaking. the second thing i want to talk about is the change in turkish mr. kirk the turkish military is been an asset in this relationship. despite the very marginals, pro-russia military it's always been very tornado, very pro-united states and it was this very strong actor that pulled the relationship from the brink during difficult times. but now that military has become very ideological. just recently i saw turkish soldiers on the way to syria. they were flashing fa

was being killed and cut and he was, that's impossible, how, in this time, in istanbul, in turkey by saudi arabiaul, inside an embassy building with diplomatic immunity put turkey on the spot. no—one from the turkish government was prepared to speak to us, but osman sert, a former ministerial advisor, knows how the political machine works. it's a very huge blow on turkey. first, the sovereignty, you cannot do this on its very prominent city. secondly, as a political blow. turkey is not a safe haven for anyone. saudi arabia, or any kind of country, you can come and do something and that's a very, you know, humiliating. another team of saudis came to the consulate claiming to investigate what had happened to jamal. turkish police weren't allowed in until two weeks after the murder. there was nothing there, not even dna evidence of mr khashoggi having been there. the only logical conclusion is that the place was thoroughly, forensically cleaned. first, the saudis denied everything, then claimed jamal had died in a fist fight in the consulate. so, they didn't admit that they'd done it? no, they didn'

saudi arabia and israel and turkey are two face did -- faced allies. they are very insincere. israel saudi arabia, and , you have two trump towers in turkey and israel and saudi arabia, he will not betray them. too bad the kurds cannot have an invitation to build one. germantown, maryland, democratic caller. caller: i want to be pretty quick. sure which, house or saide, jamie jordan, he -- a right to protection but not anonymity. i wish i would have asked the first lady on their, what is the difference between protection and anonymity? host: i think you are talking about the impeachment inquiry. we were return to that and a minute. what are you watching for next? guest: we need to watch what deal president erdogan cuts with the russians for the northeast. it is possible the assad regime will support the syrian kurdish ypg and a counteroffensive against turkey. i think turkey will seek to limit that support from the kurds to prevent this from escalating. we will see what russia is willing to offer turkey. i am watching to see whether the assad regime makes its own decision, rega

prisons add ons rhetorical seem to be soft and with regard to saudi arabia he underlines that this is not a bilateral issue between turkey and saudi arabia but an international issue in terms of justice and diplomacy and he underlines that kingson mom and selma's loyal subjects are different than those people who murdered jamal khashoggi and president are dong calls them as thugs in his opinion piece another thing he underlined is that the transparency because he believes the court proceedings in saudi arabia is not transparent and there is no public access to the trials and that's why he insists the trials the trials are fair in saudi arabia and the perpetrators are subject to the necessary punishment. protesters are back on the streets of haiti's capital port au prince demanding the resignation of the president driven in moyes the marches have once again turned violent as protesters set fire to tires and clashed with police in the streets of the capital there is widespread anger about alleged government corruption spiraling inflation and fuel shortages let's go live now to mine whether apple logo is in the capital port

communities in iraq and kurds and driven supported by the regional power players such as iran turkey and saudi arabia to push for their agendas and interests in iraq so i think we should focus on the basics of the issues in iraq which is water scarcity security and on employability sectarianism and then we could focus on the secondary issues such as how to improve it and develop better relationships or political institutional relationships between the region renard and saw in london is there a big chance here that these demonstrations will carry on and it will carry on being this terribly combustible situation if only because i mean despite closing down the internet pulling the plug the internet or not doesn't really matter the protests have no clear leaders there's nobody running the demonstrations who in a year or 2 we might reconvene and talk about as being a potential politician. yes clearly these protests again aren't new they're part of this continuous sort of sense of voice and grievance and disillusionment that iraqis have they don't believe the political process works for them they don't wan

in putting into gear the political process we have very close working car tax with iran turkey israel saudi arabia jordan and other countries of the middle east. the united states colleagues i think you would agree. that kind of landscape a very complicated landscape of many countries with many emotions in attitudes towards each other. which you couldn't imagine that was possible but now it's a fact we made it through and we we think that the settlement of this crisis can be a model. but i still house all regional problems of different regime and use its. diplomacy we work. in syria because we were confronted with attempts to create. terrorists. because a state. that was an army of terrorists and this is not an exaggeration it was a real army of terrorists. there are many chronic problems and crisis in the world some say they are entangled and there is. no single approach to some of them but it's time to be creative and it comes to syria russia and its partners we couldn't made all of it alone we work together hand in hand. comply with international law. respecting the sovereignty and guided by th

