. >> in 62 they are reverend turman -- >> there's a chapter in the book called "sinners and saints," two long sections, one about the prison project, and the other is about the good friday experiment, which, again, rick should have written the chapter. basically, they had 20 -- i mentioned it, yeah, yeah, but you did a follow-up study, and basically you found that most of these people still remembered -- they asked me about ronny winston -- probably the same -- i would guess it would be the same. the day, you know, profound experiences, honored them, didn't become drug addicts, some ministers, some didn't, but it had a long term positive effect on their life. it did. >> did leery and abb hoffman meet? >> i'm sure they did. yeah. leary was a government informanet in the 70s to get out of jail. some people said he didn't give real legitimate information, but i think he got a couple lawyers in trouble who worked for the underground or the left. i don't know if it was hoffman, and allen ginsberg and brought the son, jack, to denounce him. i mean, most made up over the years, but people h