he was murdered and dismembered by saudi agents in istanbul turkey just one year on there has still been no justice from saudi arabia for the washington post journalist jamal khashoggi plus we are human we have people if someone makes a mistake one time we should use lethal. force in countries do about citizens who supported islamic state in syria and now want to go home. we find out why cause of our decided to allow this woman and others like her to return. our brian thomas great to have you with us hundreds of people in hong kong are staging a sit in at a school to protest against the use of live ammunition by police at a demonstration yesterday police shot and injured a teenager after he allegedly tried to attack them with a pole now this happened during one of the most violent days and months of pro-democracy protests more than $100.00 people were injured. nearly 200 people arrested. in what's become a familiar pattern tuesday's peaceful gathering quickly descended into violence police fired tear gas into the crowd sparking clashes that flared up across the city then another escalation a police officer is filmed

even the imperfect ones who sometimes behave irrationally and dangerous as both saudi arabia and turkey have recently. when it looked like president trump would withdraw from syria at beginning of the year, 70 senators joined in warning of the risk of precipitously withdrawing from syria or afghanistan. the veto proved majority vote for my amendment to s-1 strengthening american security in the middle east act, demonstrated strong and bipartisan appreciation for security interest in the region. the senate spoke clearly and said we must ensure we have set the conditions for an enduring defeat of the terrorists before any withdrawal. regrettably, many of the democratic senators running for president, along with my friend the democratic leader, parted with this bipartisan consensus and voted against this amendment. so i hope those aspiring commanders-in-chief asked to reconcile criticism of the administration today with their vote just a few months ago. maybe they will even be asked on the debate stage this very evening. i'm heartened to hear vice president mike pence will lead delegation

you would think thatma this would make things easier because you are dealing with one man turkey isn't saudi arabia or egypt. despite the centralization of power and authoritarianism and popular opinion, the election still matters to turkey and you are dealing with a public that is deeply anti-american. the things the u.s. is in decline and irrelevant so you combine that opinion with a very personalized system in which there is no one that can put the brakes so you get turkey where the worldview and electoral considerations become decisive in the foreign policymaking and the second thing i want to talk about this the change in the turkish military. historically it has been set up in thiss relationship. it's been despite the very marginal pro- russia military it's always been very pro- nato, pro- united states and it was a very strong actor that hold the relationship from the ranks during these difficult times. but now, it's become very ideological. just recently, there were turkish soldiers on their way to syria and they were flushing party signs and some of them said they were going to the land wh

that kind of international trial to take place you have to remember that turkey also wishes to maintain relations with saudi arabia thousands of its citizens travel to the harsh each year in fact turkey sells arms to saudi arabia nothing like as much as the united states and the u.k. and others do but clearly there are commercial relationships all around the world added to that the fact that the president trump has looked at potential alternatives to the crown prince and he hasn't found any that he thinks would be capable of taking over not least because some of them are under house arrest ok jonathan rugman afraid you will have to leave it there but thanks very much indeed for joining us on al-jazeera. let's bring you some breaking news now at least one protester has been killed in iraq during another round of nationwide protests on weapons day police in baghdad used my brains to disperse protesters leaving one dead and 6 wins it we're bringing you live pictures now from baghdad of the situation there on choose iraq's prime minister had promised an inquiry following clashes at mass rallies that left 3 dead and 20

like the u.s., germany, france and japan, they write will be smaller than those of china, turkey, saudi arabia. the implications for the world are of course serious, a powerful argument for democracy has always been accountable governance and economic development go hand in hand. for leaders wavering on whether to become more open and citizens decide what kind of society they hope to build, the appeal of democracy has always been tied in part to its ability to deliver for people's quality of life and economic well-being. china's will document economic success combined with the global awareness of the growing inequality inside democracies has complicated this long-standing argument. we do not yet know how aggressive beijing will become in trying to use its leverage and its assistance be on its borders to nudge countries on the fence, or democracies that are backsliding, anymore repressive direction. we do not know whether they deem it in their interest to, to paraphrase a former american president, make the world safe for autocracy and authoritarianism. we don't know if that is their aim. durin

filled every single vacuum in all of our uncomfortable allies, right, if you want to call turkey and saudi arabiaomfortable allies. they're basically like hedge fund managers. they're going, well, i got to hedge my bet. america? i'm going to hedge my bet. >> well, that's why richard engel was quoting the general in the same way. and i think that is a piece of why the reaction from republicans to what -- what president -- president's conversation with turkey and president's actions with regard to turkey and the kurds was so strong. because all of the -- many of the other things that the president has done are -- look bad, feel bad, are upsetting. this one has real consequences. real consequences, exactly, that can't be undone in a very easy way. can't be overturned by a court or stopped by a court. it's a tragedy and they know it. >> michael steele, this is the opposite of the definition of american exceptionalism. i remember when that phrase used to matter to a lot of people in this town. that is, to me, what's striking. there is a lot of republicans in this town, that phrase means something. and

communities in iraq and kurds and driven supported by the regional power players such as iran turkey and saudi arabia to push for their agendas and interests in iraq so i think we should focus on the basics of the issues in iraq which is water scarcity security and on employability sectarianism and then we could focus on the secondary issues such as how to improve it and develop better relationships or political institutional relationships between the region renard and saw in london is there a big chance here that these demonstrations will carry on and it will carry on being this terribly combustible situation if only because i mean despite closing down the internet pulling the plug of the internet or not doesn't really matter the protests have no clear leaders there's nobody running the demonstrations who in a year or 2 we might reconvene and talk about as being a potential politician. yes clearly these protests again aren't new they're part of this continuous sort of sense of voice and grievance and disillusionment that iraqis have they don't believe the political process works for them they don't

whether it's china getting much more repressive, put it following as usual, but hungary and turkey and saudi arabia and other tendencies, obviously populism and nationalism are on the rise, i don't think that's permanent but it's depressing. we have seen a few flickers lately around the world that maybe someone of a comeback, the people who want freedom have not given up, you see it in turkey, you see in hungary, you see the even in the soviet union, hong kong is a master magic example, it's about other issues as well, housing and inequality, corruption, but essentially hong kong wants to be hong kong and they want freedom. now the agreement that the british made with the chinese on the one hand, absolutely guaranteed civil liberties but it was a little vague or on elections, by the way democracies more than elections, it is freedom of press, independent judiciary and so on, so these civil liberties have been eroded, it started off relatively well with china and hong kong, and one country two systems but that has been eroding, the censorship in the press, rule of laws are failing on the edges, the

communities in iraq and kurds and driven supported by the regional power players such as iran turkey and saudi arabia to push for their agendas and interests in iraq so i think we should focus on the basics of the issues in iraq which is water scarcity security and on employability sectarianism and then we could focus on the secondary issues such as how to improve it and develop better relationships or political institutional relationships between the region renard and saw in london is there a big chance here that these demonstrations will carry on and it will carry on being this terribly combustible situation if only because i mean despite closing down the internet pulling the plug the internet or not doesn't really matter the protests have no clear leaders there's nobody running the demonstrations who in a year or 2 we might reconvene and talk about as being a potential politician. yes clearly these protests again aren't new they're part of this continuous sort of sense of voice and grievance and disillusionment that iraqis have they don't believe the political process works for them they don't wan

happened but also keep in mind turkish saudi relations are terrible right i mean they're completely locking horns in the gulf with turkey and qatar together and saudi arabia together with the emirates and egypt and president hu and i think has great concern about egyptian politics and president el-sisi how he came to power so you know it's as if the turkish government president everyone is saying this shouldn't make our relationship much worse you broke the rules we know you did it let's find a way to move on but this was not good why can't the u.s. do at least that and should you say you broke the rules and maybe this is a good point to bring up and with you as a diplomat you may have a thought on this the fact that it happens and this was brought up from day one it happened inside the saudi consulate yeah but that saudi consulate is hosted by tookie and there is this massive grey area which i don't feel has really been cleared up any more yeah absolutely i mean it seems pretty clear to me under the vienna convention that that's utterly unacceptable i mean forget about the fact it was an atrocity and disgusting crime you are not allowed as the hosted cou

thousands political Ãbeing locked up in places like turkey and egypt and saudi arabia these are supposedly. allies and have no one to speak to Ãspeak for them because america doesn't do anything about civil rights are human rights. we vanished from the human ngrights playing field. in saudi arabia, in fact, their leadership fell so emboldened by trump's invasion of brutal strongmen that they kidnapped an american resident who is critical of the saudi regime. they chopped into pieces and then got rid of the body parts. the doctor piling up in the middle east the response from the united states with jamal khashoggi's murder was was a visit to riyadh by the american secretary of state for a smiling photo up to make sure every foreign leader in every corner of the world recognize human rights abuses will be forgiven pretty immediately by this new american regime. elsewhere in the middle east, i don't know if i can just keep piling more dots but elsewhere in the middle east things are falling apart fast due mostly to the trump administration's incompetence. it started with nonsensical fracture

france, and japan they write will be smaller than those of autocracies like china, russia, turkey, and saudi arabia. the implications of the world are serious. a powerful argument for democracy has always in that accountable governance and economic development go hand in hand. for leader is wavering on whether to become more open and citizens deciding on what society they hope to build, the appeal of democracy has been tied in part to its ability to deliver for peoples quality of life and economic well-being. onna's well-documented game -- economic success combined with a global awareness of inequality inside democracies have complicated this long-standing argument. all of this said, we do not yet know how aggressive japan -- beijing will become in trying to use its leverage and assistance beyond its borders to nudge countries on the fence or democracies that are backsliding in a more repressive direction. we do not know whether they deem it in their interest to, to paraphrase a former american a myth -- make a world safe for authoritarianism and ought secretary and is him. i sell competing impulse

is most saudi arabia and turkey have recently. but it looks like president trump would withdraw from syria at the beginning of the year, 70 senators jointed warning of the risk of participants withdrawing from syria or afghanistan. the vetoproof the majority wrote s1 to strengthening the security act. demonstrated bipartisan appreciation for enduring security interest. in the region. the senate spoke clearly and said that we must ensure that we have conditions for the terrace before any withdrawal. blregrettably, monday of the democratic senators, running for president, parted with this bipartisan consensus and voted against this amendment. so i hope those aspiring for matters in c chief explain how they reconcile their criticism with red menstruation today with their votes just a few months ago. maybe billy would be asked, on the debate stage this very evening. i am heartened to hear the vice president of finance will soon lkad a delegation to begin immediate talks of turkey. to end this bounds. i expect the turkey allies to be l

it is china getting much more repressive, putin following his usual act, but hungary and turkey, and saudi arabia, and other tendencies, obviously, populism and nationalism, are on the rise in democracies, somewhat under tree. i don't think that is permanent but it is depressing. we have seen a few flickers lately around the world that may be somewhat of a comeback, to people who warrant freedom have not given up, want freedom have not given up. you see it in turkey. you see it in hun glare gather. you see it even in the soviet union in a limited scale obviously. but hong kong is the most dramatic example. it is about other issues as well. housing and inequality. corruption. but it is essentially, hong gkog wants to be hong kong and not another chinese city and they want freedom. now the agreement that the british made with the chinese on the one hand, absolutely guarantees civil liberties, but it was a little vaguer on elections. by the way, democracy is more than elections. it's the freedom of the press, independent judiciary, and so on. so these civil liberties have been eroded over, it starte

saudi arabia. you've been talking to saudi leaders about turkey's actions and this is one of the strongest allies in the region. and what is saudi arabia, what are the leaders this say iing about this situation in northern syria? >> well, fred, they're just as alarmed as so many others around the region. around the globe here. frank lyric about what's taking place in northern syria. and this turkish action. the saudi arabian government has been extremely critical of t turkey's actions describing it as an illegal invasion. at the same time, they're very reluctant to criticize washington's policy on this issue. they know the united states and president trump in particular is is their most important ally and remains a strong ally despite descent in the u.s. congress perhaps and they're reluctant to criticize what he is doing. when i met the minister of state of affairs for saudi arabia today, i tried to get him to you know, to talk to me about what he felt about whashington was doing with its kurdish alloys. take a listen. you condemned the turkish operation there and that kurds are fighting this overw

statesend, the united has allowed for regional actors, saudi arabia, iran, turkey, and israel, have each gained an increasingly dominant position on the middle eastern stage. competition has gradually extended to a much broader array of players then in the past. saudi arabia and iran, for instance, is having an impact where the two are fighting a proxy war, especially in yemen. ability toturkey's close partnerships with different players has expanded on kara -- ankara's network of allies in the arab world. its reach, its influence, in allowing ankara to push its ambitions. on the other end, more importantly, american troops have scaled-down engagement, making way for russia. potentially, it creates new space for china. the roles oferline russia, china, and operational actors in the middle east. i now have the pleasure to the director for the studies atcultural the middle east institute. a call between donald trump and -- announced partial withdrawal of u.s. troops on the northern side of syria. and trump's endorsement of turkish plans to send their military force in the region, view of t

have russia, iran, saudi arabia, uae and now russia, uae and the turkey problem. tually becoming both an economic and political battle. you have also got huge influence from china coming through, the amount of money they have invested in the uae and in saudi arabia, it is also very closely linked with networks to avoid sanctions on iran, financial networks so there is a lot going on in this space that this is just scratching the surface. and the gulf news looking at the impressive high level meetings that we re impressive high level meetings that were taking place, discussions of trade, environment sustainability, et cetera. it is something we have to keep an eye on. absolutely. we can't — like we can't not watch what is going on. it is actually a fault line at the moment. we used to talk about north— north, south— south trade. the way in which the emerging economies were regenerating themselves. now what we are seeing is quite a big shift between trade actually going on s — west, east— east lines, and it is enabled, through the us military withdrawal to some exten

used to support turkey against the pkk, how u.s., saudi arabia, and turkey on natural alliance and now we're turning to the natural pattern of it seems very different from the cold war but would any of you want to elaborate or respond to his claims? >> yes. i debated mike on this in new york. mike is an old bush white house colleague of mine. i spent a lot of time in the middle east in the last decade, and the idea of an israel turkey saudi alliance i think is very far-fetched. david talked to the israelis about erdogan, talk to the saudis about erdogan, that would be a very, that like a real square peg round whole problem i just don't think that's realistic. i will leave it there. >> next question. >> i am with the center for security policy. we have all heard president erdogan talking, declining over the the last several years his -- declaring over the the last several years his intent to reconquer lands of the ottoman empire. where would you all expect to see them turn next? do you think, do it if you think that erdogan has his sights set in what else besides northeastern syria? >>

makes you wonder what other schemes are going on with other countries, like perhaps russia, saudi arabia, turkey, north korea. you know, we're focused on this, but the president certainly priors with russia, so it's easy to wonder what's going on with these officials. >> we're learning the timeline could go closer to the end of the year, maybe more, who knows, as we wait to see what happens. how concerned are you about the timing? >> we want to make sure the president gets a fair hearing, and even the people who confess to crimes in america get a fair hearing. he could make this go faster and send people rather than refuse to have them come in. but we'll get a fair hearing. honestly, brianna, i'm on the intelligence committee, the intel committee, the fair -- >> who do you want to hear from? >> i'll leave that to our chairman. we've heard from the president. the most important facts come out at the end of an investigation. here this investigation starts with this call record where the president in his own words ask the ukranians to investigate his political opponent. that may be the bombshell he

economic effort they have a tremendous 2nd what i see happening here is that turkey is really in competition with saudi arabia. in this in this magical competition and that now i mean again there's a lot of layers on the same and this is worse than the layers of an onion. definitely keep up because it's a big important story i'm sure and like you said it's changing the face of the by the ira spy the hour like we've always a pleasure thanks so much for coming on thank you. way back in 7980 a little volcano known as the suv vs erupted destroying cities like pompei in herculaneum it was then herculaneum some 2000 years later that archaeologists and 1800 up higher e are scrolls that were carbon a. just by the volcanic volcanoes eruption because of that it's meant impossible to on the role of the scrolls and read them without destroying them well now an international team of researchers have discovered a way to digitally on ravel the scrolls using a technique that accelerates electrons to near 0 light speed creating light from infrared through the visible range and ultraviolet all the way up to x. rays so this lig

saudi arabia and israel and turkey are two face did -- faced allies. they are very insincere. saudi arabia, and , you have two trump towers in turkey and israel and saudi arabia, he will not betray them. too bad the kurds cannot have an invitation to build one. germantown, maryland, democratic caller. caller: i want to be pretty quick. sure which, house or saide, jamie jordan, he -- a right to protection but not anonymity. i wish i would have asked the first lady on their, what is the difference between protection and anonymity? host: i think you are talking about the impeachment inquiry. we were return to that and a minute. what are you watching for next? guest: we need to watch what deal president erdogan cuts with the russians for the northeast. it is possible the assad regime will support the syrian kurdish ypg and a counteroffensive against turkey. i think turkey will seek to limit that support from the kurds to prevent this from escalating. we will see what russia is willing to offer turkey. i am watching to see whether the assad regime makes its own decision, regardless

middle east by playing off and balancing the three major powers in the middle east, turkey, skrash and iran and -- saudi arabiad careful not to let one get the upper hand or we'll get war. israel will start it. they won't sit there if iran gets the upper hand and destroy them. they're not going do it. then we'll get pulled in. now that's our policy, our country's policy from my standpoint. >> martha: well, think you're right. i think a lot of people would like to see any address on this from the president to get a clear handle where he stands on all of it. i think we got a taste of that today from the white house. >> there's a larger principle and that is when we make a commitment we need to keep it and have to stand with our allies. >> martha: senator kennedy, thank you very much. >>> so the president insists his efforts to impeach him is illegitimate and political. where have we heard that before? >> the reason they were going in on anybody is to get any person in there no matter how unininvolved with sexual harassment to hurt me politically. >> martha: carl rove was there back then and joins me tonight afte